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Looks like beating some of these guys just got a little harder.

Here's the story. Ran into a Mithra when doing Item World. Tried to fight her, but as usual I had the wrong equipment, not to mention she had about twice her normal HP because of the difficulty setting. Bleeding Wound just wasn't doing enough damage, and I only had Lesser items backing me up. So I ran away.

Still, neither her magic nor spirit attack were anywhere near strong enough to kill me in one shot. They were probably a little weaker than normal due to the equipment quality and so on, but it looked like I had a good chance of fighting her for real in the Ring of Blood. Only one way to find out: I fought her, I won. With Shield, Barrier, Weaken and Bewilder no attack took off more than half of my HP.

In the interests of updating the Wiki with some damage types, I took on Manbearpig... and this happened.

Before

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After

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That's annoying in so many ways I don't even know where to start.

That's annoying in so many ways I don't even know where to start.

These bosses have many ways of screwing us over (I once got crit by undress with 7/8 hp and it's an instant kill). Scroll of the Avatar goes a long way I guess. It's xxpensive but I'm sure it can help prevent damage better than any Godly health draught or Godly mana draughts against bosses like MBP and really big mobs in arena.

This post has been edited by Ratio: Nov 6 2009, 07:08

Looks like beating some of these guys just got a little harder.

That is not good. I want to take on the Invisible Pink Unicorn soon, and if it got harder I'm screwed. Also, how many points in bewilder do you have?

This post has been edited by DemonEyesBob: Nov 6 2009, 07:08

That is not good. I want to take on the Invisible Pink Unicorn soon, and if it got harder I'm screwed. Also, how many points in bewilder do you have?

More points just increases length according to the tooltip.

More points just increases length according to the tooltip.

I'm pretty sure you need all 5 points to get the 50% damage reduction. Could be wrong though.

These bosses have many ways of screwing us over (I once got crit by undress with 7/8 hp and it's an instant kill). Scroll of the Avatar goes a long way I guess. It's xxpensive but I'm sure it can help prevent damage better than any Godly health draught or Godly mana draughts against bosses like MBP and really big mobs in arena.

I don't know... A Scroll of the Avatar certainly would be useful, but I can get a lot of healing out of a Godly Mana Draught. The problem is, if Global Warming hits that hard, it might not stop a crit from killing me. I think I'd rather have some Scrolls of Life. In fact, I will take Scrolls of Life next time. Or maybe even Scrolls of the Gods.

I'm pretty sure you need all 5 points to get the 50% damage reduction. Could be wrong though.

I've got 5 points and it takes off 50%. I realised I was assuming it worked like Weaken, but it didn't actually say that anywhere, so I let a Green Slime Jiggle me a bit to check the numbers.

Oh god. Invisible Pink Unicorn must have a 50% crit chance. It hurrrrts!

so I'm guessing you tried just silencing him...

although trying to keep spark of life up for 3k...ish turns would be a mana killer

This post has been edited by uth: Nov 7 2009, 08:22

so I'm guessing you tried just silencing him...

although trying to keep spark of life up for 3k...ish turns would be a mana killer

I'm using silence, not weaken. Regular hits aren't too bad, though my parry is half its usually amount, but he crits like 50% of the time.

This post has been edited by DemonEyesBob: Nov 7 2009, 08:36

how much holy mitigation you have?

how much holy mitigation you have?

LOTS

Yeah, wasn't quite honest about "Regular hits aren't too bad". Lemme clarify: regular hits reduced by 80% aren't too bad (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) Honestly, it would probably be possible with 50% mitigation, but it would take a LOT more mana elixirs then I'll end up using.

Edit:

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I can now give advice on beating the Invisible Pink Unicorn.

1. Have LOTS of holy mitigation. It is probably possible to win with just 50% mitigation, but you will probably use 10 mana elixirs, and you will be a lot less happy as you battle because the IPU has somewhere between 35-50% crit chance. You will be using regen the whole time, and unless you have very good evade and parry, it will not keep up with damage you're taking. Having high mitigation also means you will just need to use silence, which is good.

2. You will need either a high proc chance ethereal rapier or axe with massive bleed, or both.

3. Spirit is not worth using. 330 overcharge + flower vase + penetrated armor = You unleash LoL on Invisible Pink Unicorn for 31,803 soul damage. Save the slots needed for the vase and soul stone for elixirs. That was 7% of his health.

It is definitely possible for people to beat, but having holy mitigation is key.

This post has been edited by DemonEyesBob: Nov 7 2009, 09:32

Look who the expert is all of a sudden. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Congrats.

Look who the expert is all of a sudden. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Congrats.

Thanks (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) I don't get credit for all of this, you helped a bit (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

This post has been edited by DemonEyesBob: Nov 7 2009, 09:47

did you dual wield ethereal weps? and did you really get your holy mitigation up to 80... damn. Think the best I could do was 68

did you dual wield ethereal weps? and did you really get your holy mitigation up to 80... damn. Think the best I could do was 68

80.3% holy mitigation

I dual wielded my ethereal rapier (obviously) and instead of using offhand ethereal dagger, I used an axe of massive bleed, about 2500dmg each time it proc'd. Considering non-pa attacks did 50-60dmg, and pa+poison did 150-250 per turn, it was very nice to have.

This post has been edited by DemonEyesBob: Nov 7 2009, 10:05

Managed to beat one of legendary monsters from Ring of Blood for second time. It seems it wasn't necessary for me to bring many potions to take on White Bunneh =/

White Bunneh attempted without Silence:

70 8 Arena Token Bonus! Received:
[Token of Blood]
70 7 Arena Clear Bonus! Received:
[Fine Titanium Dagger of the Cheetah]
70 6 White Bunneh dropped [Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch]

The dagger was better than what I got from trading in the Hand Grenade. Nice to get a decent clear bonus for once.

I took Scrolls of Life - and it's a good thing I did. Even though he was Weakened, OM NOM NOM NOM took off 2/3 ofmy health, and would have killed me if I hadn't used the Scroll. If I kept my health at maximum all the time, well, I would have survived that one, but a crit would probably still kill me. Plus casting Cure every time my HP dropped a little would eat up ridiculous amounts of time and mana. So: Scrolls of Life are recommended.

I used the Token to fight Dalek - and didn't need the Scroll to save me. He hit me with Brain Sucker twice and each time it took off about 50% of my HP. That's more annoying than dangerous. (provided he doesn't get a double hit and use Death Ray on the same turn...) I had 17.7% Fire mitigation though, so perhaps its strength isn't actually any different from OM NOM NOM NOM. But it certainly seems weaker than Global Warming.

So, based on my vast experience of fighting each one-token boss once since losing Silence (except Mithra - I had a looong battle with her in Item World), here's a provisional ranking according to the power of their spirit attacks:

1. Manbearpig
2. White Bunneh
3. Dalek
4. Mithra

YMMV.


Next, Konata. I think Elixirs and Scrolls of the Gods may be called for...

White Bunneh attempted without Silence:

70 8 Arena Token Bonus! Received:
[Token of Blood]
70 7 Arena Clear Bonus! Received:
[Fine Titanium Dagger of the Cheetah]
70 6 White Bunneh dropped [Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch]

The dagger was better than what I got from trading in the Hand Grenade. Nice to get a decent clear bonus for once.

I took Scrolls of Life - and it's a good thing I did. Even though he was Weakened, OM NOM NOM NOM took off 2/3 ofmy health, and would have killed me if I hadn't used the Scroll. If I kept my health at maximum all the time, well, I would have survived that one, but a crit would probably still kill me. Plus casting Cure every time my HP dropped a little would eat up ridiculous amounts of time and mana. So: Scrolls of Life are recommended.

I used the Token to fight Dalek - and didn't need the Scroll to save me. He hit me with Brain Sucker twice and each time it took off about 50% of my HP. That's more annoying than dangerous. (provided he doesn't get a double hit and use Death Ray on the same turn...) I had 17.7% Fire mitigation though, so perhaps its strength isn't actually any different from OM NOM NOM NOM. But it certainly seems weaker than Global Warming.

So, based on my vast experience of fighting each one-token boss once since losing Silence (except Mithra - I had a looong battle with her in Item World), here's a provisional ranking according to the power of their spirit attacks:

1. Manbearpig
2. White Bunneh
3. Dalek
4. Mithra

YMMV.
Next, Konata. I think Elixirs and Scrolls of the Gods may be called for...

Use silence and bring a few shield scrolls, then you wont need to heal as much.

This post has been edited by Eutopia: Nov 9 2009, 02:10

- Introduced the deprecating spell Bewilder at level 80, which is basically Weaken for magic. Silence has been bumped to level 110.

White Bunneh attempted without Silence:

70 8 Arena Token Bonus! Received:
[Token of Blood]
70 7 Arena Clear Bonus! Received:
[Fine Titanium Dagger of the Cheetah]
70 6 White Bunneh dropped [Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch]

The dagger was better than what I got from trading in the Hand Grenade. Nice to get a decent clear bonus for once.

I took Scrolls of Life - and it's a good thing I did. Even though he was Weakened, OM NOM NOM NOM took off 2/3 ofmy health, and would have killed me if I hadn't used the Scroll. If I kept my health at maximum all the time, well, I would have survived that one, but a crit would probably still kill me. Plus casting Cure every time my HP dropped a little would eat up ridiculous amounts of time and mana. So: Scrolls of Life are recommended.

I used the Token to fight Dalek - and didn't need the Scroll to save me. He hit me with Brain Sucker twice and each time it took off about 50% of my HP. That's more annoying than dangerous. (provided he doesn't get a double hit and use Death Ray on the same turn...) I had 17.7% Fire mitigation though, so perhaps its strength isn't actually any different from OM NOM NOM NOM. But it certainly seems weaker than Global Warming.

So, based on my vast experience of fighting each one-token boss once since losing Silence (except Mithra - I had a looong battle with her in Item World), here's a provisional ranking according to the power of their spirit attacks:

1. Manbearpig
2. White Bunneh
3. Dalek
4. Mithra

YMMV.


Next, Konata. I think Elixirs and Scrolls of the Gods may be called for...

Thanks for the advice.

BTW....a long-standing question that I've always neglected to ask:

What do the Thread 'terms' "tl;dr" and "YMMV" mean, respectively??

(I've never been one to just latch onto some popular saying or piece of leetspeek for no good reason, LOL...... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) )