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post Jul 19 2018, 06:10
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QUOTE(ArbiterErii @ Jul 18 2018, 14:37) *

Best Equipment Set for Holy@Arena?
I'm not sure which slots should be armed with Cotton / Phase.
Our goal is to reach prof-factor = 1.0?

I have prof perk, but I don't want to upgrade my Cotton Gear >Lv25 and Phase > Lv10 (Damned CP) for now.


You can decide ~0.8 prof factor for Holy imperil style & ~1.0 for non-imperil but it is not necessary, you can try it yourself and see the performance.
If you insist not to forge your cotton to high level, you can choose Robe slot to get more prof and sacrifice some EDB, but you need to calculate prof factor yourself: Mage Prof Calculator 1.12

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post Jul 19 2018, 09:35
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Probably a dumb question, and I've checked the wiki already and not really found anything, but when a piece of armor has a crushing mitigation for example, is that combined with its physical mitigation or is it something separate? Cause to me it doesn't make sense to have three specific damage mitigations listed as well as a physical mitigation stat, wouldn't they be the same thing?
EDIT: I think I figured it out myself a few minutes later thinking about it, but I'd still like an answer to see if I'm right.

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post Jul 19 2018, 10:38
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QUOTE(YarnHorns~ @ Jul 19 2018, 15:35) *

Probably a dumb question, and I've checked the wiki already and not really found anything, but when a piece of armor has a crushing mitigation for example, is that combined with its physical mitigation or is it something separate? Cause to me it doesn't make sense to have three specific damage mitigations listed as well as a physical mitigation stat, wouldn't they be the same thing?
EDIT: I think I figured it out myself a few minutes later thinking about it, but I'd still like an answer to see if I'm right.

Damage Reduction

Damage Taken = Original_Damage_Roll * (1 - Physical or Magical Mitigation) * (1 - Specific Mitigation)

So they are not the same thing.
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post Jul 19 2018, 18:16
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Guys, I have a question, could you tell me what some hentai symbols mean? I've seen this one lots of times and others too...Attached Image

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post Jul 19 2018, 19:20
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Guys, I have a question, could you tell me what some hentai symbols mean? I've seen this one lots of times and others too...Attached Image


don't have the foggiest of clues. Try here.
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post Jul 20 2018, 01:00
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https://hentaiverse.org/equip/166722177/4a42cc97d0

Is this worth anything or just salvage it?
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post Jul 20 2018, 01:22
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QUOTE(Lunarika @ Jul 19 2018, 20:00) *

https://hentaiverse.org/equip/166722177/4a42cc97d0

Is this worth anything or just salvage it?

Sellable, also wrong thread
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post Jul 20 2018, 01:23
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QUOTE(lololo16 @ Jul 20 2018, 01:22) *

Sellable, also wrong thread

At least this question has actually something to do with HV. So its an improvement. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Btw can someone confirm if those Artifacts drop chances from the wiki are still correct?

Last Elixir 20%
Energy Drink 20%

I just ask because since weeks now i got around five to six Elixir for one ED.

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post Jul 20 2018, 03:35
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QUOTE(Uncle Stu @ Jul 19 2018, 23:23) *

At least this question has actually something to do with HV. So its an improvement. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Btw can someone confirm if those Artifacts drop chances from the wiki are still correct?

Last Elixir 20%
Energy Drink 20%

I just ask because since weeks now i got around five to six Elixir for one ED.


Overall should be correct, my drop chance:
Precursor Artifact
Total shrined 2372 100%
Hath 478 20%
Crystals 946 39%
Energy Drink 472 19%
Last Elixir 469 19%
PAB 6 0%
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post Jul 20 2018, 03:45
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Then why the hell did i got in the last then days 24 LE but not even 10 ED? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) And dont come me with bad luck. It is like that since i returned around two months ago. Bad luck doesnt explain that. Or is that a special rule of the game? Closing in on lvl 500 and your chance to get ED drop to near zeri so you have to buy them? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)
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post Jul 20 2018, 07:12
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QUOTE(Uncle Stu @ Jul 20 2018, 03:45) *

Then why the hell did i got in the last then days 24 LE but not even 10 ED? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) And dont come me with bad luck. It is like that since i returned around two months ago. Bad luck doesnt explain that. Or is that a special rule of the game? Closing in on lvl 500 and your chance to get ED drop to near zeri so you have to buy them? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)


Precursor Artifact (2330)
19.6 % [457] Energy Drink
19.8 % [461] 2 Hath
19.7 % [459] Last Elixir
40.9 % [953] 1000x Crystal

I haven't heard of the 'close to 500' rule, but if it exists then only for you....
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post Jul 20 2018, 09:41
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QUOTE(DJNoni @ Jul 20 2018, 07:12) *

I haven't heard of the 'close to 500' rule, but if it exists then only for you....

I wouldnt even be suprised. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)
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post Jul 20 2018, 16:07
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QUOTE(Uncle Stu @ Jul 20 2018, 03:45) *

Then why the hell did i got in the last then days 24 LE but not even 10 ED? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) And dont come me with bad luck. It is like that since i returned around two months ago. Bad luck doesnt explain that. Or is that a special rule of the game? Closing in on lvl 500 and your chance to get ED drop to near zeri so you have to buy them? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)


In statistical distibution, average alone is no information. It's even misleading. Assuming the distibution is a "normal distribution", i.e. the classical Gauss bell, you must also know at least the variance, to be able to tell if your drops are really statistically improbable or not.
For other kinds of distributions everything becomes much more complicated, not only mathematically but especially from the point-of-view of intuitiveness.

My gut feeling is that a sequence of apparently exceptional "ED lacking " drops is NOT exceptional at all.

Human brain's intuition about statistics is notoriously flawed, with certains biases and fallacies. (In other animals, too)

Plenty of studies about it, it's all very interesting stuff imo and you should search and read something about it, it's something any intelligent & curious person would find intriguing at the least (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

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post Jul 20 2018, 18:57
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QUOTE(Uncle Stu @ Jul 20 2018, 06:23) *

At least this question has actually something to do with HV. So its an improvement. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Btw can someone confirm if those Artifacts drop chances from the wiki are still correct?

Last Elixir 20%
Energy Drink 20%

I just ask because since weeks now i got around five to six Elixir for one ED.


Was about to ask the same thing, got atrocious rate for the last several weeks mmm...

16.7 % Energy Drink
20.3 % 2 Hath
22.7 % Last Elixir
38.9 % 1000x Crystal
1.3 % Primary Attributes Bonus
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post Jul 20 2018, 20:48
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Hello sirs ~
Could you give me some advice about should I train Adept Learner more ? I have 78 now.
I ask this question because the more Adept Learner I train, the faster level up I will but I can't unlearn it. And I read some post of higher level players said that they wish they level up slower than they did. Not only aleden's post a few day ago, but also other higher level player's post like this:
QUOTE(BlueWaterSplash @ Oct 28 2017, 19:04) *

Perhaps a poll is in order. Who here has the lowest Adept Learner? I have 40, and I wish I had trained less but I didn't know any better before.

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I had 3 until 5 days ago. Now I have 20 (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

As a novice, I think that the higher level you have, the more credit you can make. I see that the players who level 400+ are all rich with tens of millions of credits or may be hundreds. So why it is not good when you level up fast to 400+ ? Could you give me some advice ?
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post Jul 20 2018, 21:26
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QUOTE(VawX @ Jul 20 2018, 18:57) *

Was about to ask the same thing, got atrocious rate for the last several weeks mmm...

So i am not the only one.

QUOTE(-Daiki- @ Jul 20 2018, 20:48) *

Could you give me some advice about should I train Adept Learner more ? I have 78 now.


I would say lets train some more.

QUOTE(-Daiki- @ Jul 20 2018, 20:48) *

I ask this question because the more Adept Learner I train, the faster level up I will but I can't unlearn it. And I read some post of higher level players said that they wish they level up slower than they did. Not only aleden's post a few day ago, but also other higher level player's post like this:


Imo this is just bullshit from people who feel much too comfortable inside of the noob protection they still get from the game. Because no, the game doesnt get harder when you reach a certain level, it just stops been more easy at it actually would be. So, if i were you, i would call bullshit and train AL as much as your wallet does feel okay with. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)

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As a novice, I think that the higher level you have, the more credit you can make.

Well tbh that has nothing directly to do with the level they have. But with the credits they allready have invested into training. I mean trainings like Scavenger, Luck of the Draw, Quartermaster and Archaeologist. Some perks help too like all high level player who play every arena every day have Long Gone Before Daylight. But for most people it takes times to get those trainings and perks, so the higher the level aka the longer you have played the game allready the higher should be your income. So high level and high income just have the same cause.
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post Jul 20 2018, 22:09
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QUOTE(-Daiki- @ Jul 20 2018, 20:48) *

Hello sirs ~
Could you give me some advice about should I train Adept Learner more ? I have 78 now.
I ask this question because the more Adept Learner I train, the faster level up I will but I can't unlearn it. And I read some post of higher level players said that they wish they level up slower than they did. Not only aleden's post a few day ago, but also other higher level player's post like this:
As a novice, I think that the higher level you have, the more credit you can make. I see that the players who level 400+ are all rich with tens of millions of credits or may be hundreds. So why it is not good when you level up fast to 400+ ? Could you give me some advice ?
Thank you.


I always liked leveling up fast. Okay, at level 500 you can't sell any magnificents anymore, but the availability of great gear is much better. Best way to do that is actually buying a Gold Star. I know, that's a bit expensive, but it may be interesting nonetheless. I bouht Gold Star when I was around level 200, never regretted it since.
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post Jul 20 2018, 22:39
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QUOTE(-Daiki- @ Jul 20 2018, 20:48) *

Hello sirs ~
Could you give me some advice about should I train Adept Learner more ? I have 78 now.
I ask this question because the more Adept Learner I train, the faster level up I will but I can't unlearn it. And I read some post of higher level players said that they wish they level up slower than they did. Not only aleden's post a few day ago, but also other higher level player's post like this:
As a novice, I think that the higher level you have, the more credit you can make. I see that the players who level 400+ are all rich with tens of millions of credits or may be hundreds. So why it is not good when you level up fast to 400+ ? Could you give me some advice ?
Thank you.

You'll get a lot of different advice from folks, IMO, you just need to decide yourself what you want out of the game, how you want to play it, etc.

You may be able to earn (a little bit) more credits at a higher level, but for me it's not really an issue. I still get good drops at my level, including a very sweet power of slaughter weapon that has a good 10m+ estimated value. I can still play all the arenas at PFUDOR. In fact, if you want to make credits faster, you can play the SG arenas at a lower difficulty. The difficulty does not affect if they drop their trophies. So just speed through them, get those trophies every day, and unload them every week or so. A shitload of trophies and noodly appendages (should be able to get one a day with all the blood tokens and such) should be netting you a million credits a week.

So do you need to be higher level? I don't know. Decide for yourself. I'm levelling fast enough, and I'm not even trying to level. I'm earning millions of credits, can play the game just fine, do whatever I want to do with it, and I'm level 333. I read some of the other posts. I won't lie, I don't know what the absolute fuck Uncle means by 'noob protection' since that's never been a consideration or something that's been on my mind when playing. (actually I genuinely just don't know wtf he even means). I just like the level I'm at. I like getting magnificent and legendary drops that are under level 400 and selling them, and donating them for free to friends and nice beginners I find on the forums. That kind of stuff makes it fun for me to play the game.

Maybe I could make a little more credits if I levelled up faster. I genuinely don't know, because I am a lower level right now. I've never been level 400, 450, or 500. So I don't have that experience. Obviously I can't testify to that. But it's not like any of the magnificent drops or legendary drops at 500 are any good. In fact, most of them are fucking garbage shit simply because nobody wants it. A level 500 magnificent anything has to be pretty goddamn amazing to even sell at a very low amount. And honestly, I'm not at the point where I get any fun or joy out of playing HV as a pure numbers game. The day that I need to be a higher level, for whatever reason (making credits? I dunno) that way I can justify to myself spending 7-10m more credits to jump from 89 ADB to 99 ADB on that legendary power armor, sure. I'll level up and do that. But I'm not picky enough to care at this point. I'm more focused on playing with my cool armor (which is still worth millions), forging them, and playing around with the game.

Plus, you can be playing HV for years. Have you seen how long some people play this game? Do you know how long it takes to get from level 499 to 500? Honestly, just take it easy. No need to level fast.

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post Jul 20 2018, 22:54
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General, no need to level fast.

For melees, the higher level beyond lv400, the more time you need to clean Arenas.
For mages, higher level means more unlocked skills and more primary attributes to improve your evade, defense, etc. So it could be helpful to some extent. But also be sure, you would need much much more time to increase the same amount of profs factor because your prof gained is based on exp. More exp needed to level up= more needed to increase prof.

As for equipments and drops, the higher, the less soul fragments you need when you soulfuse something. And the more choice you have since most good equipments are lv400~500.
As for drops, the higher level your become, the less value your equipment drops become. High-quality ones still get the same bids, but low~medium quality ones barely get sold.

Level has nothing to do with your income. I don't recommend going for too many adept learners because it's not that meaningful. Go get the first 100~150 trainings you want, the last 100 are quite expensive.

Still this is an old topic. There is no correct answer to it. Once you reach lv350~lv400, the benefits of level become negligible...

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post Jul 20 2018, 23:13
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QUOTE(-vincento- @ Jul 20 2018, 22:54) *

General, no need to level fast.

For melees, the higher level beyond lv400, the more time you need to clean Arenas.
For mages, higher level means more unlocked skills and more primary attributes to improve your evade, defense, etc. So it could be helpful to some extent. But also be sure, you would need much much more time to increase the same amount of profs factor because your prof gained is based on exp. More exp needed to level up= more needed to increase prof.

As for equipments and drops, the higher, the less soul fragments you need when you soulfuse something. And the more choice you have since most good equipments are lv400~500.
As for drops, the higher level your become, the less value your equipment drops become. High-quality ones still get the same bids, but low~medium quality ones barely get sold.

Level has nothing to do with your income. I don't recommend going for too many adept learners because it's not that meaningful. Go get the first 100~150 trainings you want, the last 100 are quite expensive.

Still this is an old topic. There is no correct answer to it. Once you reach lv350~lv400, the benefits of level become negligible...


Brought up some interesting points that I missed. There have been some armor that I've let go because it'll be level 480 and that's too far away for me to get to level 380 then soulfuse. Stuff like that. Generally, though, I've been able to find armor and weapons that are just as good. It depends on what you can find via drops, auctions, and shops.

I think level 330-350 is the point where I really stopped caring about levelling. I wanted to get to level 300 because I use imperil. I love imperil, I always will (not bringing up the melee using imperil debate again though LOL) so I wanted to get to level 300, then 330 for max Imperil shenanigans. Also, I think there are a few nice abilities I get unlocked at 350, so I'm sort of just floating around until there. But after that, I don't really have a goal. Just have fun goofing around with the game. It all really depends on your philosophy and what you want to do with the game (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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