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post Aug 13 2018, 20:52
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Why would you choose shortsword. One advantage of DW is having two Procs. Bleeding is quite useless in the current meta.
Why use spells frequently. Melees are meant to be simple hover.
Rapier+waki has the best survivability, but very low damage. It's for low-level players.
Club+rapier of balance is the best offensive combo, since stuns prevent parries from monsters. You don't gain too much extra damage if you replace a club with an axe. No you do more damage with club since your attacked get less parried.


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Why use spells frequently. Melees are meant to be simple hover.

Because I like to, as I just said. It's a game. Games aren't meant to be played a certain way. If I get tired of using spells, I'll try something else.

Currently, I can do PFUDOR IW pretty fast with shitty equipment if I use niten and just use weaken macros on later rounds. The damage of my DW setup has completely fallen behind niten, so I'm trying to improve the former.

I did not know that stun prevents parry. I am now thoroughly convinced of club's superiority.

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post Aug 13 2018, 20:59
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Not fully sure but don't rapiers and shortswords have similar adb and parry ranges? In that case wouldn't rapier mainhand be better for higher PA chance? (Assuming mainhand slaughter and off-hand balance or nimble). I would think waki would be better as offhand compared to shortsword in that case though. So shortsword + rapier < rapier + shortsword < rapier + waki.

With proper forging, a nimble rapier is very close to 100% offhand strike chance, so one would better have shortsword as main and rapier as off, since a shortsword can't be nimble and has higher ADB.
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post Aug 13 2018, 21:41
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QUOTE(decondelite @ Aug 13 2018, 20:59) *

With proper forging, a nimble rapier is very close to 100% offhand strike chance, so one would better have shortsword as main and rapier as off, since a shortsword can't be nimble and has higher ADB.

With proper forging I would honestly go with rapier of balance since you probably wouldn't need the increased parry to survive, but yeah, I agree with keeping shortword on main-hand.
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post Aug 13 2018, 22:19
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Shortsword (mainhand) and rapier (offhand) is a good combination, but if you own a suitable offhand rapier chances are you would be better off with a club mainhand. That's probably the only reason shortsword plus rapier is rarely seen.

But if you happen to own or can buy a powerful shortsword, axe, or club, feel free to choose any of these combinations.
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post Aug 14 2018, 05:44
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So, shortsword does have higher adb than rapier (quite significantly), off-hand strike proc not an issue with enough forging, and so my entire conclusion was completely wrong XD

Oops, 3 mistakes in just as many sentences! That'll teach me to not provide advice on things I'm not sure about - sorry about that! At least I learned loads today (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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post Aug 14 2018, 09:34
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Couple of questions after a long long break.

1) What's the general consensus on Radiant vs Charged and Savage vs Agile?
2) For DW, Club in MH and Rapier in OH, should I go with Balance or Nimble? I'm leaning towards Nimble for extra survivability.
3) Do I need to have more than 1 playstyle to clear everything? Or can I invest everything into Elec Mage?
4) Am I correct in assuming I won't get the upgrade materials back with salvage?

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post Aug 14 2018, 10:37
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QUOTE(Oversoul @ Aug 14 2018, 09:34) *

Couple of questions after a long long break.

1) What's the general consensus on Radiant vs Charged and Savage vs Agile?
2) For DW, Club in MH and Rapier in OH, should I go with Balance or Nimble? I'm leaning towards Nimble for extra survivability.
3) Do I need to have more than 1 playstyle to clear everything? Or can I invest everything into Elec Mage?
4) Am I correct in assuming I won't get the upgrade materials back with salvage?

1) non-imperil play (only Holy and maybe Dark, until you have excellent gear then all mages can do that): Radiants are better. imperil play: (elements, non-perfect dark) Charged are better. If you play 1h heavy: savage is much better that agile, because you don't want to be agile at all when playing tank. If you play 2h, DW, niten: both agile and savage are very good. I still would prefer savage, I guess.

2) Both work. There has been a lot of advice about this on the last few pages: you can read back a bit.

3) No. One style is enough. Elec mage is a very strong build, so if you have the funds: go for it!

4) No. You get 90% of the upgrade materials back. Only the catalists are gone forever.

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post Aug 14 2018, 11:53
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Is playing staff with leather a viable alternative to cotton, given the following conditions :

1) You can't have/get Leg. cotton, only Exq and possibly Mag but only the occasional Phase (but you can have Leg leather, so 4 PABS also, and Shade)

2) You cannot upgrade anything higher then 5 (budget extremely tight)

3) level around 250, so there are still mage abilities that you cannot slot/train (that means improved protection from leather would be used to compensate for that)

4) This style would NOT be your primary anyway, only played a bit like for some RE for instance, to keep profs from staying behind and to enjoy some change from routine (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

anyone tried that or has suggestions ?

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post Aug 14 2018, 12:07
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QUOTE(DJNoni @ Aug 14 2018, 10:37) *

1) non-imperil play (only Holy and maybe Dark, until you have excellent gear then all mages can do that): Radiants are better. imperil play: (elements, non-perfect dark) Charged are better. If you play 1h heavy: savage is much better that agile, because you don't want to be agile at all when playing tank. If you play 2h, DW, niten: both agile and savage are very good. I still would prefer savage, I guess.

2) Both work. There has been a lot of advice about this on the last few pages: you can read back a bit.

3) No. One style is enough. Elec mage is a very strong build, so if you have the funds: go for it!

4) No. You get 90% of the upgrade materials back. Only the catalists are gone forever.

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Thanks, back in my days, I broke bank and bought this thing, I just equipped it and the level changed from Unassigned to my level, 385, I assume that just made its value go down quite a bit? Also is there a way how to tell how good this thing is as the base value changed from the upgrades.

I guess for the time being, I'll keep an eye out for Charged Mjolnirs and start farming stuff.

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post Aug 14 2018, 12:19
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QUOTE(Oversoul @ Aug 14 2018, 13:07) *
Also is there a way how to tell how good this thing is as the base value changed from the upgrades.

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post Aug 14 2018, 13:26
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QUOTE(DJNoni @ Aug 14 2018, 11:37) *
If you play 1h heavy: savage is much better that agile, because you don't want to be agile at all when playing tank.


Stop confusing players with your secret mod only gear, agile heavy doesn't exist in this patch (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
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post Aug 14 2018, 13:40
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QUOTE(Benny-boy @ Aug 14 2018, 13:26) *

Stop confusing players with your secret mod only gear, agile heavy doesn't exist in this patch (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

This is what happens when a mage gives advice for 1H. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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post Aug 14 2018, 13:58
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QUOTE(Benny-boy @ Aug 14 2018, 14:26) *

Stop confusing players with your secret mod only gear, agile heavy doesn't exist in this patch (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Maybe it's something old, like heavy with Resist. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
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post Aug 14 2018, 16:29
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QUOTE(Benny-boy @ Aug 14 2018, 13:26) *

Stop confusing players with your secret mod only gear, agile heavy doesn't exist in this patch (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

stop pointing out leaked news that people failed to notice! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)

QUOTE(Evil Scorpio @ Aug 14 2018, 13:58) *

Maybe it's something old, like heavy with Resist. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

speaking of which, i happen to look for a few of those... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif)

QUOTE(Oversoul @ Aug 14 2018, 12:07) *

Thanks, back in my days, I broke bank and bought this thing, I just equipped it and the level changed from Unassigned to my level, 385, I assume that just made its value go down quite a bit?

since it's an old gear, chances are that its value was quite low already to begin with. 0.82 patch brught up a revamp in stats, so all the previous items aren't that appetible. should still be good as a beginner staff, but once you can put your hands on a mid-tier new willow, this one would be useful to retrieve some bindings and eventually as a memento, if you want to re-purchase it from bazaar
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post Aug 14 2018, 18:38
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Aug 14 2018, 08:29) *

since it's an old gear, chances are that its value was quite low already to begin with. 0.82 patch brught up a revamp in stats, so all the previous items aren't that appetible. should still be good as a beginner staff, but once you can put your hands on a mid-tier new willow, this one would be useful to retrieve some bindings and eventually as a memento, if you want to re-purchase it from bazaar


Ah, the times when scythes ruled the game!
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post Aug 14 2018, 19:51
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QUOTE(Wraithtouch @ Aug 14 2018, 19:38) *

Ah, the times when scythes ruled the game!

I don't remember scythes rule like...ever. Bleed always was kinda meh. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif)
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post Aug 14 2018, 22:16
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QUOTE(mundomuñeca @ Aug 14 2018, 11:53) *

Is playing staff with leather a viable alternative to cotton

No.

QUOTE(mundomuñeca @ Aug 14 2018, 11:53) *
given the following conditions

Still no, sorry, even an average cotton/phase would be better than leather.
You need mainly two things for a mage build, magic damage and proficiency.
Cottons/phases give both, leather/shade neither (well, wis and int from Arcanist actually give a bit of MDB, but whatever, it's pretty insignificant).

Also if you build a crap build which is 3X slower than melee you aren't really going to farm a lot of prof.
Just farm when you will get a decent mage build and spend that time improving your current build, increasing the level and getting rich, which are things that will make a mage build much easier (while spending time in leather mage won't).

But if you really want to farm mage prof I would build a cheap cotton/phase set and farm as 1H mage (it would still be a bad idea since you don't have no cooldown imperil but would perform better and has been used with good success before).
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post Aug 15 2018, 00:56
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Which one is better? (as a potential soulfuse option)

https://hentaiverse.org/equip/163515259/476f97b362

https://hentaiverse.org/equip/168128670/3c4e1b860b

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post Aug 15 2018, 01:11
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QUOTE(JayQuellIn @ Aug 15 2018, 00:56) *

Which one is better? (as a potential soulfuse option)

Imo this is a hard decision. Personaly i really dont like using mythril. But the Zircon really has lower damage and imo i really dont like those 0% MM of it. But i also really dont like those 17% of the warding. PA are nearly the same so they are no help to decide this.

I would say go for the mythril one, but remember that it is not really a great piece and i dont say that because it is warding. I say this because mythril and low PM and just average MM. But at least the damage is good.
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post Aug 15 2018, 01:39
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Appreciate the advice! Yeah they seemed pretty similar, but I don't have a better option and think either would suffice for a while
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