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I once killed a boss in 2 hits. The first hit PA'ed him. The second hit was my legendary. Is that info helpful for people? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

First of all, we don't even have a Legendary skill anymore. Second of all, if you did use it, you were in Legacy mode and we don't have PA there. It was helpful for a laugh, though.

One time, I fought a boss and it turned me into a newt. But then I got better.

First of all, we don't even have a Legendary skill anymore. Second of all, if you did use it, you were in Legacy mode and we don't have PA there. It was helpful for a laugh, though.

One time, I fought a boss and it turned me into a newt. But then I got better.

Legendary. Spirit. Same thing.
But I did kill one in two hits. It was quite awesome. Not that I have trouble killing them anyway.

Bosses aren't that big of a deal anymore, they're just tedious to kill if you don't have a ATTACK ITS WEAK POINT FOR MASSIVE DAMAGE tactic to exploit. I've graduated to OMG LEGENDARIES ARE HARD. =X

Bosses aren't that big of a deal anymore, they're just tedious to kill if you don't have a ATTACK ITS WEAK POINT FOR MASSIVE DAMAGE tactic to exploit. I've graduated to OMG LEGENDARIES ARE HARD. =X

On that note. I finally got 2 tokens of Blood (I swear Tenboro turned them off for me because I was complaining too much).

272 16 You gain 25617 Credits!
272 15 You gain 7768.14 EXP!
272 14 Your HP and MP have been fully restored!
272 13 Arena Token Bonus! Received:
[Token of Healing]
272 12 Arena Clear Bonus! Received:
[Superior Mana Draught]
272 11 Mikuru Asahina dropped [Bunny-Girl Costume]
272 10 You are Victorious!

Took 5 Godly Mana Draughts, 1 Spirit Elixir (pretty much wasted, but as I ran out of SP from my spark, I was not taking chances), 1 Infusion of Gaia, and 1 Scroll of the Avatar.

I just employed the standard strategy of Weaken, Bewilder, PA+ Poison and smacked her to death.

I forgot to turn Shadow Veil on in my auto-cast which was my shiny special strategy that I forgot to employ. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

Edit:
More info:
I run a DW cloth/light build and was able to resist/evade a number of magic/spirit attacks (I counted at least 3 though it was probably more than that with as long as the battle went on.).

Here are my Avoidance stats (which I'm proud of):
+26.1 % evade
+0 % block
+28 % parry
+23.6 % resist

This post has been edited by Boggyb: Dec 17 2009, 17:44

RYOUKO DOWN!

Here's my log, as it happened:

0 2 Spawned Monster A: MID=22 (Ryouko Asakura) LV=74 HP=62730 MP=12 SP=4 NA=73 Type=hostile
0 1 Initializing arena challenge #107 (Round 1 / 1) ...
0 0 Battle Start!

NICE! Got a minimum-level Ryouko (I'm lvl 79). Now to actually fight her...

PA is up:
You crit Ryouko Asakura for 1 piercing damage.
LOL!

Fortunately:
37 3 Ryouko Asakura misses the attack against you.
37 2 Ryouko Asakura uses Impaler
Also fortunately:
Purge blasts Ryouko Asakura for 1319 holy damage.

Sayo's method of PA+AOE Holy is working fairly well so far.

Oops, forgot PA:
Purge blasts Ryouko Asakura for 117 holy damage.

Go go evasion!:
98 3 You evade the attack from Ryouko Asakura.
98 2 Ryouko Asakura uses Impaler

That's 2 Imaplers that failed to hit so far.

Bwah?!:
129 2 Your offhand hits Ryouko Asakura for 6 slashing damage.
129 1 You hit Ryouko Asakura for 1 piercing damage.

Why would my offhand hit for 6 when my mainhand is consistently hitting for 1? So confused....

That's 3!
153 3 You evade the attack from Ryouko Asakura.
153 2 Ryouko Asakura uses Impaler


VICTORY!
189 13 You gain 25618 Credits!
189 12 You gain 3930.08 EXP!
189 11 Your HP and MP have been fully restored!
189 10 Arena Token Bonus! Received:
[Token of Healing]
189 9 Arena Clear Bonus! Received:
[Average Leather Gauntlets of Protection]
189 8 Ryouko Asakura dropped [Hinamatsuri Doll]
189 7 You are Victorious!
189 6 The effect Hastened has expired.
189 5 Regen restores you with 44 points of health.
189 4 Ryouko Asakura has been defeated.
189 3 Purge hits Ryouko Asakura for 823 holy damage.
189 2 You cast Purge.

Items used: 2 Scroll of the Gods and 4 Mana Elixirs (it's really costly to spend 11 mana every time I want to deal more than 1 damage!).

Since she has no magical attacks, I just kept Weaken up at all times, and cast Purge each time PA proced, while also keeping Poison up (applied during PA). Purge would deal around 750-800 with just PA, and around 800-900 with PA + Breached Defense. Poison was ticking for between 99-115.

Spike Shot, Ryokuo's regular skill, dealt about ~250 soul damage to me, when it hit. I have no idea if the Spark effect from Scroll of the Gods was needed, since Impaler missed me every time. The 25% Shadow Veil effect probably had something to do with that though, since Impaler is a Physical attack, so I wouldn't say that the Scrolls were useless.

My gear loadout against Ryouko was Dual-Wield with 29% parry, and all cloth armor. I could have gone with 1H+Shield against Ryouko, but my offhand has 14% base parry, so I didn't lose much evasion but I gained stats and lost some interference compared to wearing my 22.5% block shield. Which is important because all my damage is magical, and even <25 interference messes with offensive magic attacks. The excellent Superior Gold-trimmed Gossamer Robe of the Elementalist that I got from boxospam gives me an enormous magical advantage compared to my plate chest. I just wish that I could clear it in IW without blowing every single item in my inventory. Superiors are hard!

I'm gonna go try on Yuki now. She has magical attacks, though, so it's gonna be 1H+Shield and Weaken+Bewilder this time.

EDIT: Forgot to post my abilities build:

I would have liked to have the last 3 points in Redemption for the Holy Rating, but I didn't want to wait (I'm impatient sometimes, heh). I also had Haste and Shield on Auto-Cast (3 ranks of Innate Arcana makes that cost 1MP per turn), but I'd manually cast them each time I used a Mana Elixir. Since most of the MP restore from an Elixir goes to waste if you don't use a bunch of mana while it's active, manually casting them meant I didn't have to pay their auto-cast upkeep while they ticked down. So by using up mana that would have gone to waste anyway, I'd save mana on my auto-cast upkeep later.

I also kept Regen running the whole time, and supplemented it with Cure when my HP dropped below 1k.

This post has been edited by coredumperror: Dec 17 2009, 23:30

YUKI DOWN!

Boy I'm lucky today:
30 3 You evade the attack from Yuki Nagato.
30 2 Yuki Nagato casts Data Rewrite

Tee hee...
78 4 Yuki Nagato misses the attack against you.
78 3 Yuki Nagato casts Data Rewrite

With PA and Bubble-Gum:
105 2 Purge blasts Yuki Nagato for 3440 holy damage.
105 1 You cast Purge.

Whew! Used that second scroll just in time!
127 3 The hostile spell is drained. You gain 17 Magic Points.
127 2 Yuki Nagato casts Data Rewrite
127 1 You hit Yuki Nagato for 1 piercing damage.
126 5 Regen restores you with 44 points of health.
126 4 You gain the effect Spark of Life.
126 3 You gain the effect Shadow Veil.
126 2 You gain the effect Absorbing Ward.
126 1 You use Scroll of the Gods.

What is it with my luck today?!
196 5 You block the attack from Yuki Nagato.
196 4 Yuki Nagato casts Data Rewrite


VICTORY!
208 10 You gain 25618 Credits!
208 9 You gain 3933.24 EXP!
208 8 Your HP and MP have been fully restored!
208 7 Arena Token Bonus! Received:
[Token of Healing]
208 6 Arena Clear Bonus! Received:
[Superior Health Draught]
208 5 Yuki Nagato dropped [Broken Glasses]
208 4 You are Victorious!
208 3 Regen restores you with 44 points of health.
208 2 Yuki Nagato has been defeated.
208 1 You unleash Kame Hame HAAAA!!1 on Yuki Nagato for 5868 soul damage.

Items used: 4 Mana Elixir, 2 Scroll of the Gods, 1 Bubble-Gum. I brought the Bubble-Gum because I wanted to record it's exact effect, for the wiki. And I wanted to hit really hard for a few turns (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif).


Here's the exact effect of Bubble-Gum:
Kicking Ass: Your attacks and spells deal significantly more damage for a short time, will always hit, and will always land critical hits. Lasts 7 turns.

Bubble-Gum also provides a super-powered Replenishment and Regeneration effect, which I believe is the same strength as a Mana Elixir and a Health Elixir, though it lasts 7 turns instead of 10. Unfortunately, I'd taken a Mana Elixir just a few turns earlier, so the mana part was mostly wasted (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif).


The battle went pretty similarly to Ryouko, except for Yuki being noticeably more likely to resist my Purges. Yuki takes a bit less damage from Holy spells compared to Ryouko, too. PA+Breached Purges were dealing only about 800, rather than up to 900. Stoic Staredown hit me for ~350 Soul damage.

I kept Weaken, Bewilder, and Poison up at all times (poison ticked for 80-110), and like against Ryouko, I'd cast Purge several times whenever PA proced (since my Rapier has 4-turn PA). The fight lasted around 20 rounds longer than Ryouko, even though the Bubble-Gum I used probably shaved a good 10-15 rounds off the normal length of the fight.

All in all, I'd say that Yuki is a little bit harder than Ryouko, due to the necessity of using Bewilder and her apparently higher magic resist %, plus her tendency to take less damage from Purge when it does land. At least, I would say that if I had any idea how hard Data Rewrite and Impaler would hit for! ARG! I'm too lucky.

This post has been edited by coredumperror: Dec 18 2009, 02:17

Oh, god. I was annoyed that it was going to cost me approximately 4,000 C to beat the higher legendaries because I would need to reset my abilities twice, but I just realized that my magic proficiencies are TERRIBLE. I'm not going to beat a legendary using holy magic when my divine prof is 9.78...

Oh, god. I was annoyed that it was going to cost me approximately 4,000 C to beat the higher legendaries because I would need to reset my abilities twice, but I just realized that my magic proficiencies are TERRIBLE. I'm not going to beat a legendary using holy magic when my divine prof is 9.78...

I found a really effective (though boring a hell) method for remedying proficiency issues. Find yourself a high level item in which you can go for at least 100 IW rounds without taking any more damage than your natural battle-regen will account for (for me, that's the lvl 160 Flimsy Axe that Uth(?) gave me, played on Cake).

Then put on the armor and weapons that you need to prof up, and whack stuff in that item world while casting your cheapest spell every so often. I get 1 MP per 5 turns from battle regen, so I cast Condem (6 MP) once every ~20 turns, and Mana second winds plus lesser draughts/potions restore my mana enough to go as far as I want before fleeing and starting over, so that I don't lock my item for 24 hours.

It takes forever (I watch Family Guy while I do it), but it's gotten me up to near montage-cap on everything except Forbidden Prof (since I can't cast Dark spells yet), and all 3 armor types are almost level-capped. If you've got the credits to buy a ton of lesser mana resotatives (or a bunch of spares in your inventory), it would likely be faster to just spam grindfests and the low arenas while casting your spells and using mana items in repetition.

I has an idea.

We have lots of info across several threads about how people have beaten Boss+ monsters. How about we collect together the info on the players, their approximate level range, item/equipment load-outs or build type, and maybe some general comments about their experience of everyone who has killed these monsters in the Arena/Ring together in one thread? That way people can have a quick reference to see what kinds of builds have successfully been used to kill them. The page would be broken down by Bosses (they're about equivalent in strength while the higher categories have some more variance), each Legendary, and each God. Then every person who has a reported kill of each will be listed with the relevant info.

I think this is an excellent idea

After playing around some in Ring of Blood it looks like the legendary bosses are equally weak to darkness spells. Took a bunch of greater draughts into a fight with mikuru, got her down to 10ish% before I ran out of items playing as a full caster just doing a holy/darkness rotation, too bad my ET proc kind of sucked on the staff I was using but I wanted the extra dmg. It would have been faster and easier with a PA though. Was wearing a couple pieces of heaven sent so my prof in forbidden, and divine were about the same.... just remembered I have more holy rating then dark, and they were doing about the same damage so maybe the legendaries are slightly more vulnerable to dark then holy.

This post has been edited by uth: Dec 18 2009, 15:25

Unless it's been changed in the past couple of releases, the only one more vulnerable to Dark than Holy is Konata.

Unless it's been changed in the past couple of releases, the only one more vulnerable to Dark than Holy is Konata.

I was actually doing slightly less dmg with dark, but since I have less rating in dark I figured given that they are the same tier cost-wise if I had 10 more dark rating it should actually do more dmg then holy, but based off one fight I can't say anything definitively.

Level 127 Ryouko defeated at Level 128

132 11 You gain 25616 Credits!
132 10 You gain 7677.29 EXP!
132 9 Your HP and MP have been fully restored!
132 8 Arena Token Bonus! Received:
[Token of Healing]
132 7 Arena Clear Bonus! Received:
[Superior Mana Draught]
132 6 Ryouko Asakura dropped [Hinamatsuri Doll]
132 5 You are Victorious!
132 4 Regen restores you with 100 points of health.
132 3 Ryouko Asakura has been defeated.
132 2 Banish hits Ryouko Asakura for 1780 holy damage.

I respec'ed my abilities, maxed out HP/MP/SP tanks.
Fought with Shield/Shadow Veil on auto-cast.
Regen and Spark of life were up at all times.
Maxed out both tiers of Holy and use PA + Banish to kill her with poison doing a little on top.

Ended up using 3 mana elixirs though the 3rd was precautionary and possibly could have been avoided with a little luck (not that I was leaving things against a legendary up to chance...).

Unlike Core, I got hit with her spirit attack and it hurt like a mother fucker. Though that could be said of all legendaries spirit attacks.

My avoidance stats:
Avoidance
+30.2 % evade
+0 % block
+37.7 % parry
+20.6 % resist

Interestingly enough, despite wearing 3 pieces of Cheetah silk (and 1 other silk and 1 gossamer) and having +30 AGI on top of my above level AGI stats, I got double hit at least once.

Edit:

Level 124 Yuki at Level 128

114 16 You gain 25617 Credits!
114 15 You gain 7668.82 EXP!
114 14 Your HP and MP have been fully restored!
114 13 Arena Token Bonus! Received:
[Token of Healing]
114 12 Arena Clear Bonus! Received:
[Fine Emerald Longsword of Slaughter]
114 11 Yuki Nagato dropped [Broken Glasses]
114 10 You are Victorious!

Employed the exact same strategy as versus Ryouko but ended up using 2 Mana Elixirs and 1 Scroll of the Avatar.
I did something like 200 damage more to her with my Banish than versus Ryouko and that along with her being lower level resulted in a quicker and easier fight.

This post has been edited by Boggyb: Dec 21 2009, 07:18

I know I'm Double Posting, but I want people to see this question:
Does anyone have any strategies to use against Real Life?
I searched this subforum and did not see anything other than Kleenex's thread and it appears he has an ethereal weapon.
Is an ethereal weapon basically required or can people use magic like the use of Holy against Ryouko and Yuki?

This post has been edited by Boggyb: Dec 21 2009, 07:36

Unlike Core, I got hit with her spirit attack and it hurt like a mother fucker.

Interestingly enough, despite wearing 3 pieces of Cheetah silk (and 1 other silk and 1 gossamer) and having +30 AGI on top of my above level AGI stats, I got double hit at least once.

Congrats on the kills, Boggy! I'm glad that I could be of some help there. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

May I ask how much her spirit attack hit for, compared to your total HP? Was Spark necessary to survive it?

To completely prevent double-hits, you'd need to have less total time units taken per action than Ryouko, so my guess is that your speed was very similar to, but slightly lower than hers. As your turns slowly moved further and further out of sync, she eventually got to take a double turn.

I'd highly recommend adding Haste to your auto-cast set for tough fights, since it gives a very sizable action speed buff. It only costs me .5 MP per turn, and it effectively reduces my damage taken in the long run by about 20%, since monsters get to take 20% less turns against me before I kill them.

EDIT: It also has a exceptionally strong benefit for PA, since PA's duration only goes down on each of the target's turns. With Haste, my 4-turn rapier often lets me get in 5 or even 6 attacks before PA fades, since I get more turns than my target in that time frame.

Is an ethereal weapon basically required or can people use magic like the use of Holy against Ryouko and Yuki?

All I know is that Real Life is resistant to all offensive magic classes (dark, holy, all elements), except Soul. So, you might be able to use PA+Soul Harvest to good effect, but I'm not high enough level to fight him and test that (anyone want to volunteer?). There's also the possibility that, if you have enough item slots, you could bring a mix of Infusions of Gaea and Mana Elixirs. The Gaea ones last for 50 turns, so I wouldn't be surprised if you could have one active for the whole fight, while still bringing enough Elixirs to maintain your mana pool.

This post has been edited by coredumperror: Dec 21 2009, 11:07

Congrats on the kills, Boggy! I'm glad that I could be of some help there. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

May I ask how much her spirit attack hit for, compared to your total HP? Was Spark necessary to survive it?

I honestly don't remember. It was enough to kill me, but I kept around 2/3 of my max the whole battle, so I can't say.

I'd highly recommend adding Haste to your auto-cast set for tough fights, since it gives a very sizable action speed buff. It only costs me .5 MP per turn, and it effectively reduces my damage taken in the long run by about 20%, since monsters get to take 20% less turns against me before I kill them.

EDIT: It also has a exceptionally strong benefit for PA, since PA's duration only goes down on each of the target's turns. With Haste, my 4-turn rapier often lets me get in 5 or even 6 attacks before PA fades, since I get more turns than my target in that time frame.

Thats actually a good idea. I might switch out shield for battles in Ring of Blood as it is infinitely less helpful than normal. Of course, the scroll of the avatar I put in my scroll slot gives me haste, so maybe it would be unnecessary.

All I know is that Real Life is resistant to all offensive magic classes (dark, holy, all elements), except Soul. So, you might be able to use PA+Soul Harvest to good effect, but I'm not high enough level to fight him and test that (anyone want to volunteer?). There's also the possibility that, if you have enough item slots, you could bring a mix of Infusions of Gaea and Mana Elixirs. The Gaea ones last for 50 turns, so I wouldn't be surprised if you could have one active for the whole fight, while still bringing enough Elixirs to maintain your mana pool.

That sounds like another thing I have to spam to get up to snuff. Sigh...

Thats actually a good idea. I might switch out shield for battles in Ring of Blood as it is infinitely less helpful than normal. Of course, the scroll of the avatar I put in my scroll slot gives me haste, so maybe it would be unnecessary.

Hmmm, good point about the scroll. The scroll effect of Haste is +100 action speed, which is stronger than the Haste spell can be until you get 200 Supportive Prof. Unfortunately, Tenboro didn't increase the Scroll of Swiftness's duration when he boosted the Haste spell's duration, so even the double-duration benefit from Scroll of the Avatar only lasts 46 turns (hint hint, Tenb (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)).

That sounds like another thing I have to spam to get up to snuff. Sigh...

Yeah, I'm not looking forward to doing that again when I get to level 100 for the Soul spells.

Speaking of spells and levels, would anyone who knows any of the level 150+ ability tiers be kind enough to fill them in on the wiki page?

I'm two tokens away and have not beaten Real Life, but I'd like to collect info on the IPU so I can do them both at once before resetting my abilities again. I know it does Holy damage so I should stock up on Holy Mitigating Armor. The information I (and the bestiary) lack is what it is weak to. Since it does Holy damage, I assume the answer is not holy. So, am I to stick with Soul? Has anyone been able to do it without an ethereal weapon?

I'm two tokens away and have not beaten Real Life, but I'd like to collect info on the IPU so I can do them both at once before resetting my abilities again. I know it does Holy damage so I should stock up on Holy Mitigating Armor. The information I (and the bestiary) lack is what it is weak to. Since it does Holy damage, I assume the answer is not holy. So, am I to stick with Soul? Has anyone been able to do it without an ethereal weapon?

I'm pretty sure that everyone that has beaten IPU used an ethereal weapon, I don't think anyone has even tried it without one, but he is darkness weak if I remember correctly... not that it helps you since you don't get that spell till 150.

I'm pretty sure that everyone that has beaten IPU used an ethereal weapon, I don't think anyone has even tried it without one, but he is darkness weak if I remember correctly... not that it helps you since you don't get that spell till 150.

Come to think of it, has anyone beaten Real Life without an eth weapon? You know, I really don't feel like being the person to blaze that trail, beating a Godly only using magic.

Edit:
If it has not been done before, it has been done now. So, tell me, was I the first?

This post has been edited by Boggyb: Dec 23 2009, 08:56