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Apr 26 2010, 13:54
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hgbdd
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Congrats for beating Mikuru yuripe (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif) Don't forget to use poison on the next legends, it will save you time and mana (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) Plus if you have supportive prof similar to deprecating use haste instead slow, I figured out that's better to have haste rather than slow (well haste+slow is always better anyway). Oh and looking to your equipment I can upgrade some things for you if you want: RapierCapPants
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Apr 26 2010, 14:40
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yuripe
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QUOTE(cmdct @ Apr 26 2010, 18:54)  Congrats for beating Mikuru yuripe (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif) Don't forget to use poison on the next legends, it will save you time and mana (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) Plus if you have supportive prof similar to deprecating use haste instead slow, I figured out that's better to have haste rather than slow (well haste+slow is always better anyway). Oh and looking to your equipment I can upgrade some things for you if you want: RapierCapPantsthanks (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) okay, since poison is useful for reduce HP monster, and make a monster less evade + reduce HP & MP regen. about haste, maybe I won't take cuz I already have SV. I like that pants, maybe I want that(the cap, and rapier maybe I won't for now).
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Apr 26 2010, 15:24
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hgbdd
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QUOTE(yuripe @ Apr 26 2010, 13:40)  thanks (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) okay, since poison is useful for reduce HP monster, and make a monster less evade + reduce HP & MP regen. about haste, maybe I won't take cuz I already have SV. I'm the opposite, since SV loses effectiveness as evade rises, haste is my friend (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/cool.gif) QUOTE(yuripe @ Apr 26 2010, 13:40)  I like that pants, maybe I want that(the cap, and rapier maybe I won't for now).
Ok bazzar price is 1060C so I sell you for 1200C is that ok? Edit: I keep the rapier then, but yours only gives me 2 turns, and mine have 3 turns, so it's better for PA+purge tactic. Well 600C for it if you change your mind (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) This post has been edited by cmdct: Apr 26 2010, 16:47
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Apr 27 2010, 11:43
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Ichy
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White Bunneh down. Dalek Down. Im glad I won`t have to fight that fucker again. Why does he do so much damage to me? Only MBP left. The hardest part is to find Tokens of Blood (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)
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Apr 27 2010, 12:12
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hgbdd
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QUOTE(Ichy @ Apr 27 2010, 10:43)  White Bunneh down. Dalek Down. Im glad I won`t have to fight that fucker again. Why does he do so much damage to me? Only MBP left. The hardest part is to find Tokens of Blood (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) Congrats for beating them Ichy (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif) Don't worry with MBP, since you have bewilder he's the easier of them.
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Apr 27 2010, 16:23
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BlorgAlmighty
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Konata defeated... but it took me 1 Lesser Mana Potion, 1 Average Mana Potion, 2 Greater Mana Potions, 1 Superior Mana Potion, 1 Godly Mana Potion and 1 Mana Elixir.
I probably could have done with another Greater Mana Potion instead of the Elixir, though.
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Apr 27 2010, 16:34
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yuripe
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QUOTE(Ichy @ Apr 27 2010, 16:43)  White Bunneh down. Dalek Down. Im glad I won`t have to fight that fucker again. Why does he do so much damage to me? Only MBP left. The hardest part is to find Tokens of Blood (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) congrats for beat WB, and Dalek (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) . yep, MBP is the worst from all boss monsters. just watch out from 'Global warming'. QUOTE(BlorgAlmighty @ Apr 27 2010, 21:23)  Konata defeated... but it took me 1 Lesser Mana Potion, 1 Average Mana Potion, 2 Greater Mana Potions, 1 Superior Mana Potion, 1 Godly Mana Potion and 1 Mana Elixir.
I probably could have done with another Greater Mana Potion instead of the Elixir, though.
congrats for beat konata. from mikuru, Ryouko, and Yuki, you'll need more mana cuz their HP about 2 X konata(with more damage, and speed). This post has been edited by yuripe: Apr 27 2010, 18:54
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Apr 27 2010, 16:40
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BlorgAlmighty
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I probably won't tackle the other Legendaries for a while. If Konata, the easiest, took that much outta me, I probably need to... well, I don't know what I need to do, but I need to do it regardless.
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Apr 28 2010, 02:28
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uvauva2
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Hi!
I'm having some trouble defeating bosses in my mage setup (I did already defeat White Bunneh, Mithra and Dalek, but I did so some levels ago in my 2H setup with a nice bleed. I am however mainly a mage and I don't have much confidence in my 2H equip set as of late). It seems to me, from reading this thread, that the way to go is to take some weapon with PA instead of the staff. Is this correct? And if so, rapier or estoc?
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Apr 28 2010, 03:01
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hariaku
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QUOTE(uvauva2 @ Apr 27 2010, 17:28)  Hi!
I'm having some trouble defeating bosses in my mage setup (I did already defeat White Bunneh, Mithra and Dalek, but I did so some levels ago in my 2H setup with a nice bleed. I am however mainly a mage and I don't have much confidence in my 2H equip set as of late). It seems to me, from reading this thread, that the way to go is to take some weapon with PA instead of the staff. Is this correct? And if so, rapier or estoc?
Probably rapier + shield or + high parry equipment, which is what I've primarily seen. I haven't heard of a single person doing it with an estoc though some have done it as a mage. Personally I did it with 1hs, but I have a really nice shield and good equipment overall.
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Apr 28 2010, 08:31
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uvauva2
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Ok, I beat the MBP now... Poison with PA is just absurd...
EDIT: And Konata didn't take much longer. Although it at least cost me some items (one of each greater/superior mana potion/draught). Poison PA makes me feel sorry for the bosses...
RE-EDIT: Mikuru just one-shot me with it's damn spirit attack... scratch any sympathy I might have mentioned...
This post has been edited by uvauva2: Apr 29 2010, 02:53
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Apr 30 2010, 23:55
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uvauva2
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Beat Mikuru.
(I really just copied yuripe's strategy from the previous page (with the adition of poison+PA), so credit to him/her.)
Items used : 4 godly mana draughts, 2 mana elixirs (1 health elixir, 1 mana elixir unused) (I know health items are not very useful here. consider it bravado)
Strategy : weaken + bewilder always on, haste+shield most of the time, regen once in a while (using more might not be bad idea), barrier once or twice, PA + purge & PA + poison.
Stats : +20.6 % evade +32.2 % block +7.2 % parry +10.9 % resist 32.7 % Dark mitigation
I also verify yuripe's estimation of Time Quake dealing 800-1000 in these conditions, although I only really recall being hit by a single one.
EDIT: I also have a short question: is it worthwhile to try to get a decent equip from snowflake using the trophies from the legendaries and gods?
This post has been edited by uvauva2: May 1 2010, 05:59
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May 1 2010, 07:10
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Alpha 7
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Mikuru Cleared!(IMG:[ i42.tinypic.com] http://i42.tinypic.com/6f9nvn.png) 0 2 Spawned Monster A: MID=21 (Mikuru Asahina) LV=129 HP=108885 MP=209 SP=21 NA=52 Type=hostile 0 1 Initializing arena challenge #106 (Round 1 / 1) ... 0 0 Battle Start! It literally took everything I had - 14 Items and all but 3 MP. What am I doing wrong? People are doing this with much less effort and Items and dozens of levels earlier. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) She used 9 Mikuru Beams (Only 2 got through) and 4 Time Quakes (Evade, Block, Absorb, and 1 hit for 72% damage [survived]). Spark never went off, (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) All that I used... 1 Superior Mana Potion 2 Superior Mana Draught 3 Superior Mana Draught 4 Superior Mana Potion 5 Godly Mana Draught 6 Godly Mana Draught 7 Godly Mana Potion 8 Godly Mana Potion 9 Mana Elixir 10 Scroll of Life 11 Scroll of the Avatar 12 Scroll of the Gods S1 Scroll of the Gods N1 Infusion of Divinity Main Hand Average Emerald Rapier * 4 turns PA Off Hand Fine Ruby Kite Shield of Deflection * +33.31 Block Helmet Fair Leather Helmet of the Spirit-ward * +20.75 Dark Mit. Body Average Phase Robe of the Earth-walker * +20.00 Supportive Hands Average Cotton Gloves of the Spirit-ward * +16.74 Dark Mit. Legs Fine Phase Pants of the Priestess * +13.69 Curative Feet Fair Phase Shoes of the Curse-weaver * +8.47 Deprec. Dark Damage * +38.7 % mitigation Magical Defense * +9.1 % mitigation Oh, and, The Infusion helped Banish but did not help my Rapier - the damage was the same as Holy and Piercing. @uvauva2 - You can only do two things with a trophy: Shrine it for a weapon or sell it to the Bazaar. If you do the second, someone will quickly buy it and take it to the Shrine themselves.
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May 1 2010, 07:33
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hariaku
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QUOTE(Alpha 7 @ Apr 30 2010, 22:10)  It literally took everything I had - 14 Items and all but 3 MP. What am I doing wrong? People are doing this with much less effort and Items and dozens of levels earlier. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) She used 9 Mikuru Beams (Only 2 got through) and 4 Time Quakes (Evade, Block, Absorb, and 1 hit for 72% damage [survived]). Spark never went off, (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) All that I used... 1 Superior Mana Potion 2 Superior Mana Draught 3 Superior Mana Draught 4 Superior Mana Potion 5 Godly Mana Draught 6 Godly Mana Draught 7 Godly Mana Potion 8 Godly Mana Potion 9 Mana Elixir 10 Scroll of Life 11 Scroll of the Avatar 12 Scroll of the Gods S1 Scroll of the Gods N1 Infusion of Divinity Main Hand Average Emerald Rapier * 4 turns PA Off Hand Fine Ruby Kite Shield of Deflection * +33.31 Block Helmet Fair Leather Helmet of the Spirit-ward * +20.75 Dark Mit. Body Average Phase Robe of the Earth-walker * +20.00 Supportive Hands Average Cotton Gloves of the Spirit-ward * +16.74 Dark Mit. Legs Fine Phase Pants of the Priestess * +13.69 Curative Feet Fair Phase Shoes of the Curse-weaver * +8.47 Deprec. Dark Damage * +38.7 % mitigation Magical Defense * +9.1 % mitigation Oh, and, The Infusion helped Banish but did not help my Rapier - the damage was the same as Holy and Piercing. @uvauva2 - You can only do two things with a trophy: Shrine it for a weapon or sell it to the Bazaar. If you do the second, someone will quickly buy it and take it to the Shrine themselves. This is when I beat here. https://forums.e-hentai.org/index.php?showt...mp;#entry649988They way I approached it was also rapier and shield like you and I used the AP/poison strategy. I think my approach was to maximize the evade instead of maximizing the protection. If you look at my battle-log or whatever it's called, it says I took 26% of the hits. All the others were evades, misses, parries, or blocks. Also a 14% rapier is probably not the way to go. I used to have a 16% * 4, but changed to a 23% * 3. With 23%, sometimes it seems like PA is always procing. Well that's just my experience against Mikuru. Hope it helps some.
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May 1 2010, 07:36
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hgbdd
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QUOTE(Alpha 7 @ May 1 2010, 06:10)  Mikuru Cleared! It literally took everything I had - 14 Items and all but 3 MP. What am I doing wrong? People are doing this with much less effort and Items and dozens of levels earlier. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) She used 9 Mikuru Beams (Only 2 got through) and 4 Time Quakes (Evade, Block, Absorb, and 1 hit for 72% damage [survived]). Spark never went off, (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Congrats for beating Mikuru (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/cool.gif) The reason you had more effort and items it's because you used to wrong gear for this tactic, each point of interference reduces +1% of magic damage output, so you need to DW with rapier+dagger of nimble saving a few points of interference, and you can't use any non cloth gear. Plus you made a major mistake, there's no point leaving spark of life always up, that eats a lot of MP,what you have to do is leaving your HP above 1/2 of total to avoid some bad luck, and quite frankly if you use mitigation gear in order to survive the spirit attack you don't need it. Trade the scroll of gods for a scroll of a avatar instead, it gives you a free haste and 50% physical/magical mitigation for a while, that is more advantageous here. But I have good news for you (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) The other 2 legends are basically copy's of mikuru so using by PA+banish tactic you shouldn't need much more mana pool. Edit: I remembered just now that you're on my level (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) You don't need any of this, use rapier+shield, and your usual melee gear, hit them, use the PA+poison and use silence, cast cure when necessary, and be careful the crits can do ~800 dmg. I defeated Yuki some days ago this way and I spent 5 average draughts, so equip all the items slots with great mana draugths and you'll be fine (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) Of course you can still use PA+Banish, although I didn't cast any, so I don't know if you'll spend less mana or not. This post has been edited by cmdct: May 1 2010, 07:45
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May 1 2010, 08:26
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Alpha 7
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QUOTE(cmdct @ May 1 2010, 01:36)  Congrats for beating Mikuru (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/cool.gif) The reason you had more effort and items it's because you used to wrong gear for this tactic, each point of interference reduces +1% of magic damage output, so you need to DW with rapier+dagger of nimble saving a few points of interference, and you can't use any non cloth gear. Plus you made a major mistake, there's no point leaving spark of life always up, that eats a lot of MP,what you have to do is leaving your HP above 1/2 of total to avoid some bad luck, and quite frankly if you use mitigation gear in order to survive the spirit attack you don't need it. Trade the scroll of gods for a scroll of a avatar instead, it gives you a free haste and 50% physical/magical mitigation for a while, that is more advantageous here. But I have good news for you (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) The other 2 legends are basically copy's of mikuru so using by PA+banish tactic you shouldn't need much more mana pool. Edit: I remembered just now that you're on my level (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) You don't need any of this, use rapier+shield, and your usual melee gear, hit them, use the PA+poison and use silence, cast cure when necessary, and be careful the crits can do ~800 dmg. I defeated Yuki some days ago this way and I spent 5 average draughts, so equip all the items slots with great mana draugths and you'll be fine (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) Of course you can still use PA+Banish, although I didn't cast any, so I don't know if you'll spend less mana or not. First, I switched from Heaven-sent to Spirit-ward because Time Quake was doing 174% HP damage. With the switch, TQ did 72%, which is survivable with Regen and Shadow Veil up. (It cut Banish's damage in half, too (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)) As for Melee, I have 75 Interference there so, Silence and Poison fail 80% of the time. I could keep my current gear (plus a pair of Spirit-ward boots I am getting) and switch to my Diamond Katana+ Wakazashi. The Katana's base bleed does twice the damage as PA Poison, and is twice as likely to process as PA, and lasts 6 turns. Niten Ichiryu+Silence would save me the MP expense of Bewilder, Weaken, Arcane Focus, Poison, and Banish, which I could use towards Cure.
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May 1 2010, 08:57
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hgbdd
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QUOTE(Alpha 7 @ May 1 2010, 07:26)  First, I switched from Heaven-sent to Spirit-ward because Time Quake was doing 174% HP damage. With the switch, TQ did 72%, which is survivable with Regen and Shadow Veil up. (It cut Banish's damage in half, too (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)) As for Melee, I have 75 Interference there so, Silence and Poison fail 80% of the time. I could keep my current gear (plus a pair of Spirit-ward boots I am getting) and switch to my Diamond Katana+ Wakazashi. The Katana's base bleed does twice the damage as PA Poison, and is twice as likely to process as PA, and lasts 6 turns. Niten Ichiryu+Silence would save me the MP expense of Bewilder, Weaken, Arcane Focus, Poison, and Banish, which I could use towards Cure. You're thinking of using heavy, don't use it, RoB enemies are fast so the burden is also a big problem. I'm talking about cloth Armour silk/gossamer/phase with the best evade possible, but you can keep the robe and pants you used. As for using niten, I never tried, but the physical damage from hits you do will still be very weak ones, and without the protection of block you're gonna need to cast more often and will eat a little more mana. Try to use my method, it worked with me, why wouldn't work with you? Probably you be spend more items than me, but I'm confident that with 12 great mana draughts, goodbye legend, and you'll save some items. Oh and my rapier was doing half of damage poison was did, so 2/3 of the yuki's HP was down by poison. This post has been edited by cmdct: May 1 2010, 08:59
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May 1 2010, 09:35
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Alpha 7
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QUOTE(cmdct @ May 1 2010, 02:57)  You're thinking of using heavy, don't use it, RoB enemies are fast so the burden is also a big problem. I'm talking about cloth Armour silk/gossamer/phase with the best evade possible, but you can keep the robe and pants you used. As for using niten, I never tried, but the physical damage from hits you do will still be very weak ones, and without the protection of block you're gonna need to cast more often and will eat a little more mana. Try to use my method, it worked with me, why wouldn't work with you? Probably you be spend more items than me, but I'm confident that with 12 great mana draughts, goodbye legend, and you'll save some items. Oh and my rapier was doing half of damage poison was did, so 2/3 of the yuki's HP was down by poison.
Well, I don't consider the hits from the Katana or Rapier to be meaningful. I checked the Katana's actual bleed in Normal Fest and it is 433 HP per turn. PA Poison only did 138 HP pr turn My Katana's bleed is 3x the rapier's PA+Poison per turn. Plus, even though weapon's normal damage is almost meaningless, my Katana has twice the ADM as my Rapier and has higher accuracy so, its attacks will contribute more to the battle. I'll try Niten+Silence tomorrow. If I take too much damage from no Shield Block, I'll do 1HS PA+Silence the next day. Oh, and I rarely use 1HS so, my prof for 1H & S are both low compared to 2H, DW, and Staff.
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May 1 2010, 17:44
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grumpymal
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I've tried using Niten against a Legendary and it didn't work out as well as using PA. I still killed it, but I used more items and time than necessary.
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