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Yuki Nagato Down !

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The last one has Down (IMG:[www.kaskus.us] http://www.kaskus.us/images/smilies/selamat.gif)

Item : 2 Godly mana potion, 2 Godly mana draught, 4 Mana elixir (unused : 2 Mana elixir)

Strategy : weaken + Bewilder (always on) + shield & Regen (several times not use), PA + purge & PA + poison (won't forget again (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) ), cure & SP attack (when full charge + PA) sometimes.

Equipments :
Fine Titanium Rapier of Balance
Fine Mithril Kite Shield of the Barrier
Fine Silk Cap of the Cheetah
Fine Cotton Robe of the Spirit-ward
Average Silk Gloves of the Fleet
Fine Leather Leggings of the Spirit-ward
Fine Silk Shoes

Stats :
Avoidance
+21.7 % evade
+36.5 % block
+8.8 % parry
+11.5 % resist
Compromise
20.6 interference
45.6 burden

43.1 % Dark mitigation

Take 2 Data Rewrite 880 damage, not receive Crit attack ! (the others is missed, evaded, & blocked). one thing that I feel little satisfied is I beat Yuki when she is on same level with me(not like the other that on lower level than me). Now prepare for RoB of Gods (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)

What the Fuck?! I am doing the same thing as everyone else and I end up burning through all of my better then others use mana pots and still lose. Rapier+Shield, PA+Poison+Banish. Weaken+Bewilder. I only got her down 40K before running out of MP.

0 2 Spawned Monster A: MID=22 (Ryouko Asakura) LV=137 HP=115770 MP=212 SP=11 NA=50 Type=hostile
0 1 Initializing arena challenge #107 (Round 1 / 1) ...
0 0 Battle Start!

206 3 You have been defeated.
206 2 Ryouko Asakura hits you for 525 slashing damage.
206 1 You hit Ryouko Asakura for 102 piercing damage.

Superior Mana Draught
Superior Mana Potion
Superior Mana Draught
Superior Mana Potion
Superior Mana Draught
Godly Mana Draught
Godly Mana Draught
Godly Mana Potion
Mana Elixir
Scroll of the Avatar
Scroll of the Avatar
Scroll of the Gods
S1 Scroll of Swiftness
N1 Infusion of Divinity

Fine Prism Rapier of Balance
Fine Ruby Kite Shield of Deflection
Fair Gossamer Cap of the Heaven-sent
Average Leather Breastplate of the Frost-born
Average Gossamer Gloves of the Heaven-sent
Average Leather Leggings of the Frost-born
Fair Gossamer Shoes of the Heaven-sent

Physical Attack
+27 % damage
+45.1 % hit chance
+4.7 % crit chance

Magical Attack
+10 % damage
+22.5 % hit chance
+0 % crit chance

Physical Defense
15.3 points absorbed
7.5 % mitigation

Magical Defense
17.9 points absorbed
7.6 % mitigation

Avoidance
+18.4 % evade
+34.6 % block
+15.6 % parry
+12.4 % resist

Compromise
29.3 interference
43.7 burden

Cold Damage
48.4 % mitigation

Soul Damage
7 % mitigation

Spell Proficiency
-4.21 Elemental
+37.46 Divine
-1.66 Forbidden
-1.83 Deprecating
-2.12 Supportive
-2.89 Curative

Magic proficiency
Elemental 129.85
Divine 70.72
Forbidden 51.16
Deprecating 56.35
Supportive 65.28
Curative 88.89

Weapon proficiency
One-handed 27.74

Armor proficiency
Shield 34.15

Sigh.

What the Fuck?! I am doing the same thing as everyone else and I end up burning through all of my better then others use mana pots and still lose. Rapier+Shield, PA+Poison+Banish. Weaken+Bewilder. I only got her down 40K before running out of MP.

It's normal you have Divine/Supportive/Deprecating proficiency very low, these 3 although normally don't affect much, here they are mana savers, especially Divine proficiency, even with the Heaven-sent gear I have divine prof higher than you, and I don't raise it since the time I engage them at levels 80s.
You also made a mistake by using light mitigation gear, you have use cloth, because of the interference points that eat your % magical damage, only the interference from your shield is acceptable because of the defense it brings.
Another thing if you bring scroll of avatars (you don't need the gods if you have spark), and I guess they last till the end of battle, you don't need the mitigation gear since they already offer 50% physical/magical mitigation.

This post has been edited by cmdct: May 11 2010, 08:26

What the Fuck?! I am doing the same thing as everyone else and I end up burning through all of my better then others use mana pots and still lose. Rapier+Shield, PA+Poison+Banish. Weaken+Bewilder.

As cmdct says, your proficiencies are rather low. Not much you can do about that in the short term. Since you're not really set up for a long battle, I would suggest DW with a high bleed axe and relegate the rapier to the off hand, though that assumes you have a decent DW prof. If it's as low as your 1H, well, I really don't know. (I beat Ryouko in 208 turns with DW.) Also, I never bother trying to mitigate against these girls' spirit attacks, because the special mitigation gear is always inferior to my high protection/evade stuff when it comes to their normal attacks. So what if they hit for more than my HP? That's what Spark is for.
You don't need Bewilder against Ryouko, as all her attacks are physical.
And what's with the Scroll of Swiftness? That's about the weakest thing you could bring. Lose it and substitute something useful. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Ryouko Asakura Cleared

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0 2 Spawned Monster A: MID=22 (Ryouko Asakura) LV=137 HP=115770 MP=117 SP=65 NA=50 Type=hostile

I upgraded my mana potions: Godly Mana Draught X 5 * Godly Mana Potion X 1 (Unused X 3) * Scroll of the Avatar X 2 * Scroll of the Gods X 2 * Infusion of Divinity X 1. Upgraded one of the Cold Mit pieces, which really helped. Switched to DW (107.51 prof) which is 4X my One Hand prof.

Six Spike Shots, three miss. Three Impalers, one hits for 40%. My PA+Banish seemed stronger with DW compared to 1H+S.

Quartermaster 5/20 started. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

As cmdct says, your proficiencies are rather low. Not much you can do about that in the short term. Since you're not really set up for a long battle, I would suggest DW with a high bleed axe and relegate the rapier to the off hand, though that assumes you have a decent DW prof. If it's as low as your 1H, well, I really don't know. (I beat Ryouko in 208 turns with DW.) Also, I never bother trying to mitigate against these girls' spirit attacks, because the special mitigation gear is always inferior to my high protection/evade stuff when it comes to their normal attacks. So what if they hit for more than my HP? That's what Spark is for.
You don't need Bewilder against Ryouko, as all her attacks are physical.
And what's with the Scroll of Swiftness? That's about the weakest thing you could bring. Lose it and substitute something useful. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

I don't have a high bleed axe. Never could find one. I do have a very high bleed Katana. I used the usual Rapier+Dagger. (The Dagger does have 116 bleed.)

Spark is fine until the 5th Impaler. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) When I defeated Mikuru Niten-style, she fired off 9 Time Quakes.

1H+S was the one style I never really bothered with. The other two are 80+ prof.

I don't have Haste, and I need a huge amount of AP for 150. But, yeah, I put a Scroll of the Gods in instead.

I forgot about 'No Bewilder vs. Ryouko' and wasted a lot of MP on it, last time.

Bah! I got a stupid Club for the Doll. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) Anyways, Yuki can wait.

Anybody need some Frost-born Armor. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

This post has been edited by Alpha 7: May 12 2010, 05:41

I don't have Haste

Wait, What? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

I don't have Haste

Wait, What? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

Neither do I though likely for different reasons.

Wow.. Mage sure is different from fighter!

But does Haste offers no benefits whatsoever in your case? I mean, can't you just spare a few points in Tank for it? (I'm not trying to argue here, just want to learn something new)

This post has been edited by buktore: May 13 2010, 04:26

At high enough levels, Haste begins to have more or less no benefit since AS is capped at a certain value and the boost provided by it is wasted. Especially when you have no Burden nerfing from wearing Cloth Armor. Theoretically, around Level 300, your natural AS from stats should be high enough to render Haste unnecessary.

At high enough levels, Haste begins to have more or less no benefit since AS is capped at a certain value and the boost provided by it is wasted. Especially when you have no Burden nerfing from wearing Cloth Armor. Theoretically, around Level 300, your natural AS from stats should be high enough to render Haste unnecessary.

Well my Action Speed is Level+15 and Equipment gives +19 AGI. Haste only moves my double attack one turn sooner. Yes, that means I am double hitting from natural speed alone (while full-time AOE maging, too).

But does Haste offers no benefits whatsoever in your case?

What Cmal said.

I have an action speed of 191 and a burden below the 20 cutoff (burden above 20 slows you down). That means that casting Haste would give me 9 points of action speed (The action speed cap is apparently 200). That is a benefit of about 5%. On the other hand, Shadow Veil gives me an effective 12% physical avoidance.

So, while AP wise I could easily afford both, it makes sense for me to use Shadow Veil rather than Haste.

Well my Action Speed is Level+15 and Equipment gives +19 AGI. Haste only moves my double attack one turn sooner. Yes, that means I am double hitting from natural speed alone (while full-time AOE maging, too).

Hmmm... What is your action speed? If it is less than 180 (the exact number varies depending on proficiency and evasion stats), then using haste is still more advantageous than shadow veil.

This post has been edited by Boggyb: May 13 2010, 05:16

Thanks guys (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

What kind of equipt should I use against those bosses?
The crap I have right now is not sooooo bad but it seems to be not useful against these guys at all.
Without Weeaken/bewilder Konata hits me for 2,8K (I only have 2,6K) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)
Keeping her bewildered/weaken is just a pain in the ass thanks to my high interference. All I do is casting this 2 spells and have hardy any time to attack.

I need to get equipt without any interference and... high evade?
Not sure since im a melee.

This post has been edited by Ichy: May 13 2010, 10:45

What kind of equipt should I use against those bosses?
The crap I have right now is not sooooo bad but it seems to be not useful against these guys at all.
Without Weeaken/bewilder Konata hits me for 2,8K (I only have 2,6K) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)
Keeping her bewildered/weaken is just a pain in the ass thanks to my high interference. All I do is casting this 2 spells and have hardy any time to attack.

I need to get equipt without any interference and... high evade?
Not sure since im a melee.

Well you can wait for silence since you're just 1 level from it. I can kill the 4 legends with it, but I really suggest to chance your gear, avoid being a tanker since they are very fast.
In other words don't use heavy.

This post has been edited by cmdct: May 13 2010, 10:57

What kind of equipt should I use against those bosses?

What boss?

Usually 1H + Shield + High evade gears work well for the most part but I kinda like DW more.

I need to get equipt without any interference and... high evade?
Not sure since im a melee.

You have LV 109, yet you think that evade is not important to melee..?! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

Mind If I ask? How do you played HV so far? What fighting style? What difficulty? What gears do you use? Ability?

You have LV 109, yet you think that evade is not important to melee..?! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

Evade is important for all setups, but it's overrated, being tanker also means high absorb and specially mitigation, the current problem nowadays is that without a good exquisite heavy gear, the compromise stats will eat the power of curative spells, too much for the protection it offers. Still using a full set of protection heavy gear you can be fine, although it's not much more effective.

This post has been edited by cmdct: May 13 2010, 11:08

Well you can wait for silence since you're just 1 level from it. I can kill the 4 legends with it, but I really suggest to chance your gear, avoid being a tanker since they are very fast.
In other words don't use heavy.

I was afraid someone would say that.

What boss?

Usually 1H + Shield + High evade gears work well for the most part but I kinda like DW more.
You have LV 109, yet you think that evade is not important to melee..?! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

Mind If I ask? How do you played HV so far? What fighting style? What difficulty? What gears do you use? Ability?

Konata.
I have some evade on my equip but the best stats are absorb and mitigation. With it I take almost no damage (natural regen and second wind easily restores that) for 100+ levels on fine/easy item worlds.
This way I don`t have to pay any attention and can grind while watching TV.

I use a rapier with high chance to proc PA, some Kite Shield and a mix of heavy and light gears.

Tips for low level mages ( 50-60 ), how to beat MBP in RoB:

I used 1 scroll of the gods + 1 scroll of the avatar and 1 mana elexier! Without the spark of life effect from the scroll of gods global warming would have killed me... ( 1100 damage! I only have 578 HP (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) )
Keep him under weaken and poison constantly and blast his sorry ass with flare to a crisp! Took me only about 45 rounds... with occasional use of cure...

This post has been edited by HybridGuardian: May 13 2010, 11:27

Konata.
I have some evade on my equip but the best stats are absorb and mitigation. With it I take almost no damage (natural regen and second wind easily restores that) for 100+ levels on fine/easy item worlds.
This way I don`t have to pay any attention and can grind while watching TV.

I use a rapier with high chance to proc PA, some Kite Shield and a mix of heavy and light gears.

use a equip that has elemental mitigation that same with Legend's attack if you want decrease their damage(without that, the damage still same as their original attack)

increase your Supportive, deprecating proficiencies if yours in low level. that'll make your spell stay more long.

don't switch light with heavy. switch to mix of cloth(silk), and heavy(1 piece) if you want.

Evade is important for all setups, but it's overrated, being tanker also means high absorb and specially mitigation, the current problem nowadays is that without a good exquisite heavy gear, the compromise stats will eat the power of curative spells, too much for the protection it offers. Still using a full set of protection heavy gear you can be fine, although it's not much more effective.

Yeah, I agree.

I don't know if Evade is overrated or not, but I for one don't relied on it alone. Still, to think that's not important for melee is just wrong.

Good Heavy gears are ridiculously hard to find, if it ever drop that is.. since you need to have a very high number on ALL of the stats on it to be good, which is extremely unlikely.

Not to mention the things you already mentioned, too much compromise stats..

On the other hand, good Evade gears only need to have only 1 stat to be high (which is evade), which is much more likely to find. Other stats are always nice as well but it's not that important.

I'm not saying Heavy is useless, I mean, I use 1 or 2 on regular basis right now, but going FULL heavy all the time is worth it only for low level players.

Then again, I now have X-Attack, I might go full heavy to arena and see how it's goes... lets hope I won't lose 1000c (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

Other thing, I have ponder about it a bit, let's say.. if wearing Heavy gears doesn't affect non-damage spell proficiency, would it worth it to go full heavy? even with this and judging from Heavy gears that appears in bazaar, I find that answering this might not as easy as it would seem.

I was afraid someone would say that.
Konata.
I have some evade on my equip but the best stats are absorb and mitigation. With it I take almost no damage (natural regen and second wind easily restores that) for 100+ levels on fine/easy item worlds.
This way I don`t have to pay any attention and can grind while watching TV.

I use a rapier with high chance to proc PA, some Kite Shield and a mix of heavy and light gears.

That's explained it, you play mostly on Item world + Easy. I get it now.

What about Normal Griendfest? you should do this from time to time IMO, at least do Item world on Normal, or else you might start having a bad habit of thinking that the game is easier than it actually is.

This might sound like a weird question, do you play arena on regular basis?

This post has been edited by buktore: May 13 2010, 12:10