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@ Conquest101

That's a pretty good dagger. I like the one you sold me more, though, and it's a steal at 1,000C! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Everything has its own use. I value parry on weapons right near the very bottom of the scale though as far as equipment goes, since it's pretty worthless in practice. If I wanted to neuter my damage, I'd use a shield and gain twice the benefit (not that I neuter myself by meleeing anyways, but IF I did (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)). Daggers in general need to be buffed. They're one of those middle ground items like every staff but Ebony/Katalox that don't fulfill any proper function.

Meh, I get like 75% axe/rapier drops for 2 days running, than when I finally roll an exquisite, it's a dagger. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

This post has been edited by Conquest101: Nov 18 2010, 09:07

has your new level of LOD been any help?

I haven't trained any new LoD. That's just the usual garbage I get from battletoad arenas.

[Average Oak Staff of Heimdall]
[Fair Oak Staff of Heimdall]
[Fine Oak Staff of Heimdall]
[Fine Willow Staff of the Fox]
[Fine Redwood Staff of Focus]

[Superior Cotton Robe of Protection]
[Superior Prism Mace of Slaughter]
[Superior Cotton Shoes of the Thunder-child]
[Superior Cotton Pants of the Shielding Aura]
[Superior Cotton Gloves of the Wind-waker]
[Superior Leather Boots of Warding]

[Fair Prism Buckler of Warding]
[Fine Prism Buckler of the Fleet]
[Fine Prism Kite Shield of Protection]
[Fine Prism Kite Shield of Protection]

[Average Platinum Plate Helmet of Deflection]

Everything has its own use. I value parry on weapons right near the very bottom of the scale though as far as equipment goes, since it's pretty worthless in practice. If I wanted to neuter my damage, I'd use a shield and gain twice the benefit (not that I neuter myself by meleeing anyways, but IF I did (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)). Daggers in general need to be buffed. They're one of those middle ground items like every staff but Ebony/Katalox that don't fulfill any proper function.

I disagree, despite the extra damage and bleed, you'll survive longer with the parry one (try EoD and you'll see), the shield won't give you twice the benefit as you think, because it's takes too long to kill stuff, you'll end recasting the usual spells. (the dagger can have low ADM, but you still have 50% off-hand strike, and bleed)

Edit: I use my slaughter over the parry one because it's faster to kill, and I like to make 1-hit KO's (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

This post has been edited by cmdct: Nov 18 2010, 11:27

I disagree, despite the extra damage and bleed, you'll survive longer with the parry one (try EoD and you'll see), the shield won't give you twice the benefit as you think, because it's takes too long to kill stuff, you'll end recasting the usual spells. (the dagger can have low ADM, but you still have 50% off-hand strike, and bleed)

Edit: I use my slaughter over the parry one because it's faster to kill, and I like to make 1-hit KO's (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

Keep in mind that cmal cleared EoD as a melee with rapier/shield. So far he's still the only melee to do it, no?
Try EoD with a dagger? Why bring up a completely pointless usage like that? It's like saying, "hey, using a high PA estoc in EoD is better than using a high ADM estoc" (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Not that I'd recommend a dagger for everyday use, but if you had no choice and could only pick one, would you really go with a parry dagger over a slaughter or bleed one?

Also your last line kinda contradicts your own argument. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

This post has been edited by Conquest101: Nov 18 2010, 11:45

27 10 Arena Clear Bonus! [Fine Cotton Pants of Warding]

23 7 Fire Fox dropped [Average Leather Boots of Warding]

39 5 Mantitcore dropped [Average Leather Helmet of Negation]

28 8 Manthra dropped [Average Mithril Club of Slaughter]

38 12 Arena Clear Bonus! [Fine Redwood Staff of the Owl]

I like mine better because your dagger looks more like a short sword rather than a dagger. That's it.

Don't get me wrong, it's a good dagger, but I would pick a good short sword instead if I want to use weapon with that kind of characteristic.

At the moment, any combination that didn't ruin my defense entirely, still can't do a reliable 1-shot yet, so I still use the nimble one.

I just tried using Shield again just a moment ago, it's pretty good actually, but it's boring, as if melee isn't boring enough.. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif)

Keep in mind that cmal cleared EoD as a melee with rapier/shield. So far he's still the only melee to do it, no?
Try EoD with a dagger? Why bring up a completely pointless usage like that? It's like saying, "hey, using a high PA estoc in EoD is better than using a high ADM estoc" (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Let's make a bet them, if I clear EoD with a dagger, and without scrolls/infusions, you'll give me this, if I can't clear it until 28th of November 2010 I'll give you this instead. (I'll have 10 days)
What you say?

Not that I'd recommend a dagger for everyday use, but if you had no choice and could only pick one, would you really go with a parry dagger over a slaughter or bleed one?

Also your last line kinda contradicts your own argument. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

For everyday I'll definitely use the slaughter one.
For specific uses, the bleed one it depends what bleed and stats it have, to overcome the slaughter one, and I don't have any to see the difference.
The parry, makes you survive longer, either it's grind or vs legendary there's no mistake in that.

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Let's make a bet them, if I clear EoD with a dagger, and without scrolls/infusions, you'll give me this, if I can't clear it until 28th of November 2010 I'll give you this instead. (I'll have 10 days)
What you say?

Wait what?
First off, I have no doubt it's possible to clear EoD with a dagger just like it's probably possible to clear it with any number of inferior equipment combinations. I never said that a dagger couldn't be used for EoD. My point was that nobody WOULD use one for EoD anyway, except as some sort of masochistic ritual to win a bet apparently, so "you'll survive longer with the parry one (try EoD and you'll see)" isn't an argument. Hence my estoc example.
Second, why would would I want another exquisite dagger that, by my own argument, is inferior to my current one?
Third, this bet kinda sucks for you. You have to do all the work in order to make me part with a dagger I will likely never use and apparently don't value that much. Btw, if you want to use/try that dagger, I'd be happy to loan it to you. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

For everyday I'll definitely use the slaughter one.
For specific uses, the bleed one it depends what bleed and stats it have, to overcome the slaughter one, and I don't have any to see the difference.
The parry, makes you survive longer, either it's grind or vs legendary there's no mistake in that.

You also survive longer if you kill things faster. The basic tenet of maging.
So for everyday use, you'd definitely use the slaughter one. That WAS kinda my whole point (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

This post has been edited by Conquest101: Nov 18 2010, 13:22

Wait what?
First off, I have no doubt it's possible to clear EoD with a dagger just like it's probably possible to clear it with any number of inferior equipment combinations. I never said that a dagger couldn't be used for EoD. My point was that nobody WOULD use one for EoD anyway, except as some sort of masochistic ritual to win a bet apparently, so "you'll survive longer with the parry one (try EoD and you'll see)" isn't an argument. Hence my estoc example.

Lol masochistic ritual.

Second, why would would I want another exquisite dagger that, by my own argument, is inferior to my current one?
Third, this bet kinda sucks for you. You have to do all the work in order to make me part with a dagger I will likely never use and apparently don't value that much. Btw, if you want to use/try that dagger, I'd be happy to loan it to you. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Because I can't really prove I'm using a dagger, only it's DW and the off-hand it's slashing type, so it was bet we din't lose anything we really valuable, and it's not a extra work for me, since I'm gonna do it one day or another.

You also survive longer if you kill things faster. The basic tenet of maging.
So for everyday use, you'd definitely use the slaughter one. That WAS kinda my whole point (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

I know if you kill things faster you survive longer, but you need to cast cure no. You know I've tested the parry 10 levels below, and it always made me survive longer.

So for everyday use, you'd definitely use the slaughter one. That WAS kinda my whole point (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

Ok ok, you win (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
But in my defense I wasn't saying you shouldn't sold the parry dagger, just to remind parry daggers are good.

But in my defense I wasn't saying you shouldn't sold the parry dagger, just to remind parry daggers are good.

(IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) What parry dagger I sold?

(IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) What parry dagger I sold?

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@ Conquest101

That's a pretty good dagger. I like the one you sold me more, though, and it's a steal at 1,000C! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

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Oh. I totally didn't even notice he said that I sold it to him. I remember the transaction itself now, if not the dagger. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) That was quite awhile ago going by that level.

what do you think about the parry on these?

Fine Prism Dagger of the Nimble
Superior Prism Dagger of the Nimble
Superior Prism Rapier of the Nimble
Superior Prism Rapier of the Nimble (needs some levels)

I think I'll use the 6@22% rapier in the offhand most of the time while using axe, eth sword as main or a sword chuck someplace.

what do you think about the parry on these?

Fine Prism Dagger of the Nimble
Superior Prism Dagger of the Nimble
Superior Prism Rapier of the Nimble
Superior Prism Rapier of the Nimble (needs some levels)

I think I'll use the 6@22% rapier in the offhand most of the time while using axe, eth sword as main or a sword chuck someplace.

Well, you already know my opinion about parry daggers. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
The rapiers are nice off-handers though.

My thought..

- I'm kinda imagine that High LV player probably need less protections, so the Rapier seem to be a better idea.

- If I were you, I would choose the 22% Rapier as well. that's a nice thing you got there. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

- For me, however, the parry amount is a tad bit too low to my liking to called it "of Nimble" I would sacrifice a few parry and op to use something like this (please scale it to your LV for comparison sake) instead, or try looking for better one. This is just my opinion, not an advice or recommendation.

- If you don't need to PA, then go with the dagger, since the only reason to equip Rapier is for PA.

- Best thing would be.. ditch all of these, and continue maging. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

@ Conquest101

I like killing fast too, but what if the Slaughter doesn't make you kill things faster?

The jump from 2-hit kill to 1-hit kill is very steep indeed.. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wacko.gif)

PS. If MOD see this, I request to move this discussions elsewhere.

This post has been edited by buktore: Nov 18 2010, 16:22

Arenas:

81 4 Giant Panda dropped [Crude Leather Helmet of Warding]
73 8 Green Slime dropped [Average Mithril Longsword of the Ox]
12 8 Cookie Monster dropped [Crude Mithril Chainmail Mitons of Protection]
139 8 Rabid Hamster dropped [Average Mithril Plate Sabatons of the Shielding Aura]
5 13 Amphibious Sperm Whale dropped [Crude Cotton Gloves of Warding]
194 6 Cockatrice dropped [Fair Leather Helmet of Warding]
173 11 Arena Clear Bonus! [Average Mithril Longsword of the Ox]
108 6 Mantitcore dropped [Fair Mithril Chainmail Coif of Protection]
108 5 Zombie Cow dropped [Average Silk Shoes of Warding]
36 6 Manthra dropped [Fair Silk Pants of the Raccoon]
8 5 Green Slime dropped [Fair Mithril Axe of Slaughter]

Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch [Average Cotton Cap of Protection]
Dalek Voicebox [Crude Cotton Cap of the Fire-eater]

Not so Superior Gossamer Pants of the fox