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Well tbh i am just curious if it would make a difference for non mage players. Because i just have my deprecating five level above my level and imo that is actually enough to play any SG Arena smooth. It is still quite a work to hit those damned dragons from DwD but except that i am actually just fine. So my guess is that it is just not worth it for non mage player. But of course i cant be sure. Could even be enough to save one a minute or two for clearing DwD. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) Hm, have to test that later.

I have 44% depre counter resist and don't even bother imperil those dragons.
It's not like they hit that hard even for nonforged-equiped mage standard. at worst I take another minute or two to kill them and have to chug one more mana potion to kill the bastards.
but yeah, if you simply wants to shave that 1-2 minutes from your clear time... that's different question.

This post has been edited by Fudo Masamune: Sep 12 2018, 14:33

I have 44% depre counter resist and don't even bother imperil those dragons.
It's not like they hit that hard even for nonforged-equiped mage standard. at worst I take another minute or two to kill them and have to chug one more mana potion to kill the bastards.

Yeah? Well good for you mage. Just what should that tell me? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) That mages dont have any problem hitting with spells? As if that would be any suprise. Or do you actually read in my post that those dragons would be a threat to me? It is just that i cont even remember when beating DwD at all was a problem to me. So i am really quite confused about your post. Mind to explain it to me?

Yeah? Well good for you mage. Just what should that tell me? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) That mages dont have any problem hitting with spells? As if that would be any suprise. Or do you actually read in my post that those dragons would be a threat to me? It is just that i cont even remember when beating DwD at all was a problem to me. So i am really quite confused about your post. Mind to explain it to me?

whoa whoa, slow down uncle, what's with the hostility.
you said that "it's quite a work to hit them (imperil them I guess in this context) using depre prof 5 level above your level". and I just wants to say that even with 44% depre CR (~0.3 depre prof factor) I don't bother trying to imperil those dragons on dwd as it's still a problem hitting them sometimes and the hassle for managing the imperil for them is worse than letting the mouse hovering for another extra one or two minutes (and occasionally extra button pressing for the mana potion).

This post has been edited by Fudo Masamune: Sep 12 2018, 15:47

whoa whoa, slow down uncle, what's with the hostility.

Ehm. What? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

you said that "it's quite a work to hit them (imperil them I guess in this context) using depre prof 5 level above your level". and I just wants to say that even with 44% depre CR (~0.3 depre prof factor) I don't bother trying to imperil those dragons on dwd as it's still a problem hitting them sometimes and the hassle for managing the imperil for them is worse than letting the mouse hovering for another extra one or two minutes (and occasionally extra button pressing for the mana potion).

Oh, well in that case i just misunderstood your post. Well, imperil on drogon or not means for me something around 10 rounds more or less. No, big deal but still. But it doesnt mean one or two minutes difference. So i wonder, how could it mean that for mages? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

So approximately how much Overpower/counter parry would I need to never get parried by a max level max Chaos'd monster?

So approximately how much Overpower/counter parry would I need to never get parried by a max level max Chaos'd monster?

Hm, is this even possible? I mean 40% is absolut maximal possible counter parry. But what does that actually mean? When it means reduce the monster parry by that amount, 10% counter parry would be allready enough, so i am not sure that this actually true. So it could just mean reduce monster parry by that percentage which would mean that it would be impossible to bring monster parry down to zero. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

I cant even find anything significant about counter-parry in the wiki. Did no one before made any research about this?

This post has been edited by Uncle Stu: Sep 12 2018, 21:53

Regardless of the stats or chaos of the enemy monster, I believe you would need 100% Counter-Parry which is not possible to attain through Overpower, although 1H with 5 stacks of Overwhelming Strikes gets 20%x5=100% Counter-Parry. I think this hiding in the wiki but I forget where.

I cant even find anything significant about counter-parry in the wiki. Did no one before made any research about this?

yes. and what you found basically reflects all what we know about counter-parry.

yes. and what you found basically reflects all what we know about counter-parry.

So in truth we dont even know exacly how counter-parry actually works except that it works? Did i get this right? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

This post has been edited by Uncle Stu: Sep 12 2018, 23:50

This might not be the only section of the wiki that describes counter-parry, but...

Overwhelming Strikes after hitting an enemy

Increases attack damage by 15% and attack accuracy by 50% for 4 turns
20% counter-parry chance per stack, 5 stacks at maximum (20% to ignore monster's successful parry per stack)

We might also safely assume that Counter-Parry works similarly to Anti-Evasion.

It is possible to exceed 100% accuracy; additional accuracy grants anti-evade against monsters. Each 1% accuracy past 100% gives a 1% reduction in the target's evasion chance; 200% or higher completely ignores evasion. It is therefore useless to go beyond 200% accuracy.

For more proof look no further than Research for 1H. The addition of Overpower Lv.5 dropped the average monster parry rate from 9.25% to 6.05% against non-stunned monsters (note that Overwhelming Strikes interfered with this somewhat).

From 9.25% to 6.05% with 20% counter-parry. So it has to be a reducing by percentages. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)

But weird that i dont remember that paragraph about overpower. I guess i just did notice that i was absolutly right to completly ignore it for 1H and moved on. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blush.gif)

Btw i still wonder about his 23.7% resist chance. 20% is more than enough.

Well at least i can now for sure answer the question that even with 5+5 Overpower in DW it is impossible to completly avoid monster parry. For a moment i was a bit worried about not been able to answer that question. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

I can't find yesterday's post about an error in Scremaz Forge Calculator but anyway I downloaded the latest 1.21 version and I might have found another error. The Rare counts don't seem to be working correctly. It only checks the Final level but not the Starting level field. Maybe I don't know what I'm talking about because I am only starting my first major weapon upgrade.

I can't find yesterday's post about an error in Scremaz Forge Calculator

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So in truth we dont even know exacly how counter-parry actually works except that it works? Did i get this right? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

yep. we know it works on percentages, but we don't know, for example, how it stacks on DW exactly

I can't find yesterday's post about an error in Scremaz Forge Calculator

i fixed it, if it's what you meant.

I might have found another error. The Rare counts don't seem to be working correctly. It only checks the Final level but not the Starting level field. Maybe I don't know what I'm talking about because I am only starting my first major weapon upgrade.

it doesn't check the starting level because it checks the *maximum* of all the starting levels.
basically, it assumes those you typed are your current conditions, and it calculates the difference in rares needed to move to the highest of the new conditions. if you're at lv25 with one upgrade now and you move all the other stats to 20, you won't have to use any (other) rare. likewise, if you want to upgrade one of them (doesn't matter which one) to lv30, you'll have to sink only 5 rares.

or is there something else?

Ah, I didn't realize it worked that way. I guess upgrading armor isn't as scary as I thought. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

Ah, I didn't realize it worked that way. I guess upgrading armor isn't as scary as I thought. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

well, once you use a rare to unlock a level, that level is unlocked for *all* stats. it should be explained in wiki...

well, once you use a rare to unlock a level, that level is unlocked for *all* stats. it should be explained in wiki...

And the forge. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)

Rare equipment types will also require a special component to upgrade. This component is only needed to increase the highest stat - if you previously spent five of them to increase a stat to Level 5 then every other stat can be increased to Level 5 without spending any additional rare components.

Wow 1H is broken, it gives counterparry just from the self buff? That's dumb, it already stuns everything anyway.

I always think 1H is broken melee. They has self accuracy/overpower buff, overcharge when counter to keep 100% spirit stance, and even has higher dame bonus than 2H. I was main 2H before but can't keep with the clear speed of 1H even 2H has domino strike.

Wow 1H is broken, it gives counterparry just from the self buff? That's dumb, it already stuns everything anyway.

Yeah, Overwhelming Strikes is the one too many buffs that 1H does.
Seriously, removing Overwhelming Strikes from 1H and adding spirit charging on Domino Strikes would balance things way better. That is, even that way 2H would remain below, due to the low attack base damage provided by the 2H ability.