[X] My Assistant

Going to? I already did and it worked.

My memory is awful. I meant FSM.

There's anyone who beat or try to beat these gods as a mage?
I mean I noticed that everybody are using +- the same strategic: bleed and PA+poison.
I known that probably they have very high magic mitigation, even against it's weakness, and a mage is very vulnerable since don't have no block, and parry,
but using a staff "of the Priestess", raising curative/supportive proficiency shouldn't resolve the problem?
MP shouldn't be a trouble either, because of ether thief and coalesced mana?
(Well I'm asking that, because I've never was a mage)

I'm trying to get Real Life as a mage. I did get more supportive and deprecating spells since my last attempt. Flower Vases and Bubble-Gums are very helpful in doing so. I just need to know how to maximize poison damage as well. I did something that did high poison damage, but I didn't know where it came from. I wonder if the Flower Vase of Bubble-Gum has to do with it.

I did something that did high poison damage, but I didn't know where it came from. I wonder if the Flower Vase of Bubble-Gum has to do with it.

They did. Flower Vase and Bubble-Gum give you an enormous boost to your attack and magic ratings while they're active. And just like applying Poison while PA is in effect makes the Poison deal high damage even after the PA has worn off, the bonus magic rating you get makes your Poison more powerful.

I've found that using a Bubble Gum or Flower Vase has about the same effect on my damage as applying PA. And your damage gets really nutty when you use both together.

I'm trying to get Real Life as a mage.

I was considering trying it, just to see if it was possible (I have way too many Tokens of Blood), but since you are going to do it, there is no point me wasting my elixirs.

Ta-da.

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Items used: 5 Mana Elixirs, 3 Last Elixirs, 1 Scroll of the Gods. I think only one of those Last Elixirs was actually necessary as far as Spirit usage by Spark of Life was concerned. The other two allowed me to fire off a few spirit attacks which ultimately didn't affect the final outcome. Given that I had two items left over at the end, I could have used just Mana and Spirit Elixirs and saved myself 15000C...

Weapons: This little beauty which dropped earlier today, and my good rapier in the off hand.

Armour: Once I realised that interference below 25 doesn't affect Poison damage, I ditched my plan to use all cloth and went with one chainmail piece, two leather and two cloth. Total interference: 26.3. Total Holy mitigation: 66.1%.

Strategy: The usual, more or less. I used Weaken rather than Silence because
a. I don't have Silence right now. Not a very good reason, but I just wanted to see if I could do this without resetting my abilities.
b. It made Regen pretty much perfectly balanced against the damage I was taking, which wouldn't have been the case with Silence.

Before you all rush to congratulate me, though, I have a sneaking suspicion that something's been tweaked recently. On my last attempt (about 3 levels ago) my average Poison damage, with PA, was about 90, yet today I was getting more like 140. I haven't done anything that would make that much difference. And I noticed this:

21 1 You hit Invisible Pink Unicorn for 3 slashing damage.

I did more than 1 damage! And it wasn't just the axe:

40 2 Your offhand hits Invisible Pink Unicorn for 6 piercing damage.
40 1 You hit Invisible Pink Unicorn for 14 slashing damage.

That was with PA, but still. So has something changed, or has it always been like this and I just wasn't paying attention?

Strategy: The usual, more or less. I used Weaken rather than Silence because
a. I don't have Silence right now. Not a very good reason, but I just wanted to see if I could do this without resetting my abilities.
b. It made Regen pretty much perfectly balanced against the damage I was taking, which wouldn't have been the case with Silence.

Out of curiosity, why'd you use Bewilder? Was it making Perplexing Paradox not one-shot you? It has no effect on anything else IPU does.

Before you all rush to congratulate me, though, I have a sneaking suspicion that something's been tweaked recently. On my last attempt (about 3 levels ago) my average Poison damage, with PA, was about 90, yet today I was getting more like 140.

You know, I had a similar experience when I did IPU a few weeks ago. The numbers (90->140) were pretty much the same, too. Considering that I did IPU at almost the same level you are now, I'd say that whatever we experienced isn't something new. It's possible that IPU's stats gets rolled differently each time you fight him, and he had significantly less Barrier Rating on each of our second attempts.

40 2 Your offhand hits Invisible Pink Unicorn for 6 piercing damage.
40 1 You hit Invisible Pink Unicorn for 14 slashing damage.

I saw the "Your offhand hits IPU for 6 damage" message a few times when I fought him, but my mainhand never hit for more than 1.
vaelh mentioned in the 0.4.5 thread that he found the high level arenas to be a lot easier since the patch, so maybe Tenb did some stealth tweaks to monster difficulty.

so maybe Tenb did some stealth tweaks to monster difficulty.

If it isn't written in the log, don't assume it was intentional, and don't be annoyed/complain when he undoes it (except of course when he goes too far and things get crazy more difficult. That is why I'm glad that there haven't been any difficulty tweaks recently. It never is perfect on the first go)

I was considering trying it, just to see if it was possible (I have way too many Tokens of Blood), but since you are going to do it, there is no point me wasting my elixirs.

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So close...

Real Life (Level 169)
9982/299465 HP

So close. It was the free Magic Missile that kept me going to proc Ether Theft. Maybe I should have used my Spirit Attack, but I doubt it would finish it at half power.
Internet went down at once, evaded once, parried once, and absorbed once.

Now I need 3 more tokens to try again.

Proc on me:
Haste, Shield, Barrier, Shadow Veil, Absorb, Arcane Focus (only with Channeling on), Regen II, Spark of Life.

Procs on Real Life
Weaken, Poison, Nerf, Bewilder, Slow

I need to bring more Flower Vases and Bubble-Gum to help as well.
It's possible. And I, or other mages will prove it's possible.

EDIT: Forgot to put Spark of Life

This post has been edited by EvolutionKing: Jan 29 2010, 04:47

I need to bring more Flower Vases and Bubble-Gum to help as well.

Honestly, I think you shouldn't ever bring Flower Vases to endurance fights. Sure, it gives you a short term boost in damage, but Bubble-Gum does the same thing, while also acting as a partial Mana Elixir. You can't really afford to waste an item slot on something that doesn't provide you with some endurance.

Great job getting as far as you did! I'm sure you'll prove to us very soon that a pure Mage can take down RL.

Out of curiosity, why'd you use Bewilder? Was it making Perplexing Paradox not one-shot you? It has no effect on anything else IPU does.

It made Perplexing Paradox not crit me, which made Absorb more likely to catch it, which meant I didn't have to worry about Spark of Life using up all my Spirit. Admittedly, it wouldn't have mattered at the point shown in the screenshot. I was kind of on autopilot at that point...


Edit:

Proc on me:
Haste, Shield, Barrier, Shadow Veil, Absorb, Arcane Focus (only with Channeling on), Regen II.

Barrier?

This post has been edited by Sayo Aisaka: Jan 29 2010, 04:21

It made Perplexing Paradox not crit me, which made Absorb more likely to catch it, which meant I didn't have to worry about Spark of Life using up all my Spirit. Admittedly, it wouldn't have mattered at the point shown in the screenshot. I was kind of on autopilot at that point...

Ahhh, I hadn't thought of that.

Still, keeping Absorb, Spark, and Bewilder up must have been really mana intensive. I wonder if that's cheaper than using just Silence and having to cast the occasional Cure and Slow to keep alive through IPU's non-weakened melee swings.

I wonder if that's cheaper than using just Silence and having to cast the occasional Cure and Slow to keep alive through IPU's non-weakened melee swings.

I didn't have to use slow, and I think I used cure about 5 times which is not bad in such a long battle.

I did it!

REAL LIFE CLEARED!!!

I finally did it as a mage with all cloth and staff!
I got myself a Black T-Shirt!

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Same strategy here, but with better MP management this time, after upgrading my equipment, stats, and proficiencies a bit as well.

Thank you, 0 MP Magic Missile!

Yay!

I did it!

Yay!

Holy hell that took you a long time (round wise).

Beat Mikuru on my second try, thanks to a lot of advice from this thread. The fight itself wasn't really hard, it was remembering to keep Slow, Poison, Weaken, and Bewilder up at all times that was. I got lucky, Time Quake got Absorbed or missed entirely, so it didn't hit THIS time. It was nowhere near as mana-intensive as I feared (probably since I hit 110 today and maxed out HP/MP tanks, just after buying Innate Arcana III), I even threw in a couple of Banishes toward the end to speed things up. Poison hit for as much as 176 at one point, though it went back down to around 130 on the next cast. I used 2 Scrolls of the Gods and a Mana Elixir.

Interesting note: She had 0 HP at the end, yet I still had to hit her twice more for her to go down. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

235 10 You gain 25668 Credits!
235 9 You gain 11357.24 EXP!
235 8 Your HP and MP have been fully restored!
235 7 Arena Token Bonus! Received:
[Token of Healing]
235 6 Arena Clear Bonus! Received:
[Godly Mana Draught]
235 5 Mikuru Asahina dropped [Bunny-Girl Costume]
235 4 You are Victorious!
235 3 Mikuru Asahina has been defeated.
235 2 You crit Mikuru Asahina for 527 piercing damage.
235 1 You gain 0.02 points of one-handed weapon proficiency.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Why won't she go down?!
234 2 You gain the effect Overwhelming Strikes.
234 1 You hit Mikuru Asahina for 313 piercing damage.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 0 HP here.
233 5 The effect Hastened has expired.
233 4 The effect Shield has expired.
233 3 Spreading Poison hits Mikuru Asahina for 131 damage.
233 2 Mikuru Asahina misses the attack against you.
233 1 You hit Mikuru Asahina for 336 piercing damage.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
232 3 Banish hits Mikuru Asahina for 1793 holy damage.



Also, Congrats to you, EvoKing! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Interesting note: She had 0 HP at the end, yet I still had to hit her twice more for her to go down. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

I assume you are using the HV Stat script. Unless things have changed since I last used it, it does not actually subtract the damage from the beginning health. Instead, it guesses based on the fullness of the HP bar compared to the original HP value.

I assume you are using the HV Stat script. Unless things have changed since I last used it, it does not actually subtract the damage from the beginning health. Instead, it guesses based on the fullness of the HP bar compared to the original HP value.

I just found it interesting because it never happened with a boss that I can recall. Though considering how much HP Mikuru has, I'm not really shocked, either. And I'm using an older version of STAT on top of that. At any rate, another Banish would've wiped her out in one turn as opposed to the two it took with the rapier, so no biggie.

This post has been edited by dap00: Jan 30 2010, 21:40

How do I beat bosses while pure maging in IW? As of now, I poison them and whack them with my stick, but that takes way too long. I guess what I want is a spell that will murder them without costing too much mana. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

How do I beat bosses while pure maging in IW? As of now, I poison them and whack them with my stick, but that takes way too long. I guess what I want is a spell that will murder them without costing too much mana. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

Spam your highest tier AOE spell that they're weak to. When I run into bosses in IW, I occasionally have to chug a mana pot just for the boss, but it goes down in short order. Also, I always Slow and Weaken them, and usually Poison as well. That almost always procs Coalesced Mana (if it doesn't, I'll Magic Missile them a few times). With Slow, Coa will usually last long enough that it'll re-proc from damage spells before it falls off, so all your AOEs are half price.

Also, the ones that are supposedly "weak" to soul damage are really just "not resistant" to it. My Flames of Loki spell hits ManBearPig for three times as much as Soul Harvest. That might be from my super-high elemental prof, except that every other elemental spell hits him for about 1/3 as much as Soul Harvest. Basically, just don't bother with Soul Harvest on bosses unless you don't have spells of their elemental weakness.

EDIT: Yes, that means you need to spend some AP to pick up (at least) the highest tier of Fire, Cold, Holy, and Elec spells. But trust me, it's worth it. It used to take me several minutes to kill bosses as a mage, in both IW and arena. Then, I spent 12 AP to pick up Tier 3 Cold and Fire (I already had max-tier Holy and Elec), and now every boss dies in 20 seconds or less. They really just melt when you spam AOEs of their weakness.

This post has been edited by coredumperror: Jan 31 2010, 05:12

Mikuru down!

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I beat her on my 2 try (first time I forgot to change to my usual gear)

In the first try although I was aware of Mikuru being more difficult than Konata, I didn't thought there was a huge difference between, I mean I got only 1/6 of his HP down after my MP gone, so I fled.
(I didn't waste any Mana elixirs that way)

This time I engage her with the proper gear, and also used this robe which help me a lot (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
But still I have to use 2 Mana elixirs to get 1/2HP of is HP down, and I thought "what the hell?", I mean his spirit attack was no problem for me (I didn't need spark of life to protect me for it), but still I was using a lot of mana.
Technically, I still needed 3 Mana elixirs to kill her, then I remember, I wasn't using slow (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)
I only need 1 Mana elixir to take down the rest of his HP (yes, I used a scroll of gods that I had, but that was because I run out of MP, when I was about 5-6 hits to kill her, and since it was an item cheaper than using another mana elixir, I used it instead)
Using slow make me save 2/3 of Mana, so it's crucial to have. (also looking to the tips on wiki as well)

The strategic I used it was nothing especial: PA+poison, Regen+weaken+bewilder always up, and cure sometimes. (slow only used after her HP was 1/2 down, but it should be used from beginning)
I didn't used haste because...well I just wasn't in the mood of using it (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

Items used:3 Mana elixirs, and 1 scroll of gods
(If I wasn't a fool it could be only 2 Mana Elixirs)
Well, in any case I believe, I can say it was an easy victory (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)


Now about Ryouko and Yuki.
I known they are physical immune, but maybe I already can taken down as well, I just need to known a few things first:
They have about the same HP?
His attacks are about the same strength?
If it's true,can I use only the same strategic I used against Mikuru (I have 8 items slot, which give me 4X Mana pool) depending only on poison?
I also have purge, so I can use with PA, but I still need to raise my holy proficiency (~20)

This post has been edited by cmdct: Jan 31 2010, 17:11