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post Apr 14 2019, 21:16
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QUOTE(Canico @ Apr 14 2019, 21:10) *

Currently I'm using the Superior Fiery Club of the Nimble .
Oh, sorry. I mixed up mace with club.

QUOTE(Canico @ Apr 14 2019, 21:10) *

Is there some sort of damage calculator or something where I can input stats to see what items are better?

Sure there is.
Live percental ranges
But i am not sure how accurate it actually is with sup or exq equipment.
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post Apr 14 2019, 21:17
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Oops, no that was my bad. I said "mace" in my posts when I should've said "club"
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post Apr 14 2019, 21:17
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The damage output isn't the only thing that matters you know.
Within the weapons you've stated, the wakizashi is your best bet if you want to succeed easier.
It may not have as much damage output as a club or an axe, but its parry is very valuable to defend yourself.
Furthermore, it's hallowed, so its elemental strike will help you against schoolgirls.
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post Apr 14 2019, 21:52
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Is the easter event about to begin? Isn't it due 1 week before? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)
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post Apr 14 2019, 21:56
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QUOTE(decondelite @ Apr 14 2019, 15:17) *

The damage output isn't the only thing that matters you know.
Within the weapons you've stated, the wakizashi is your best bet if you want to succeed easier.
It may not have as much damage output as a club or an axe, but its parry is very valuable to defend yourself.
Furthermore, it's hallowed, so its elemental strike will help you against schoolgirls.


That's true, I forgot to consider that.

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For Agi you did reach the amount you actually want when the next point in Agi would increase your attack speed bonus above 0%.


Generally how much would that be for someone like me at lvl177 and +90 burden? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)
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post Apr 14 2019, 21:59
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QUOTE(Canico @ Apr 14 2019, 21:56) *

Generally how much would that be for someone like me at lvl177 and +90 burden? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

Ehm, not sure tbh. But wiki tells us about agi this

1 point above the player's level = +(10%/level) Attack Speed
So i would say somewhere around 177 and this does include Agi you get from your equipment and the agi from the bonus PA.
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post Apr 14 2019, 22:03
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QUOTE(crazy3d @ Apr 14 2019, 21:52) *

Is the easter event about to begin? Isn't it due 1 week before? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)


...maybe this year there will be no easter event? The suspense is killing me!

Perhaps, we should, maybe, ... wait?
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post Apr 14 2019, 22:23
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QUOTE(Uncle Stu @ Apr 14 2019, 15:59) *

Ehm, not sure tbh. But wiki tells us about agi this

1 point above the player's level = +(10%/level) Attack Speed
So i would say somewhere around 177 and this does include Agi you get from your equipment and the agi from the bonus PA.


Wiki's misleading. I don't know what it means by "1 point above the player's level = +(10%/level) Attack Speed" when it says below the STATS table:
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The attack speed increases from AGI is capped at 10%, which occurs at 2x level.

And I dug a little further and apparaently
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If burden > 40, decreases melee attack speed bonuses (fully eliminates any bonus at 90 burden).

So no atk speed bonus for me from AGI
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post Apr 14 2019, 22:26
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Yeah, never trust the wiki. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif) But i would still say something around your level would be your golden number. Give me a few minutes and i will take a look at my agi to double check this.

So, my Agi is 503 alltogether, so yeah, somewhere around 177 should be your golden number, no matter what the wiki actually tells you, and when you improve the tier of your armor set, you will sooner or later fall below 90 burden. That is something you just cant prevent and how much i sometimes wish i could.

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post Apr 15 2019, 00:16
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QUOTE(Canico @ Apr 14 2019, 21:23) *

Wiki's misleading. I don't know what it means by "1 point above the player's level = +(10%/level) Attack Speed" when it says below the STATS table:

And I dug a little further and apparaently

So no atk speed bonus for me from AGI


That's 10% divided by level - so having exactly your level would be 0% attack speed, 1 point above would be say... 177th of 10%, and 177 points above would be 10%. That's (most likely) effective agi, not base agi, so the amount on your gear factors in too.

The wiki is usually right, but the way it's written can sometimes be ambiguous (like in that case - I imagine you read it as '10% per level' rather than '10% divided by level') and a lot of the formulae require mathematical understanding to get the context of their usage in real situations (like the several stats applied in layers).

Some other things on this page...

QUOTE(Canico @ Apr 14 2019, 16:54) *

I know, but I wasn't sure if i should keep investing my chaos tokens and crystals into my one monster or start up a second. The elemental resistance crystals seem easy enough to come by, but the stat up crystals are a bitch to farm and cost so much.


Don't worry about upgrading your monsters right now - it's a long, LONG way off before they'll start to appear in battles for almost anyone. For now, only use crystals on them when morale is low (avoids having to drug them), and use your chaos tokens to unlock more slots (do not upgrade your current monsters with them - there are points at which it costs enough for the next monster that it's more efficient to upgrade their gift chance, but that's not for a long time for you yet).

QUOTE(Canico @ Apr 14 2019, 18:57) *

So, 1H build. I'm guessing focus on my STR, DEX, and END, prioritizing in that order? Followed by occasional leveling of AGI & WIS every now and then?

And am I fine strategy wise or is there something I'm missing or could do to improve on?
When fighting, I immediately buff myself up with Protection, Regen, Haste, and maybe HS if I proc channeling. And then from there I keep using HP, MP, and Spirit droughts as needed whilst keeping my other buffs active, sometimes casting Absorb or SoL if I get channeling again. Currently using a mace since its my best weapon atm, and I find it helps me control how many monsters attack me at once keeping some of them stunned.


Not sure if anyone explained this so far so: the 1H style is built around blocking hits and counter-attacking, as its primary form of multi-target damage. The way attack speed works in HentaiVerse is by staggering your turns relative to the monsters (essentially giving you occasional turns where you're attacking, but they aren't). Obviously this reduces the amounts of hits you're taking, while you're only doing regular attacks. The same principle applies to evasion (and shadow veil by extension) - evading attacks means you aren't countering them. Same goes for stunned monsters - they're not attacking while they're stunned.

(The other reason almost all 1H players use rapier is penetrated armour is by far the most effective weapon proc for clear speed).

Use your personal judgment to decide how much damage you can safely handle. Most people play 2H at your level until it starts to slow down / get dangerous, before switching to 1H. Stat priorities are roughly equal for str + dex, keep agi around your level, keep endurance in the same region. You can slack on wis, get it when it's cheap compared to your current exp gain.

Hope this explains some things.

Edit: Oh, also, re: whether grindfest is worth it - for higher levels with drop trainings and hath perks, yeah, it is, but at your level focus on doing the arenas at the highest difficulty level you can handle and just level up. You'll be in the mid-late 300s before that's a concern

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post Apr 15 2019, 00:20
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QUOTE(Uncle Stu @ Apr 14 2019, 22:26) *

Yeah, never trust the wiki. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif) But i would still say something around your level would be your golden number. Give me a few minutes and i will take a look at my agi to double check this.

So, my Agi is 503 alltogether, so yeah, somewhere around 177 should be your golden number, no matter what the wiki actually tells you, and when you improve the tier of your armor set, you will sooner or later fall below 90 burden. That is something you just cant prevent and how much i sometimes wish i could.


You make this sound more complicated, than it actually is.

On the stats page scroll down until you see "Effective Primary Stats". The agility value there should be the same or lower than your level, then you won't have any attack speed bonus.
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post Apr 15 2019, 00:24
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Quick question as I'm a little confused using the wiki as a guide. What kind of armor is best used on DW? Currently using heavy armor but could be wrong using that.
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post Apr 15 2019, 00:25
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QUOTE(Analogdoujin @ Apr 14 2019, 23:24) *

Quick question as I'm a little confused using the wiki as a guide. What kind of armor is best used on DW? Currently using heavy armor but could be wrong using that.


Shade in 99.9% of cases. Heavy is maybe possible for high level players but it's dangerous. It's very dangerous to play DW without considerable evade chance (or extremely high parry).

Most players are aiming for savage shade of the shadowdancer (for pure damage) or agile shade of the shadowdancer (for survival).

Shadowdancer can be expensive, at lower levels fleet and negation are acceptable compromises.

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post Apr 15 2019, 00:29
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QUOTE(Analogdoujin @ Apr 15 2019, 00:24) *

Quick question as I'm a little confused using the wiki as a guide. What kind of armor is best used on DW? Currently using heavy armor but could be wrong using that.
Hm, not sure now that i think about it. I mean usually people play DW with shade, so they can use evade as method for 100% damage avoidance. But the same would be true for 2H and i have read of people who did play 2H with a power armor. But actually at your level of 266 and assumed income, i would suggest light/shade. Without block and with the lower speed a heavy armor gives you, you have to tank quite some attacks, even with the potential high parry DW gives you, so i wouldnt suggest to use DW heavy without quite some forging. Does this answer your question?
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QUOTE(Uncle Stu @ Apr 14 2019, 15:29) *

Hm, not sure now that i think about it. I mean usually people play DW with shade, so they can use evade as method for 100% damage avoidance. But the same would be true for 2H and i have read of people who did play 2H with a power armor. But actually at your level of 266 and assumed income, i would suggest light/shade. Without block and with the lower speed a heavy armor gives you, you have to tank quite some attacks, even with the potential high parry DW gives you, so i wouldnt suggest to use DW heavy without quite some forging. Does this answer your question?


Thanks for the replies!

So, I was using Heavy armor (power if I had it otherwise with the protection suffix) Makes sense to switch to leather/shade armor. Is mixing around with Leather of Protection armor with Shade of Fleet/Shadowdancers okay? or should I have a full complete set of one type of Leather/Shade armors?
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QUOTE(Analogdoujin @ Apr 15 2019, 00:43) *

Is mixing around with Leather of Protection armor with Shade of Fleet/Shadowdancers okay? or should I have a full complete set of one type of Leather/Shade armors?
You can mix armor of the same type as much as you want, as long you use a full set of leather/shade it does not matter if 1 shade and 4 leather or the other way around, only when you mix up different armor types, like two shade and three power, you get a problem because that would negate any ability bonus.
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QUOTE(Analogdoujin @ Apr 14 2019, 23:43) *

Thanks for the replies!

So, I was using Heavy armor (power if I had it otherwise with the protection suffix) Makes sense to switch to leather/shade armor. Is mixing around with Leather of Protection armor with Shade of Fleet/Shadowdancers okay? or should I have a full complete set of one type of Leather/Shade armors?


QUOTE(Uncle Stu @ Apr 14 2019, 23:53) *

You can mix armor of the same type as much as you want, as long you use a full set of leather/shade it does not matter if 1 shade and 4 leather or the other way around, only when you mix up different armor types, like two shade and three power, you get a problem because that would negate any ability bonus.


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Ideally you want full shade - there's basically no reason to use leather unless you have no other options - but if you have holes in your selection at least use leather in the non-shade slots to make sure you activate your light armour abilities.
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QUOTE(lestion @ Apr 14 2019, 16:10) *

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Ideally you want full shade - there's basically no reason to use leather unless you have no other options - but if you have holes in your selection at least use leather in the non-shade slots to make sure you activate your light armour abilities.


Thanks again for the follow up replies and clearing up which armors are best on DW. This is what I'm currently running, using Magnificent quality leather armors until I can replace with similar quality shade armors. I do have a superior shade boots of shadowdancer but the stats on Magnificant quality of fleet is better for now.Attached Image

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post Apr 15 2019, 02:38
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QUOTE(Analogdoujin @ Apr 15 2019, 02:24) *

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Tbh even sup or exq shade would be better than mag leather imo. So i wouldnt suggest to wait until you have mag shade, because that could potentially take a while.
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Is there anywhere that notifies people when the Easter event starts? Like, do the trophies only start dropping when Tenboro posts in HentaiVerse Release Notes, or is that late and they start dropping after Dawn of the presumed day, or perhaps random time? Wasn't here for Easter of previous years, does anyone who was here remember?
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