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And don't forget that every 2 AGI points is like getting 1 END point regarding PMit.

Still, the problem of Swift Strike is that there are better Potencies for your weapon.

The way I see it, Butcher is the top one, because it has the most significant effect in ALL the styles. You get normal damage, ele damage, critical damage and counter damage.

Afterwards is Fatality and Overpower, depending on your style.

And then, there is Swift Strike. You only have 9 potencies, and the ones mentioned have better effects than getting some attack speed.

Still, Haste is already pretty good for most cases, getting you 2 hits per tick (50% Attack Speed).

shortsword with OP, right?

Imperil-1h, with shortsword but also possible with rapier, and OP yeah.

Imperil-1h, with shortsword but also possible with rapier, and OP yeah.

ah, right. imperiling. wanted to give it a shot, but too lazy to cast imperil outside of FSM, especially given how little i play these days...

ah, right. imperiling. wanted to give it a shot, but too lazy to cast imperil outside of FSM, especially given how little i play these days...

Not getting tired of cuntwars yet? Time to return to the family (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)

Is he still playing that game i couldnt even get to work at all? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

Is he still playing that game i couldnt even get to work at all? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

he's the boss of the fan-wiki. King of the Cunts.

wiki owner and beta-tester even, now... -.-"

That is so you. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

How to make a equip link?
THX

That is so you. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

is it? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

How to make a equip link?
THX

there are instructions on wiki or on opening post of this thread, just in case...

wiki owner and beta-tester even, now... -.-"

beta tester? you get to try the cunts first? Noice!

beta tester? you get to try the cunts first? Noice!

Beta counts, who would want them. Final product or get out of there. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif)

(IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) Beta cunts = virgins cunts... Im my oppinion far better.

Thanks Arkoniusx.

Here is my Primary attributes and proficiencies.


I soulfuse the club not rapier as main-hand just because it's a hallowed slaughter one with 90% ADB, and I cannot afford a Leg slaughter rapier like that as main hand. I didn't soulfuse the mag slaughter rapier cause it's not worthy(ADB 46%, Parry 30% lv 245), and I don't have a better balance/nimble rapier which have IW10 and good attributes, so I use the slaughter rapier currently. As the experts suggested, an off-hand axe (no parry)is not a good choice at my level.

I have both the weapons IW10, and when playing I will use feather shards+voidseeker shard on them. In that situation my evade chance could increase to 43%.

Since I choose a more offensive way on weapons (slaughter club+balance rapier) as rapier+waki, I'm not sure if I can improve some defense on armors so I could play in PFUDOR.
Hope the experienced DW players could help on that. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Don't listen to Arkoniusx, I use Club/Rapier for DW and have used that for a long-ass time. It's far more offensive than shortsword+rapier, but less defensive than rapier+waki.

I'd say the most important attributes for rapier in offhand would be parry>crit chance>everything else.

ADB gets decreased by 20% in the offhand slot so it's not as important as the other stats. Also why you shouldn't get butcher in it, if you can afford IWing it to get something besides that. Such as Overpower or Fatality, or both.

Yeah, sex with a girl who doesnt knows what she doing in bed has to be the best at all. It really makes sense if you dont think about it.

Don't listen to Arkoniusx, I use Club/Rapier for DW and have used that for a long-ass time. It's far more offensive than shortsword+rapier, but less defensive than rapier+waki.

I'd say the most important attributes for rapier in offhand would be parry>crit chance>everything else.

ADB gets decreased by 20% in the offhand slot so it's not as important as the other stats. Also why you shouldn't get butcher in it, if you can afford IWing it to get something besides that. Such as Overpower or Fatality, or both.

Whatever, I'm just talking about my experience using a rapier and club combination.

You could try to tell me in words ashlikt what exactly you do when you are fighting, what spells you use, what special skills you use and when, and how many times you use the cure or full cure spell.

Because in my opinion, a good DW-style player should not use the cure spell at all, rather than in its due emergencies, because if you have a good attack, the enemies that remain should not harm you more than the spell regeneration and health drought combined make you recover, although once again, that alone is my point of view

This post has been edited by Arkoniusx: Sep 21 2019, 22:34

Actually, both Club+Rapier and Sword+Rapier are viable. The former has a higher offense (ADB, stun allowing more consistant damage), the latter a higher defense (parry+DEX+AGI).
Whichever is the best depends on your survivability overall.

Arkoniusx, have you tried PFUDOR? I mean, not a short arena or RE, but something like DwD or IW.

Just that the statement you made usually only applies to those who are properly geared and forged, and not always.

Whatever, I'm just talking about my experience using a rapier and club combination.

You could try to tell me in words ashlikt what exactly you do when you are fighting, what spells you use, what special skills you use and when, and how many times you use the cure or full cure spell.

Because in my opinion, a good DW-style player should not use the cure spell at all, rather than in its due emergencies, because if you have a good attack, the enemies that remain should not harm you more than the spell regeneration and health drought combined make you recover, although once again, that alone is my point of view

I think this is extremely ambitious - even for arena-only play, at lower levels it will be hard to achieve this. It is naive to think this would be achievable for IW except perhaps using a specific, max-forged defensive setup, and likely it is not possible for fests altogether.

That aside, I also think it's a misguided goal - minimizing cure usage is a luxury afforded to 1H players as a means of reducing the attention required to play the game, but that is because they can get some seriously high defensive stats even without defensive armor suffixes, and even higher with them. For a dual-wield player, sacrificing offense for the sake of curing less will probably not improve your clear times, but rather it may actually slow you down.

The conventional advice for DW players is that slaughter club + balance rapier is perfectly viable - and preferable - for arenas. If you need a quick boost to survivability, a nimble rapier can be used instead (this is the setup I used for 100-round IWs on PFUDOR, without issue). Aim to get legendary armor pieces as soon as possible - fleet and negation are both perfectly usable at lower levels, and they're a whole lot cheaper than shadowdancer - and consider forging important stats to at least 5 or 10 - like parry on a weapon, evade and endurance on a breastplate, etc.

If you can't make it straight into PFUDOR as DW, there is no shame in that. Survival gets easier as you level up.

And for Arkonius - and I hope I'm not being too elitist here - I don't know if you're clearing PFUDOR DWD yet, or if you even have full legendary gear... but maybe it would be best to limit your input into the Experts thread to referencing the wiki, or conventional advice from the beginning of this thread, rather than the anecdotal evidence of a still-novice... it's misleading, at best, to those who come here looking for authoritative, well-established answers.

(And I myself have stopped answering so much on account of how frequently my experience proves incomplete...)

This post has been edited by lestion: Sep 21 2019, 23:06

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One-Handed    421.600  Staff       343.905
Two-Handed    343.935  Elemental   343.905
Dual Wielding 362.570  Divine      343.905
Cloth Armor   343.927  Forbidden   343.905
Light Armor   362.570  Deprecating 398.293
Heavy Armor   421.600  Supportive  413.163

While we are on the subject this is what my Proficiencies look like at level 377. I don't play Imperil style but I've been keeping that proficiency up just in case I decide to switch in the future. I have Better Imperil, Dark Imperil, and Holy Imperil fully trained but I left Faster Imperil at level 2 with a single target so that it costs the minimum amount of mana. I cast Imperil once in each of the later rounds of arenas when my mana is overflowing so that I finish without too much unused mana (I never use potions or draughts).

As my level increases my mana supply does as well, so eventually at higher level and with Gold Star (for increased MP/SP regen) I may train Faster Imperil someday. Until then, I just try to keep the proficiency up and hope that doing so doesn't slow me down too much. It's kind of sad that my Deprecating is above my DW and Light Armor proficiencies even though I consider myself fairly experienced in DW style. That happens because the most recent styles you used matter much more.

Imperil won't yield as much improvement with holy/dark weapons or those who don't use weapon infusions regularly. Research for 1H assumed the use of weapon infusion, without it Fatality improves from a 2.2% boost to a 2.5% boost, and is a 3.8% boost for supers. Enemy elemental resistance can't drop below 0 so Schoolgirls don't get any holy/dark damage improvement from Imperil. 1H Shortsword obviously benefits from Imperil no matter what.

The recommended way to fight in DW style is Rapier and Shortsword, putting in the main hand the weapon that most attack accuracy and attack critical chance, since it will be the weapon that does the most damage, I recommend a Rapier of prefix balance in the main hand, and a short sword of slaugther prefix in the off-hand

I think you are actually backwards on this, except for perhaps on players of very low level. High level DW players eventually have enough accuracy in the main hand. Can they reach 200% with fully upgraded axe or club? Accuracy is crucial in the offhand because it determines your offhand strike chance. Best offensive choice is a Balance weapon in offhand but you can also use Slaughter/Nimble with high accuracy roll and upgrade its accuracy. Shortswords have the highest accuracy and can almost reach 100% offhand strike without Balance suffix.

If you have a Rapier of Balance and Shortsword/Wakizashi of Slaughter, it's better to use the Rapier in offhand even though this seems backwards. This is an unconventional DW pairing but should work well. There are many effective DW pairings besides the commonly seen ones.