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Is mainhand shortsword + offhand rapier a good DW combination if you have good survivability and like using spells? Why or why not? How does it compare to club/axe+rapier and rapier+waki?

Is mainhand shortsword + offhand rapier a good DW combination if you have good survivability and like using spells? Why or why not? How does it compare to club/axe+rapier and rapier+waki?

Not fully sure but don't rapiers and shortswords have similar adb and parry ranges? In that case wouldn't rapier mainhand be better for higher PA chance? (Assuming mainhand slaughter and off-hand balance or nimble). I would think waki would be better as offhand compared to shortsword in that case though. So shortsword + rapier < rapier + shortsword < rapier + waki.

Not fully sure but don't rapiers and shortswords have similar adb and parry ranges? In that case wouldn't rapier mainhand be better for higher PA chance? (Assuming mainhand slaughter and off-hand balance or nimble). I would think waki would be better as offhand compared to shortsword in that case though. So shortsword + rapier < rapier + shortsword < rapier + waki.

I'm probably even less sure, since I haven't installed a percentile range script yet (I'll do that today) but shortswords seem to have much higher ADB than rapiers... and more importantly, they're cheaper and in less demand, so I could get a high quality shortsword with a nice ADB even when a decent rapier of slaughter is like a pie in the sky. For example, this shortsword on decondelite's WTS for 10k https://hentaiverse.org/equip/144470092/d3c024fdfb has about 1.5x the ADB of the rapier I'm currently using.

I feel like higher levels tend to wonder why the heck players aren't using BIS peerless sets... I couldn't even cobble together a Superior power armor set at <250. You have to consider cost effectiveness.

This post has been edited by Gibberishly: Aug 13 2018, 20:50

Is mainhand shortsword + offhand rapier a good DW combination if you have good survivability and like using spells? Why or why not? How does it compare to club/axe+rapier and rapier+waki?

Why would you choose shortsword. One advantage of DW is having two Procs. Bleeding is quite useless in the current meta.
Why use spells frequently. Melees are meant to be simple hover.
Rapier+waki has the best survivability, but very low damage. It's for low-level players.
Club+rapier of balance is the best offensive combo, since stuns prevent parries from monsters. You don't gain too much extra damage if you replace a club with an axe. No you do more damage with club since your attacked get less parried.

Edit: Nah you are right about it. Go for your own play style. Meanwhile, as you level up, you will understand how safe and easy melees clear Arenas. Then you would ppl give up most spells in order to speed up.

This post has been edited by -vincento-: Aug 13 2018, 21:03

Why would you choose shortsword. One advantage of DW is having two Procs. Bleeding is quite useless in the current meta.
Why use spells frequently. Melees are meant to be simple hover.
Rapier+waki has the best survivability, but very low damage. It's for low-level players.
Club+rapier of balance is the best offensive combo, since stuns prevent parries from monsters. You don't gain too much extra damage if you replace a club with an axe. No you do more damage with club since your attacked get less parried.

Why use spells frequently. Melees are meant to be simple hover.

Because I like to, as I just said. It's a game. Games aren't meant to be played a certain way. If I get tired of using spells, I'll try something else.

Currently, I can do PFUDOR IW pretty fast with shitty equipment if I use niten and just use weaken macros on later rounds. The damage of my DW setup has completely fallen behind niten, so I'm trying to improve the former.

I did not know that stun prevents parry. I am now thoroughly convinced of club's superiority.

This post has been edited by Gibberishly: Aug 13 2018, 20:56

Not fully sure but don't rapiers and shortswords have similar adb and parry ranges? In that case wouldn't rapier mainhand be better for higher PA chance? (Assuming mainhand slaughter and off-hand balance or nimble). I would think waki would be better as offhand compared to shortsword in that case though. So shortsword + rapier < rapier + shortsword < rapier + waki.

With proper forging, a nimble rapier is very close to 100% offhand strike chance, so one would better have shortsword as main and rapier as off, since a shortsword can't be nimble and has higher ADB.

With proper forging, a nimble rapier is very close to 100% offhand strike chance, so one would better have shortsword as main and rapier as off, since a shortsword can't be nimble and has higher ADB.

With proper forging I would honestly go with rapier of balance since you probably wouldn't need the increased parry to survive, but yeah, I agree with keeping shortword on main-hand.

Shortsword (mainhand) and rapier (offhand) is a good combination, but if you own a suitable offhand rapier chances are you would be better off with a club mainhand. That's probably the only reason shortsword plus rapier is rarely seen.

But if you happen to own or can buy a powerful shortsword, axe, or club, feel free to choose any of these combinations.

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So, shortsword does have higher adb than rapier (quite significantly), off-hand strike proc not an issue with enough forging, and so my entire conclusion was completely wrong XD

Oops, 3 mistakes in just as many sentences! That'll teach me to not provide advice on things I'm not sure about - sorry about that! At least I learned loads today (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Couple of questions after a long long break.

1) What's the general consensus on Radiant vs Charged and Savage vs Agile?
2) For DW, Club in MH and Rapier in OH, should I go with Balance or Nimble? I'm leaning towards Nimble for extra survivability.
3) Do I need to have more than 1 playstyle to clear everything? Or can I invest everything into Elec Mage?
4) Am I correct in assuming I won't get the upgrade materials back with salvage?

This post has been edited by Oversoul: Aug 14 2018, 09:35

Couple of questions after a long long break.

1) What's the general consensus on Radiant vs Charged and Savage vs Agile?
2) For DW, Club in MH and Rapier in OH, should I go with Balance or Nimble? I'm leaning towards Nimble for extra survivability.
3) Do I need to have more than 1 playstyle to clear everything? Or can I invest everything into Elec Mage?
4) Am I correct in assuming I won't get the upgrade materials back with salvage?

1) non-imperil play (only Holy and maybe Dark, until you have excellent gear then all mages can do that): Radiants are better. imperil play: (elements, non-perfect dark) Charged are better. If you play 1h heavy: savage is much better that agile, because you don't want to be agile at all when playing tank. If you play 2h, DW, niten: both agile and savage are very good. I still would prefer savage, I guess.

2) Both work. There has been a lot of advice about this on the last few pages: you can read back a bit.

3) No. One style is enough. Elec mage is a very strong build, so if you have the funds: go for it!

4) No. You get 90% of the upgrade materials back. Only the catalists are gone forever.

Welcome back!

This post has been edited by DJNoni: Aug 14 2018, 10:38

Is playing staff with leather a viable alternative to cotton, given the following conditions :

1) You can't have/get Leg. cotton, only Exq and possibly Mag but only the occasional Phase (but you can have Leg leather, so 4 PABS also, and Shade)

2) You cannot upgrade anything higher then 5 (budget extremely tight)

3) level around 250, so there are still mage abilities that you cannot slot/train (that means improved protection from leather would be used to compensate for that)

4) This style would NOT be your primary anyway, only played a bit like for some RE for instance, to keep profs from staying behind and to enjoy some change from routine (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

anyone tried that or has suggestions ?

1) non-imperil play (only Holy and maybe Dark, until you have excellent gear then all mages can do that): Radiants are better. imperil play: (elements, non-perfect dark) Charged are better. If you play 1h heavy: savage is much better that agile, because you don't want to be agile at all when playing tank. If you play 2h, DW, niten: both agile and savage are very good. I still would prefer savage, I guess.

2) Both work. There has been a lot of advice about this on the last few pages: you can read back a bit.

3) No. One style is enough. Elec mage is a very strong build, so if you have the funds: go for it!

4) No. You get 90% of the upgrade materials back. Only the catalists are gone forever.

Welcome back!

Thanks, back in my days, I broke bank and bought this thing, I just equipped it and the level changed from Unassigned to my level, 385, I assume that just made its value go down quite a bit? Also is there a way how to tell how good this thing is as the base value changed from the upgrades.

I guess for the time being, I'll keep an eye out for Charged Mjolnirs and start farming stuff.

This post has been edited by Oversoul: Aug 14 2018, 12:08

Also is there a way how to tell how good this thing is as the base value changed from the upgrades.

https://forums.e-hentai.org/index.php?showtopic=212481 (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)

If you play 1h heavy: savage is much better that agile, because you don't want to be agile at all when playing tank.

Stop confusing players with your secret mod only gear, agile heavy doesn't exist in this patch (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Stop confusing players with your secret mod only gear, agile heavy doesn't exist in this patch (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

This is what happens when a mage gives advice for 1H. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Stop confusing players with your secret mod only gear, agile heavy doesn't exist in this patch (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Maybe it's something old, like heavy with Resist. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Stop confusing players with your secret mod only gear, agile heavy doesn't exist in this patch (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

stop pointing out leaked news that people failed to notice! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)

Maybe it's something old, like heavy with Resist. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

speaking of which, i happen to look for a few of those... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif)

Thanks, back in my days, I broke bank and bought this thing, I just equipped it and the level changed from Unassigned to my level, 385, I assume that just made its value go down quite a bit?

since it's an old gear, chances are that its value was quite low already to begin with. 0.82 patch brught up a revamp in stats, so all the previous items aren't that appetible. should still be good as a beginner staff, but once you can put your hands on a mid-tier new willow, this one would be useful to retrieve some bindings and eventually as a memento, if you want to re-purchase it from bazaar

since it's an old gear, chances are that its value was quite low already to begin with. 0.82 patch brught up a revamp in stats, so all the previous items aren't that appetible. should still be good as a beginner staff, but once you can put your hands on a mid-tier new willow, this one would be useful to retrieve some bindings and eventually as a memento, if you want to re-purchase it from bazaar

Ah, the times when scythes ruled the game!

Ah, the times when scythes ruled the game!

I don't remember scythes rule like...ever. Bleed always was kinda meh. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif)