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I rather prefer not to have to come back from the dead... and my experience at around level 85 is that spirit attacks will be one hit kills, and that you risk being hit by more than two...

There's players that that level beaten them by melee, without mitigation gear, and using scroll of avatars instead of scrolls of life/gods.
Plus with the most holy power possible they're dead a lot faster.

There's players that that level beaten them by melee, without mitigation gear, and using scroll of avatars instead of scrolls of life/gods.
Plus with the most holy power possible they're dead a lot faster.

If you say so... I'm unconvinced I would have been able to do it. And I find mitigation makes them pretty harmless...

132 7 You have been defeated.
132 6 The effect Penetrated Armor on Mikuru Asahina has expired.
132 5 Spreading Poison hits Mikuru Asahina for 229 damage.
132 4 Time Quake hits you for 1464 dark damage.
132 3 Mikuru Asahina casts Time Quake

Okay... that did not happen to me with Kotana... much more damage than I thought. Bewilder was on too.
only 1/3 hp left too (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

132 7 You have been defeated.
132 6 The effect Penetrated Armor on Mikuru Asahina has expired.
132 5 Spreading Poison hits Mikuru Asahina for 229 damage.
132 4 Time Quake hits you for 1464 dark damage.
132 3 Mikuru Asahina casts Time Quake

Okay... that did not happen to me with Kotana... much more damage than I thought. Bewilder was on too.
only 1/3 hp left too (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

So you neither had mitigation nor scrolls of life/gods... That also happened to me the first time I tried her...

Konata dies fast enough with the Poison+PA that you are unlikely to even see many spirit attacks, plus I think they might not be one hit KO...


But for the other three the spirit attacks are one-hit KO's in normal circumstances...
However, you should be fine if you either take some scrolls of life/gods (although I have never done this myself), of if you take mitigation gear. I can lend you mine if you want:

Average Leather Breastplate of the Spirit-ward 22.59
Fine Leather Breastplate of the Spirit-ward 15.28
Average Leather Gauntlets of the Spirit-ward 13.33
Average Leather Boots of the Spirit-ward 10.37
Fair Leather Boots of the Spirit-ward 10.18

(yeah, none of them are awesome equips, but the mitigation really is all you need to care about here... I used the two with the highest mitigation 22.59+13.33. As for why I have so many of this crap, it is because I hadn't noticed I had accumulated this many...)

This post has been edited by uvauva2: Jun 8 2010, 06:07

But for the other three the spirit attacks are one-hit KO's in normal circumstances...

I still get 1-hit KO'ed by them on occasion if I'm not wearing any mitigation gear. (I might be able to survive Impaler at it's highest roll when weakened. I had one do 300 less than my max HP the other day)

172 6 You have been defeated.
172 5 Spreading Poison hits Yuki Nagato for 225 damage.
172 4 Yuki Nagato hits you for 315 crushing damage.
172 3 Yuki Nagato gains the effect Penetrated Armor.
172 2 Your offhand hits Yuki Nagato for 8 piercing damage.
172 1 You crit Yuki Nagato for 18 piercing damage.

I brought scroll of gods, but didn't have enough mana restoratives. At least I'm going down the right direction.\

And I need a hell lot more mp tanks if I don't want to waste the last 4 turns of a mana elixir.

This post has been edited by Golden Sun: Jun 8 2010, 07:24

172 6 You have been defeated.
172 5 Spreading Poison hits Yuki Nagato for 225 damage.
172 4 Yuki Nagato hits you for 315 crushing damage.
172 3 Yuki Nagato gains the effect Penetrated Armor.
172 2 Your offhand hits Yuki Nagato for 8 piercing damage.
172 1 You crit Yuki Nagato for 18 piercing damage.

I brought scroll of gods, but didn't have enough mana restoratives. At least I'm going down the right direction.\

And I need a hell lot more mp tanks if I don't want to waste the last 4 turns of a mana elixir.

How are you trying to damage them? PA + poison and holy?

And I notice you have rapiers on both hands... I used rapier and shield with high block, and quite liked it. You get hit by very few spirit attacks like that (I think Ryouko didn't hit me with a single one, for instance... which kind of made the specially bought frost-born gear pointless...)

And my offer to lend the Spirit-ward gear stands... you can PM me if you want to try it...


P.S.: And why are you being so stingy about the elixirs? RoB is the only place you might want to use some for quite a long time...

This post has been edited by uvauva2: Jun 8 2010, 08:14

172 6 You have been defeated.
172 5 Spreading Poison hits Yuki Nagato for 225 damage.
172 4 Yuki Nagato hits you for 315 crushing damage.
172 3 Yuki Nagato gains the effect Penetrated Armor.
172 2 Your offhand hits Yuki Nagato for 8 piercing damage.
172 1 You crit Yuki Nagato for 18 piercing damage.

I brought scroll of gods, but didn't have enough mana restoratives. At least I'm going down the right direction.\

And I need a hell lot more mp tanks if I don't want to waste the last 4 turns of a mana elixir.

You're using Banish or Purge? What rapiers do you use?

And I notice you have rapiers on both hands... I used rapier and shield with high block, and quite liked it.

Back in the very long ago day that I first beat them, I did it with DW rather than 1HS. For one, it had lower interference, and, secondly, I had functionally no 1hs proficiency.

You're using Banish or Purge? What rapiers do you use?

He's level 75... so that's Purge for sure...

Back in the very long ago day that I first beat them, I did it with DW rather than 1HS. For one, it had lower interference, and, secondly, I had functionally no 1hs proficiency.

Hum... For me my Kite has only about one point of interference over the rapier. The 30% block trumps that, I think.

And the thing I find weird about two rapiers is that all that does is maximize the time of PA, but since a great part of your damage is Poison+PA, having the PA on all the time is not that significant.


As for the proficiencies, I was in the same situation when I decided to go for 1HS (around 25 prof for 1H and 20 prof for shield), but a couple of ~150 cake-worlds are enough to bring those proficiencies to the 50s,60s (shield proficiency in particular increases ultra fast).

This post has been edited by uvauva2: Jun 8 2010, 19:54

And the thing I find weird about two rapiers is that all that does is maximize the time of PA, but since a great part of your damage is Poison+PA, having the PA on all the time is not that significant.

A majority of your damage was Poison. I killed them with Holy.

A majority of your damage was Poison. I killed them with Holy.

Well, I'm generally speaking with Golden Sun's strategy in mind, and he is using Poison+PA.

Plus, I have really no idea how well magic worked before "the rise of magi" (I'm assuming you beat them before that...). I seem to remember every magic was super expensive.

But are you saying you didn't use Poison at all then? It seems somewhat standard now, at least if you are using a rapier.

He's level 75... so that's Purge for sure...

Forgot that (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Hum... For me my Kite has only about one point of interference over the rapier. The 30% block trumps that, I think.

And the thing I find weird about two rapiers is that all that does is maximize the time of PA, but since a great part of your damage is Poison+PA, having the PA on all the time is not that significant.
As for the proficiencies, I was in the same situation when I decided to go for 1HS (around 25 prof for 1H and 20 prof for shield), but a couple of ~150 cake-worlds are enough to bring those proficiencies to the 50s,60s (shield proficiency in particular increases ultra fast).

That's not problem for switching 1HS for DW, what's important is for regen been able keep up the damage, and that's a problem when mitigation gear is used, since is normally crap.
Now the off-hand rapier, and that's why I asked for what rapier he used, must be good one, meaning, +% proc chance, + turns PA, + parry, if not, it's better to use a dagger of nimble with high parry.
Why? Because getting off-hand PA proc'ed is only a ~2 turns of hitting saved, and that's not worth it, if you get much damage because of that, and lost a turn casting cure.

A majority of your damage was Poison. I killed them with Holy.

Well they were physical immune in those days, so by killing with poison, and without bleeding, that would be a long battle (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

This post has been edited by cmdct: Jun 8 2010, 20:26

Plus, I have really no idea how well magic worked before "the rise of magi" (I'm assuming you beat them before that...). I seem to remember every magic was super expensive.

I don't remember the cost having changed, but I wasn't a full-on mage till much later.

But are you saying you didn't use Poison at all then? It seems somewhat standard now, at least if you are using a rapier.

Of course I used Poison. I pretty much wrote the strategies on beating Legendaries and the Gods. (I was the first to beat Real Life and the IPU using the PA + AOE strategy. We didn't even know if was possible when I did it due to the mana cost and their absurd HP bars)

That's not problem for switching 1HS for DW, what's important is for regen been able keep up the damage, and that's a problem when mitigation gear is used, since is normally crap.
Now the off-hand rapier, and that's why I asked for what rapier he used, must be good one, meaning, +% proc chance, + turns PA, + parry, if not, it's better to use a dagger of nimble with high parry.
Why? Because getting off-hand PA proc'ed is only a ~2 turns of hitting saved, and that's not worth it, if you get much damage because of that, and lost a turn casting cure.

Meh... Can't really comment on any of that... In my experience the only problem I had was the one-hit KO spirit attacks, and the mitigation gear covered that (I had 30/40% mitigation using only two pieces). Once I had it all three of them were pretty easy. But maybe the fact I was pretty liberal with the items (I took 3-4 mana elixirs for each battle, plus godly mana draughts (but never had to use all of the elixirs)) also had something to do with it.

I don't remember the cost having changed, but I wasn't a full-on mage till much later.

Maybe it didn't make such a difference at high levels... But at the level I was at (can't say I remember anymore) what happened was basically that one day the tier 1 spells had a cost of around 10, and the following day they had a cost of 2.

In effect it made being a mage a possibility.

Of course I used Poison. I pretty much wrote the strategies on beating Legendaries and the Gods. (I was the first to beat Real Life and the IPU using the PA + AOE strategy. We didn't even know if was possible when I did it due to the mana cost and their absurd HP bars)

I assumed you were one of the "pioneers", yes...
But I suppose what I was really asking was if Poison was nearly as good back then (cmdct's comment above about physical immunity seems to suggest not, but I really have no idea how that worked...).

This post has been edited by uvauva2: Jun 8 2010, 21:10

But I suppose what I was really asking was if Poison was nearly as good back then (cmdct's comment above about physical immunity seems to suggest not, but I really have no idea how that worked...).

No, physical immunity wasn't have nothing with poison damage, but if you rely only on poison as your only source of damage it would be a long battle, wouldn't be?

No, physical immunity wasn't have nothing with poison damage, but if you rely only on poison as your only source of damage it would be a long battle, wouldn't be?

I see what you mean now.
I think I actually felled Konata almost on Poison alone, and it was fast enough, but for the others you definitely want something more, although against the legendary chicks it seems feasible (and aren't they a more recent addition? I seem to remember that when I started to play you only had the bosses and the gods)...


This post has been edited by uvauva2: Jun 8 2010, 22:14

Since Golden Sun seem to use magic (judging from how you ran out of mana at 170 turn VS Yuki) I'm not quite sure what is a good advice in your case. I will try...

Why did you use DW? Well, I did use DW as well when I fought those girls, but because...

- I'm pure melee. My main damage output came directly from me hitting her, so if I can do more damages because of the offhand hit, that's good, and that's the main reason for me to use DW.

- Since I use Slow + Haste (from Scroll of Avatar or the normal one) all the time, I don't have any problem whatsoever about the girl's normal attack, regen keep my health top up almost all the time, so I can use DW without much problem staying alive. But doing this has it downside, Slow use a lot of mana (not a problem since I'm melee, no need to cast offensive spell), Poison do damage more slowly (again, not a problem since my main damage came from physical attacks) So if your situation are not the same as mine, using shield might be a better idea (if you have a good shield, that is).

If you still want to DW and want some more damage when hitting her, I suggest using rapier on both hand (with high parry in offhand) against Mikuru. Mikuru seem to have weakness against Piercing damage but highly resilient to Slashing damage. Ryouko is the opposite, Strong against Piercing but weak against Slashing though you still want main hand to be rapier because you need to proc PA to be able to deal damage, the dagger in offhand is recommended.

On the other hand, Yuki is strong to both damage type, so stick with the shield might be a better idea (she was quite a pain when I fought her).

Also, I believe that at around your level, some mitigation gear for spirit attack is needed. I remember that i using 1 mit gear + scroll of avatar = good enough for all the girls SP**. But for you to use the same approach as me might not be a good idea, since you have to trade an item slot for the scroll, which mean less mana, which you need to cast offensive spells.


** at higher level, it seem that I don't need any mit gears, the scroll alone is enough,with Ryouko at least... in fact, I might not actually need the scroll too...

Since Golden Sun seem to use magic (judging from how you ran out of mana at 170 turn VS Yuki) I'm not quite sure what is a good advice in your case. I will try...

Why did you use DW? Well, I did use DW as well when I fought those girls, but because...

Normally offhand have less interference that a shield brings, and that reduce magic damage power.

** at higher level, it seem that I don't need any mit gears, the scroll alone is enough,with Ryouko at least... in fact, I might not actually need the scroll too...

Until one day you get a unlucky high roll hit and die, well not with Ryouko if you have the cold ratings.

Now the off-hand rapier, and that's why I asked for what rapier he used, must be good one, meaning, +% proc chance, + turns PA, + parry, if not, it's better to use a dagger of nimble with high parry.
Why? Because getting off-hand PA proc'ed is only a ~2 turns of hitting saved, and that's not worth it, if you get much damage because of that, and lost a turn casting cure.

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Until one day you get a unlucky high roll hit and die, well not with Ryouko if you have the cold ratings.

Basically why I switched to 2 mitigation gears - spirit attacks hit me for 450 damage.

I'm using purge. Hits for 1-1.2k hp with PA.
My main problem was that I had to cast cure every couple of turns. Regen wasn't keeping up.