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Well excuse me, 2hu snowflake
I came here with valid criticism and all I got was "dude trial and error lmao" and "lurk more" as if the existence of a wiki justified incorrect in-game descriptions
Second, I am not even raging since I figured all of this by myself to begin with
If you're going to defend a dev who could fix this in minutes then so be it

incorrect in-game descriptions

Valid point. There are some in-game descriptions that are plain wrong even, like the number of extra tickets in the lottery from an golden ticket (it's 100, not 1000).

Report these errors here, or just don't play the game if you feel that the developer isn't doing his/her best.

This post has been edited by DJNoni: May 10 2018, 16:55

how important "charged" is and should i replace
https://hentaiverse.org/equip/128118759/b821de3e55

with this?
https://hentaiverse.org/equip/155196165/204d4ac4d3

Well excuse me, 2hu snowflake
I came here with valid criticism and all I got was "dude trial and error lmao" and "lurk more" as if the existence of a wiki justified incorrect in-game descriptions
Second, I am not even raging since I figured all of this by myself to begin with
If you're going to defend a dev who could fix this in minutes then so be it

I kinda agree with you on pretty much all of your points, honestly. I think it's just an example of most of the people who have been here a long time have, for better or worse, just gotten used to it. If this was the dev's only project, I would be a bit more ticked, but they do a lot of work improving the site as a whole. Maybe we can compile an easy list so the next update of HV they can slot those changes in easily?

how important "charged" is and should i replace
https://hentaiverse.org/equip/128118759/b821de3e55

with this?
https://hentaiverse.org/equip/155196165/204d4ac4d3

yes, for PFfest certainly, and for IW on PFUDOR as well. For arena's, try both of them in turn, see what's quicker.

Is it a good idea for mage to use electric spike shield since it reduces resist or should I just stick to fire shield?

Is it a good idea for mage to use electric spike shield since it reduces resist or should I just stick to fire shield?

As a mage, do you mean one who cycles through all elements for chain damage? Im not mage expert, but aint frost one shield best for this type of mage? Purely for reduced speed bonus?

This post has been edited by Wraithtouch: May 10 2018, 19:32

The only thing that could be blamed is "+30 Physical Mitigation" being written instead of "+30% Physical Mitigation". So what is hard to understand in that ability making protection tank 30% of the incoming damage?

Probably the fact that the in-game description says "Protection: Places a shield effect on the target, absorbing 25% of the damage from all attacks."
I really don't know where you got the idea that adding a % sign to the "30" made it canon.

Protip: you do not need to know your exact in-battle stats. All you need to know are your out of battle stats and what does what.

"You don't need to know" seems to be the general thought process of the devs while making this entire game. According to them, you don't need to know the following in-battle stats (because presumably, you can figure it out yourself with some roundabout method):

your level
your stamina
your experience till next level
your gear wear percentage
what round you're in at all times
monster's HP at all times
your own HP and overcharge (remember "pips"? remember no HP value at the start of 0.86 update?)
when enchantments expire (to be fair I'm assuming this one as I have never enchanted anything but it seems likely)
to what extent supportive spells actually support you

Please tell me what is so forbidden about knowing these essential statistics (especially at lower levels)? I won't bother listing some out-of-battle things you "don't need to know".

You don't need to know what Protection does, because you are supposed to set it on Innate Arcana and never think about it again. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

your level

It's exactly the same as all the monsters' levels.

your experience till next level

Well , you can't check the actual number, but there's the experience bar at the bottom of the screen, and you should know by experience, how much the percentage (roughly) means in numbers.

"You don't need to know" seems to be the general thought process of the devs while making this entire game. According to them, you don't need to know the following in-battle stats (because presumably, you can figure it out yourself with some roundabout method):

your level
your stamina
your experience till next level
your gear wear percentage
what round you're in at all times
monster's HP at all times
your own HP and overcharge (remember "pips"? remember no HP value at the start of 0.86 update?)
when enchantments expire (to be fair I'm assuming this one as I have never enchanted anything but it seems likely)
to what extent supportive spells actually support you

Please tell me what is so forbidden about knowing these essential statistics (especially at lower levels)? I won't bother listing some out-of-battle things you "don't need to know".

In my Opnion:
1. your level
It makes no Diffference in Battle, if you know it or not.
2. your stamina
You can't see it in Battle, but you should keep it above 10, if you don't get any Drop and Experience in Battle, then you should use an Energy Drink, but it's better that you prepare it before you enter a Battle.
3. your experience till next level
the same with 1
4. your gear wear percentage
the same with 1, and you should care about it out of Battle
5. what round you're in at all times
You should know it in Battle, in some Situation you should plan when you use Battle Items like Infusion and Scrolls according to the current Round.
6. monster's HP at all times
The Bar is enough, you don't need to know the number exactly.
7. your own HP and overcharge
You should know them in Battle.
8. when enchantments expire
You should know it in Battle
9. to what extent supportive spells actually support you
the same with 1, but you should learn it out of Battle.

The Problem about the essential statistics in Battle is, that you can estimate them but you can't see them directly and you can't know the exact Number.

Thanks for the workarounds. Sadly, I

a ) already knew about them
b ) was arguing against the need for them in the first place

I think this flew over your heads somehow but I don't know how. Good job defending the undefendable though.

This post has been edited by hujkl: May 11 2018, 00:14

only spell damage is shown on your character tab if you scroll down a bit and see the % sign, except for some reason that sign is absent from the equipment descriptions (see https://hentaiverse.org/equip/160951156/c68dae13d3)
By that logic prof bonuses should also give a percentage increase, right? Except they don't

so, now the problem is that some numbers have percentages and others not? if it's for that, lengths are measured in meters and times in seconds...

"Biggerer Fire"

almost. "even bigger" sounds better. and yes, part of the fun of this game is to find its secrets. ever played serious sam?

I think this flew over your heads somehow but I don't know how. Good job defending the undefendable though.

there are many ways to say people what they told you doesn't help you - provided it's actually true. you picked a wrong one, boy.



also, to both of you: this is a game and you, me... everyone here is playing at house's rules and nobody apart admin know the full code. don't you like the idea? feel free to show us how to improve. or ask him further details.

Maybe we can compile an easy list so the next update of HV they can slot those changes in easily?

see? this is a good starting point.

Well excuse me, 2hu snowflake

YOU come here, go on a tantrum, go mad at the entire world, refuse to listen to those who are telling you that you're missing the point, test everyone's patience. Yes, you don't seem to realize it, but several people here are having difficulties trying to contain you in a politically correct manner. But unlike them, when someone is being incorrect with me, I retaliate.

In case it's still not clear enough, this game is there just "for the lolz", to waste our time (and "hopefully" our real money) like we could waste it another way. So we're coming here to chill, chatter, and take things lightly. Someone who barges in with the flag of revolution and who vents his anger as soon as he arrives is not welcome. Especially when we're not the ones who have to deal with the potential imperfections that you've spotted. Not to mention that if you approach tenboro (the one who is behind the game) the same way than you did with us, he's probably not gonna take your speech well. Everyone here (including myself) is trying to bear with you, but that won't be his case.

So BEHAVE and be a bit more correct. That, is why I said you're a rageguy. If you've got claims (some of them are probably legit), do it properly and don't vent out your frustration on people who are nowhere near responsible. Next time that you're incorrect with me you're getting a one-way ticket to my ignore list, and believe me it is a very unconvenient thing for a low level player like you not to have the "2hu snowflake" at your disposal.



Now that it's been said once and for all, back to something a bit more technical that will answer your claims.
1) Yes it's not everything that is perfect in that game. I'm even one of those who are the most concerned in documenting it and getting the scripter to improve it.
2) Yes the descriptions aren't always crystal clear. But like it or not, it's plain impossible to have everything written with simple terms, because the game is complex. If anything, the vast majority of players don't really master the game mechanics, follow the meta and have very wrong beliefs. And no it's neither due to the wiki nor the ingame descriptions.
3) In other words, it's not to be pricks that we're telling you to experiment things and not to take things seriously, it's really because it's the best thing to do. Due to its complexity, there is absolutely no way for you to learn the game without experiencing things yourself. For example, I'm one of the 3 main wiki contributors, one of those who have the best knowledge of the game mechanics, all this because I'm one of those who experiment and try the most things.
4) If you've got a typo, a bug to report or something like that, use the proper thread for that, which is the thread of the current running version in that forum section. And again, be a good boy when you're posting in there.
5) As painful as it may sound, I maintain that there are things that "you don't need to know" in how the game works. First because some things are really pointless. Second because trying to explain you those things will induce you in error or will confuse you even more. Third because there are some things that are completely impossible to figure out by ourselves. In case you still don't get it: the wiki is built by the players, and solely with their experimentations as well as what information tenboro does let slip through. You have no idea how hard a task it is for us wiki contributors (I am one of them) to build/get information, or to prove that something is wrong.

Now, a small piece of very useful info: tenboro does things as he pleases with the game. If you want him to do something, you have to convince him with a solid file that will show how it will really benefit to the game (or the website) and the activity behind it. In case you don't know it yet, this game is a credits and hath sink, so the higher priority is to make it evolve so that the vast majority of players keeps being entertained and sinking their credits/hath in it. In other words, for minor concerns like those you're pointing out, I wish you good luck to find out the proper arguments that will motivate him. If you want/need help for this task, it'd be wise not to anger the experts and dhows a positive attitude.

Not going to write a TL;DR. You reading the entire essay with care is your punishment for disrespecting me and calling me the "2hu snwoflake" I'm certainly not. Over and out.

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So BEHAVE and be a bit more correct. That, is why I said you're a rageguy. If you've got claims (some of them are probably legit), do it properly and don't vent out your frustration on people who are nowhere near responsible. Next time that you're incorrect with me you're getting a one-way ticket to my ignore list, and believe me it is a very unconvenient thing for a low level player like you not to have the "2hu snowflake" at your disposal.
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I agreed with this, behave. for me it's not good to go "rampage" (or something like that) and calling someone 2hu or something like that. I think it's a bit rude. And that's why this game (and this forum) taught me a lot about patience in all aspects... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

My question, as long as i got "shadowdancer" suffix, is it allright if it has any prefix (shade armor)? And what is the best potencies for estoc? butt-fat, overpower-butt, or swift strike?

This post has been edited by igs88: May 11 2018, 04:24

My question, as long as i got "shadowdancer" suffix, is it allright if it has any prefix (shade armor)? And what is the best potencies for estoc? butt-fat, overpower-butt, or swift strike?

I think it's the same as power armor, Savage is still the best but any other prefix should be good enough as long as it's Shadowdancer suffix mmm...

And what is the best potencies for estoc? butt-fat, overpower-butt, or swift strike?

overpower-butcher or swift strike-butcher (frd), I guess

What the hell is a 2hu Snowflake?

It took me a year to find out what "uhu" meant.

Geebus on a pony eating a lolipop... What the hell is this world coming to?

I think it's the same as power armor, Savage is still the best but any other prefix should be good enough as long as it's Shadowdancer suffix mmm...

So shadowdancer = power slaughter...
I see..
Thanks (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

overpower-butcher or swift strike-butcher (frd), I guess

I see, thank you very much (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
Fat butt is only for 1h, right??

So shadowdancer = power slaughter...
I see..
Thanks (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
I see, thank you very much (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
Fat butt is only for 1h, right??

I think overpower is must, unless you don't play on pfudor (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

So shadowdancer = power slaughter...
I see..
Thanks (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
I see, thank you very much (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
Fat butt is only for 1h, right??

Fat-but also for DW with a club, but yes.