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post Jan 20 2010, 02:21
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QUOTE(cmdct @ Jan 19 2010, 14:51) *
Although I have some questions:
Since the 3 of them are weak to holy does it means that the PA+Spirit Attack will cause less damage that it made at the others?
If I use a infusion of Divinity I suppose it resolves the problem or is going to make more damage?
And infusion of Gaia it will have the same effect? (since infuses the attacks with all elements, even with their resistant element)


Answers, in order:

1) Yes, your spirit attack will deal a lot less damage to Mikuru, Ryouko, and Yuki than it does to Konata. I'd suggest against relying on it.

2) Infusion of Divinity will make your physical attacks deal plenty of damage to them, but it's not really worth bringing. You'd do well to use the same strategy against Mikuru as you did against Konata (except don't bother with multiple spirit attacks), but Ryouko and Yuki require a completely different strategy. Check out the Advice for Experienced Players article on the wiki.

3) Infusion of Gaia increases all of your "elemental" ratings, which doesn't include Soul rating (and may not include Holy and Dark, but I'm not sure). The only real use for Infusion of Gaia is turning your melee attacks into Soul damage, so you can damage monsters like Real Life, which are immune to physical damage.

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post Jan 20 2010, 04:27
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QUOTE(marcho @ Jan 19 2010, 20:38) *

I'm pretty sure anyone that can get 50 holy mit, 25% evade and 20% parry with a strong bleed and PA offhand could finish it.

So basically all you need is equipment that's twice as good as anything that's currently available. Why didn't I thnk of that?
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post Jan 20 2010, 04:48
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Silk fleet still easily drops in the 5-6 range (hell these are in the bazaar now), 3x gets you to 16 evade, 100 agi brings it to 20, 3 ranks of aura to 23. if your tribless gear have 1 evade each, theres your 25. The parry rapier I used was a current ver. equip drop, and getting 50 holy mit using +10 from the holy spell rating is still perfectly doable.

The only part I'm unsure of is bleed damage, as that was pretty hefty bleed even before the equipment shank.
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post Jan 20 2010, 05:41
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QUOTE(marcho @ Jan 19 2010, 18:48) *
Silk fleet still easily drops in the 5-6 range (hell these are in the bazaar now), 3x gets you to 16 evade, 100 agi brings it to 20, 3 ranks of aura to 23. if your tribless gear have 1 evade each, theres your 25.


Don't forget the 2% Evade from the Ascended title.
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post Jan 20 2010, 06:16
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Evade isn't really the issue here. I was referring to getting 35 Holy mitigation from one piece of armour. That's almost twice as much as my best piece (which is also my worst piece, since it has 24 interference).
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post Jan 20 2010, 06:25
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35 in one piece isn't necessary, was just nice. 2x 18-20s would do it, and they still exist.
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post Jan 20 2010, 09:47
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Actually, it's not 35. It's about 37.5. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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post Jan 20 2010, 18:10
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QUOTE(marcho @ Jan 20 2010, 04:25) *

35 in one piece isn't necessary, was just nice. 2x 18-20s would do it, and they still exist.

True enough. This, for example, would be perfect if the interference didn't knock so much off my Poison damage. Like I said, it's both my best and my worst piece.
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post Jan 20 2010, 18:56
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QUOTE(hitokiri84 @ Jan 20 2010, 01:47) *

Actually, it's not 35. It's about 37.5. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)


It scaled down to 35 for me cause I havn't even come close to your godslayerness yet (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)
Out of idle curiosity, is there a reason you aren't using your godslayer title?


And yeah sayo, two cloth or leather pieces like that would do it with the boost you get from proficiency.

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post Jan 20 2010, 19:56
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QUOTE(marcho @ Jan 19 2010, 20:25) *

2x 18-20s would do it, and they still exist.

They are also fairly rare.
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post Jan 20 2010, 20:12
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Well, IPU isn't necessarily supposed to be easy, I'm just tryin to come up with a good way to kill it even using equipment found entirely under the current drop system. The only slot that worries me is the bleed axe, I don't know how high they drop anymore, although i've seen a fair diamond axe in the bazaar with near 180 so a fine or better one a good roll should still hit atleast 270+
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post Jan 20 2010, 20:28
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QUOTE(marcho @ Jan 20 2010, 10:56) *
Out of idle curiosity, is there a reason you aren't using your godslayer title?

Because I switch off between Heavy and Mage. There's no reason to stick with the -10% Interference bonus when you have 0 Interference as a mage.
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post Jan 20 2010, 20:29
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QUOTE(marcho @ Jan 20 2010, 10:12) *

Well, IPU isn't necessarily supposed to be easy, I'm just tryin to come up with a good way to kill it even using equipment found entirely under the current drop system. The only slot that worries me is the bleed axe, I don't know how high they drop anymore, although i've seen a fair diamond axe in the bazaar with near 180 so a fine or better one a good roll should still hit atleast 270+

I've got a strategy that I'll employ at 150 which seems replicate-able. I don't know if it will work though I'm hopeful. That people think they should be able to beat these beasts once they hit 100 seems a little absurd to me and that it has taken the use of impossibly good equipment to do it seems to confirm my opinion.
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post Jan 20 2010, 20:48
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Regen II and nerf should help. Planning on trying dark spells for damage? That should work. You'll still want reasonable holy mit though, at 10 mit IPU crits for about 40% of my health with hp tanks maxed out. But yeah, dark element damage should be able to sub in for high bleed, let us know how it goes.
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post Jan 20 2010, 21:17
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Actually, I've already tried the DW axe+rapier strategy on the IPU, and by my calculations I should be able to beat her with the weapons I currently have IF I can get my interference down while keeping a similar level of Holy mitigation. (Either that, or spend credits I don't have to get yet more item slots.) Well, I'm making some progress in that department, so we'll see. I also need to increase my DW proficiency, but using it for Item World is taking care of that.
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post Jan 21 2010, 02:34
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QUOTE(Boggyb @ Jan 20 2010, 09:56) *
They are also fairly rare.


They're not really all that rare. I got the holy-resist cloth cap from an arena reward, but I found all the rest of these in the bazaar, over the course of about two weeks back in December:
20.8% holy cloth helm
19% holy chain helm
19% dark cloth helm
19% dark cloth robe
18% holy cloth robe
20.3% holy cloth pants
22.3% holy chain pants (this one dropped off a monster last week)

In my experience, shoes and gloves seem to have less holy resist than other pieces. Finding really high-evade shoes and gloves, to supplement the other slots of holy resist, might be a viable gearing strategy.
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post Jan 22 2010, 23:17
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Invisible Pink Unicorn has been defeated.

478 13 You gain 102016 Credits!
478 12 You gain 35157.79 EXP!
478 11 Your HP and MP have been fully restored!
478 10 Arena Token Bonus! Received:
[Token of Healing]
478 9 Arena Clear Bonus! Received:
[Godly Health Potion]
478 8 Invisible Pink Unicorn dropped [Unicorn Horn]
478 7 You are Victorious!
478 6 Refreshment restores you with 46 points of spirit.
478 5 Replenishment restores you with 65 points of magic.
478 4 Regeneration restores you with 331 points of health.
478 3 Regen restores you with 135 points of health.
478 2 Invisible Pink Unicorn has been defeated.
478 1 You unleash Concrete Donkey on Invisible Pink Unicorn for 6523 soul damage.

Battle events of note:
Spreading Poison hits Invisible Pink Unicorn for 244 damage.
Spreading Poison hits Invisible Pink Unicorn for 226 damage.

Pestilence hits Invisible Pink Unicorn for 1537 dark damage.
Pestilence hits Invisible Pink Unicorn for 1802 dark damage.
Pestilence hits Invisible Pink Unicorn for 1671 dark damage.
Pestilence hits Invisible Pink Unicorn for 1967 dark damage.

Invisible Pink Unicorn hits you for 262 holy damage.
Invisible Pink Unicorn hits you for 272 holy damage.
Invisible Pink Unicorn hits you for 205 holy damage.
Invisible Pink Unicorn hits you for 257 holy damage.
Invisible Pink Unicorn hits you for 233 holy damage.

Invisible Pink Unicorn crits you for 402 holy damage.
Invisible Pink Unicorn crits you for 345 holy damage.

Regen restores you with 135 points of health.

Strategy employed:
-Silence- All times- I was shitting myself when he resisted 3 times in a row and it lapsed.
-Had Haste set to IA (level 3)
-PA + Pestilence + Poison

Items Used:
1 Scroll of the Avatar
1 Infusion of Darkness (my attack did something like 250 with it. Not worth it)
10 Mana Elixirs
1 Last Elixir (I MIGHT have been able to beat him without it. I had about 90 MP (Pesitlence costs 30 MP) and about half health. I sure as hell wasn't taking any chances.)

Items Left-over:
1 Last Elixir

Relevant Stats:
Magical attack- +7 % damage
+19.4 % evade
+40.2 % parry
7.7 interference
38.1 burden
Holy damage- 81.8 % mitigation (I have both sets of Holy Spells maxed)

Equipment set-up:
Rapier
Dagger
Cap- Borrowed from Core
Robe
Gloves
Pants- Borrowed from Core
Shoes- Borrowed from Core

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post Jan 23 2010, 01:03
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Congrats, Boggy!

Well, after I read your post, I became inspired so I put on all my Thrice-Blessed gear and used my regular weapons and I defeated IPU, too. Whoo! \o/

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I used Mana Elixirs and a couple of Infusions of Gaia and a Scroll of Darkness. Toward the end, I got tired of clicking so I finished it off with my spirit attack.

Is that all of us now who have defeated the Unicorn? Now on to the Spaghetti thing!
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post Jan 23 2010, 03:05
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Grats Boggy! I was really rooting for your strategy to work, and you pulled it off!

QUOTE(Tenseigamoon @ Jan 22 2010, 15:03) *
Is that all of us now who have defeated the Unicorn? Now on to the Spaghetti thing!


I gave him a shot with my 61.5% dark resist set, an offhand rapier, and an eth axe with a semi-decent bleed that I borrowed. My evade was in the 30s, and my parry in the 20s. I didn't stand a ghost of a chance.

Flying Spaghetti Monster has about 60% more HP than IPU, takes about 40-50% less damage from poison than IPU, and my PA+Banish casts were hitting him for 800-1000 (with 25 holy rating, ~86 divine prof, and ~7 interference). That tells me that FSM has significantly higher Barrier Rating than IPU.

He was also attacking faster than IPU; with Haste on me and Slow on him, I was getting noticeably fewer double-attacks on him. He was hitting me for ~50% more than IPU, though some of that is because I had 9% less Dark resist than Holy.

Now that I've got Rainbow Aura, I'm going to save up for IA 4, and then give him a shot once I reach 150. I want the biggest mana efficiency advantage I can get, as well as Regen II and the 5% dark resist from ratings.
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post Jan 23 2010, 07:07
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I gave the FSM a try today and I put on some dark resist gear (but I didn't have a full set of it) and I used a couple of Infusions of Divinity and some Infusions of Gaia but I only got halfway through. So yeah, he's pretty tough.

Is there something else I should be using against it? What items work best? I think I even used Bubble Gum but that didn't do shit.
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