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ALMOST FORGOT TO ASK: Due to the "elemental" nature of Invisible Pink Unicorn's attacks (read: physical hits deal Holy damage)....does it do any good in battle to cast "Weaken" on her??

Or is one forced to rely on Holy Mitigation to soak up the damage??

Or does one have to use both?

You can use weaken, it's effective but by doing that you can't use silence (because that would dispel weaken), and I'm not sure you can survive to his spirit attack, if not, well spark of life will be a lot mana consumer, plus you are forced to bring more last elixirs (probably you have to use only last elixirs)

You can get away with using Silence if you have an Ethereal rapier, which will allow you to use a 41% block shield, if you have a 41% block shield... Otherwise you probably need to use Weaken.

You can get away with using Silence if you have an Ethereal rapier, which will allow you to use a 41% block shield, if you have a 41% block shield... Otherwise you probably need to use Weaken.

You don't have to use an ethereal rapier and 41% block shield to use Silence. I can beat the IPU fairly easily these days using a bleed axe and silence. My first IPU victory had me using Pestilence and Silence. I don't think anyone else has done that though they probably could if they really tried.

You can get away with using Silence if you have an Ethereal rapier, which will allow you to use a 41% block shield, if you have a 41% block shield... Otherwise you probably need to use Weaken.

You don't have to use an ethereal rapier and 41% block shield to use Silence. I can beat the IPU fairly easily these days using a bleed axe and silence. My first IPU victory had me using Pestilence and Silence. I don't think anyone else has done that though they probably could if they really tried.

You're missing the beginning of this conversation, Thanos008 asked if he could use weaken instead silence, against FSM.

BDW sayo why 41% block? (that's a insane block shield)

You're missing the beginning of this conversation, Thanos008 asked if he could use weaken instead silence, against FSM.

BDW sayo why 41% block? (that's a insane block shield)

Oh, oops. Yeah, you still can't use Weaken. You would be eaten alive Puff of Logic. The battle is just too long. But, hey, I guess you could use a million Last Elixirs to do the battle. You would be pissing away credits to do it, but I guess thats your prerogative.

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Wait a minute, no he didn't. He clearly asked about the IPU:

Due to the "elemental" nature of Invisible Pink Unicorn's attacks

This post has been edited by Boggyb: Apr 2 2010, 19:00

Wait a minute, no he didn't. He clearly asked about the IPU:

Lol I'm thinking in FSM, so I read IPU like FSM, looks like I was in the moon again, sorry

BDW sayo why 41% block? (that's a insane block shield)

Er...

41% block

Anyway, unless you have a lot of damage mitigation, you can't fight the IPU or FSM with Silence. You'll run out of mana from casting Cure all the time. If that's the case, Weaken and Last Elixirs are the only option. You may not need as many of those as you think, though. See my earlier post for how I managed against the IPU.

Anyway, unless you have a lot of damage mitigation, you can't fight the IPU or FSM with Silence. You'll run out of mana from casting Cure all the time. If that's the case, Weaken and Last Elixirs are the only option. You may not need as many of those as you think, though. See my earlier post for how I managed against the IPU.

Regen II.

Regen II.

Which neither I nor Thanos yet have access to.

Er...

Oh you mean my IPU attempt, yes I had 41% block, but it was because of prof, the shield itself have only 37%, so I misunderstood (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

(IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) NEW HAND....LEARING...

So my follow up question is: how much "weaker" are IPU's attacks against you if you DO have a whole bunch of Holy Mitigation Gear on for a high Protection-Against-Holy amount??

So my follow up question is: how much "weaker" are IPU's attacks against you if you DO have a whole bunch of Holy Mitigation Gear on for a high Protection-Against-Holy amount??

With 75,7% holy mitigation, silenced IPU was doing about the same damage as weakened RL.
Look silence+50% holy mitigation gives almost the protection as without the holy mitigation+weaken, and it's only almost because of the crits. The rest is a bigger HP, little more speed and tougher and here you go, IPU turns out to be a harder version of RL, the same deal but you need more mana elixirs or more items slots if you prefer.

Anyway, unless you have a lot of damage mitigation, you can't fight the IPU or FSM with Silence. You'll run out of mana from casting Cure all the time. If that's the case, Weaken and Last Elixirs are the only option. You may not need as many of those as you think, though. See my earlier post for how I managed against the IPU.

Define lot.
You can always use Axe+Shield for extra protection, even losing the extra damage poison can give, that can be better if it save MP from casting cure, but of course you have to try and see. My first attempt against RL I tried this way, and from what I saw I didn't lost mana efficiency or if I lost it was very little vs Axe+Rapier, and if IPU really hurts to the point you cast cure very often then I believe Axe+Shield is more effective.
When I have tokens and mana elixirs to spare, I'll try to see the difference between tactics on RL/IPU again, so I can talk about facts and not theorys.


This post has been edited by cmdct: Apr 3 2010, 00:32

... Stupid me. I wanted to see if I could beat a Dalek with a Staff by spamming Thunderstorm and using Ether Theft. I went through 4 Average Mana Potions, 1 of them being wasted because I kept on Weakening the Dalek instead of Thunderstorm-ing it. Despite that, Coalesced Mana never triggered, and I gave it up as a lost cause.

... Then I realized I was still in my DW setup.

Finally, I got the tokens..

Ryouko Asakura down!

(IMG:[i184.photobucket.com] http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x207/buktore/Finishcut1.png)

Ryouko Asakura LV=77 HP=65280 MP=27 SP=78
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Style : DW = Rapier (Main hand) Dagger (Off hand)
Item : 3xScroll of the Avatar 2xGodly Mana Draught 2xMana Elixir (1 wasted)
Strategy : the usual de-buff on her. Use Scroll of the Avatar for myself (which work really well) and keep whacking her.

It seem that Slashing indeed does more damage than Piercing.. but you still need PA to do any decent damage to her (Whew.. that was a right choice to use Rapier+Dagger instead of Axe+Rapier)

Without PA

217 2 Your offhand hits Ryouko Asakura for 41 slashing damage.
217 1 You hit Ryouko Asakura for 34 piercing damage.

With PA

230 2 Your offhand hits Ryouko Asakura for 232 slashing damage.
230 1 You hit Ryouko Asakura for 206 piercing damage.

198 2 Your offhand hits Ryouko Asakura for 368 slashing damage.
198 1 You crit Ryouko Asakura for 342 piercing damage.

Next time, I might fight her with a club...

DAMN!!

I was soooooooo close.

Got Invisible Pink Unicorn down its "last" 15,000 Hit Points.

But I ran out of Mana.



DAMN!! DAMN!! DAMN!!

EDIT:
Surprisingly enough, at several points during the long battle, I accidentally let the "Silence" on IPU lapse, and during most such periods when he wasn't Silenced, it took several tries to shut him back up again, due to the fact that I have just enough Armor to give me Interference, plus (for those of you who have yet to face it) IPU apparently has a hell of a Magic Resist -he must've easily resisted at least one spell casting in three.

He didn't use his Spirit Attack OR Magic Bar even once in the whole entire battle, though -and both of those bars were maxed out the whole time.

DAMN!!

I was soooooooo close.

Got Invisible Pink Unicorn down its "last" 15,000 Hit Points.

But I ran out of Mana.



DAMN!! DAMN!! DAMN!!

EDIT:
Surprisingly enough, at several points during the long battle, I accidentally let the "Silence" on IPU lapse, and during most such periods when he wasn't Silenced, it took several tries to shut him back up again, due to the fact that I have just enough Armor to give me Interference, plus (for those of you who have yet to face it) IPU apparently has a hell of a Magic Resist -he must've easily resisted at least one spell casting in three.

He didn't use his Spirit Attack OR Magic Bar even once in the whole entire battle, though -and both of those bars were maxed out the whole time.

After levelling up my axe for a while, I thought I was about ready to take on the FSM. Well, I was wrong, but I got him down to 3% of his HP before he killed me. One more item would have been enough, or of course another week or so of Item Worlds to improve both my DW proficiency and my weapon stats. I caved in, spent the credits on another level of Pack Rat, and tried again.

Result: Success!

Equipment setup:

Fine Mithril Axe of Balance
Exquisite Emerald Rapier
Average Cotton Cap of the Spirit-ward
Average Leather Breastplate of the Spirit-ward
Average Leather Gauntlets of the Spirit-ward
Average Leather Leggings of the Spirit-ward
Average Cotton Shoes of the Spirit-ward

Total Dark mitigation: 68.2%.

Items used: 6 Mana Elixirs, 4 Last Elixirs, 1 Scroll of the Gods, 1 Infusion of Divinity.

The Infusion allowed me to do a bit more damage for a few rounds, but probably didn't affect the outcome.
The Scroll didn't contribute much either. I used my Spirit Attack while it was protecting me, then realised I would have to take a Last Elixir while I still had about 1/3 of my MP left. I had to cast Banish several times to use up the excess mana... luckily I got PA to proc, so at least it did a decent amount of damage.
In the end I had one Last Elixir left over... so training Pack Rat turned out to be a complete waste of credits. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/anime_cry.gif)

Strategy: Haste, Regen, Weaken, Poison. I cast Regen when I was down to about 1/2 HP and it usually fully recharged me. I don't think I cast Cure at all. To deal with Puff of Logic: Bewilder, Absorb, Spark of Life. Spark rarely triggered, and I certainly didn't need as many as 4 Last Elixirs. Still, better safe than sorry. I used the excess SP on Spirit Attacks, which probably did no more than 2% of the total damage...

Congrats on finishing ROB.

After levelling up my axe for a while, I thought I was about ready to take on the FSM. Well, I was wrong, but I got him down to 3% of his HP before he killed me. One more item would have been enough, or of course another week or so of Item Worlds to improve both my DW proficiency and my weapon stats. I caved in, spent the credits on another level of Pack Rat, and tried again.

Result: Success!

Equipment setup:

Fine Mithril Axe of Balance
Exquisite Emerald Rapier
Average Cotton Cap of the Spirit-ward
Average Leather Breastplate of the Spirit-ward
Average Leather Gauntlets of the Spirit-ward
Average Leather Leggings of the Spirit-ward
Average Cotton Shoes of the Spirit-ward

Total Dark mitigation: 68.2%.

Items used: 6 Mana Elixirs, 4 Last Elixirs, 1 Scroll of the Gods, 1 Infusion of Divinity.

The Infusion allowed me to do a bit more damage for a few rounds, but probably didn't affect the outcome.
The Scroll didn't contribute much either. I used my Spirit Attack while it was protecting me, then realised I would have to take a Last Elixir while I still had about 1/3 of my MP left. I had to cast Banish several times to use up the excess mana... luckily I got PA to proc, so at least it did a decent amount of damage.
In the end I had one Last Elixir left over... so training Pack Rat turned out to be a complete waste of credits. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/anime_cry.gif)

Strategy: Haste, Regen, Weaken, Poison. I cast Regen when I was down to about 1/2 HP and it usually fully recharged me. I don't think I cast Cure at all. To deal with Puff of Logic: Bewilder, Absorb, Spark of Life. Spark rarely triggered, and I certainly didn't need as many as 4 Last Elixirs. Still, better safe than sorry. I used the excess SP on Spirit Attacks, which probably did no more than 2% of the total damage...

Why you didn't already have your Pack Rat training maxed out by this point in time is a mystery to me....but to each his own, eh?? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)


This post has been edited by Thanos008: Apr 6 2010, 07:18