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post Apr 20 2019, 10:38
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+1 here too.

if they want it to be pinned, it *has* to be just an auction, with their own rules (as long as they are reasonable), otherwise, just stick with default ones. for example, not really mandatory to introduce a rule against snipers, it's just highly recommended.

if they also throw some WTS section inside, they are basically giving up the chance to be in pin section.

as for time, well... it'll be pinned as soon as we see it (which means roughly the first day it's open), and i'd say for it to be unpinned when we unpin the usual ones (mondays? tuesdays? whatever).



also, if this is the general stance i guess rules should adapt to officially reflect this.
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post Apr 20 2019, 13:04
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Apr 20 2019, 15:38) *

as for time, well... it'll be pinned as soon as we see it (which means roughly the first day it's open), and i'd say for it to be unpinned when we unpin the usual ones (mondays? tuesdays? whatever).


Shouldn't any auction thread get unpinned whenever it's over - as soon as possible.
it served it's purpose at that point, whats left are personal business between the auctioneer, seller and buyer, there's little to nothing pinning it benefit the rest of community.

keeping it pinned for too long would just like inviting people to spam it. At best it's people commenting on the price or the auction auction, but it could go worse like some illiterate who refuse to read a red "auction is over" stamp and bid anyway - which literally is a spam.
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post Apr 20 2019, 13:32
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QUOTE(Fudo Masamune @ Apr 20 2019, 13:04) *

Shouldn't any auction thread get unpinned whenever it's over - as soon as possible.
it served it's purpose at that point, whats left are personal business between the auctioneer, seller and buyer, there's little to nothing pinning it benefit the rest of community.

keeping it pinned for too long would just like inviting people to spam it. At best it's people commenting on the price or the auction auction, but it could go worse like some illiterate who refuse to read a red "auction is over" stamp and bid anyway - which literally is a spam.

which is why while unpinning them, we usually lock them too (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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post Apr 21 2019, 07:27
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This may not be too big of an issue, but recently I've found threads in HV chat that are better posted as replies in Ask the Experts thread. Maybe disable new thread on the chat or at least for lurkers and make it more evident that questions should be posted on the Ask the Experts thread?

Of course this shouldn't be done at the expense of newcomers' accessibility to asking questions, but just my two cents.
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post Apr 21 2019, 08:08
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QUOTE(Saioux @ Apr 21 2019, 06:27) *

This may not be too big of an issue, but recently I've found threads in HV chat that are better posted as replies in Ask the Experts thread. Maybe disable new thread on the chat or at least for lurkers and make it more evident that questions should be posted on the Ask the Experts thread?

Of course this shouldn't be done at the expense of newcomers' accessibility to asking questions, but just my two cents.


You can't make it a whole lot more obvious without renaming ask the experts to ASK ALL QUESTIONS HERE (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
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post Apr 21 2019, 09:16
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Worry not, people will continue to barge in and post their questions because -god only knows why - they are persuaded that the same question asked by a different person has more dignity or something like that.

Either way, that solution would require administrative rights.
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post Apr 21 2019, 10:23
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what plebians like us who have no moderator right could do is stop answering those question directly and point them to the ask the expert thread instead.
and if somebody already point them to the ask the expert thread, don't bump the thread by answering it (even an 'ask on the ask the expert' answer) and let it drift away to the fjord.

on the other hand ask the expert massive number of pages is kind of overwhelming for new member, particularly for (I guess) younger people majority who are more accustomed to short fire and forget discussion a la twitter/facebook.
some people might think that their answer will get unanswered and drift away on such big thread, or even if it's unanswered it will be pages of backtracking when they return as many other question and answer posted inbetween, and various unnecessary concern from the mindset they had before about discussion thread.
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post Apr 21 2019, 10:30
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QUOTE(Fudo Masamune @ Apr 21 2019, 10:23) *

on the other hand ask the expert massive number of pages is kind of overwhelming for new member, particularly for (I guess) younger people majority who are more accustomed to short fire and forget discussion a la twitter/facebook.

principle is simple: if you want to be part of a community, you should do a minimum of effort to try and enter it. this also includes using english as much as possible.

also, if they don't remember where they posted the next time they enter the forum, just go with a relatively standard approach: press the orange square and start reading from that point onward. answer (if it exists) tends to be quite near, so...
on other forums the only thing that can change is a banner "new" in stead of the orange square, but still...
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post Apr 21 2019, 10:49
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Apr 21 2019, 15:30) *

principle is simple: if you want to be part of a community, you should do a minimum of effort to try and enter it. this also includes using english as much as possible.

also, if they don't remember where they posted the next time they enter the forum, just go with a relatively standard approach: press the orange square and start reading from that point onward. answer (if it exists) tends to be quite near, so...
on other forums the only thing that can change is a banner "new" in stead of the orange square, but still...


yeah, it's THAT easy, even searching your past post from years ago is as easy as waiting 20 seconds after clicking find member post on your own profile, but still...

anyway, isn't changing the thread title and description is open for thread starter, and last time I check it's still you.
while I think changing the thread title to "ASK ALL QUESTION HERE" as lestion said is a bit excessive, I guess changing the description from "ask for advice" to "ask anything about hentaiverse - even dumb question one are welcome" (or something like that) is a fair start.
I mean "Can you spawn random encounters without going to galleries?" isn't specifically asking for advice afterall.
and regardless the content and intention, the thread description specifically said "Post your stats" and "ask for advice"
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post Apr 21 2019, 11:01
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I agree that AtE is an inappropriate name that doesn't make it obvious enough.
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post Apr 21 2019, 11:09
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Honestly, I don't really see a serious side effect to ridding everyone except for mods the permission of posting on HV chats.

There are forums made up of hundreds of small threads that come and go, but HV chat essentially everything belongs to Ask the Experts, Accomplishments, a few other threads, and Official My Little Ponyverse. Hell, Ponyverse thread explicitly serves the purpose of etc. topics lol.

AtE can get its name changed, but I'm somewhat against it cuz, 1) posters gonna post anyways 2) the name is so catchy (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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post Apr 21 2019, 15:17
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To be honest, I don't think redirecting to Ask the Experts is such a good idea to begin with.
Prevent users to have a title in addition to post (sometimes it help a lot to understand), and also, sometimes the Ask the Experts is filled with fast privates discussions, quickly sinking/burrowing/suffocating to death any attempt of an user to ask for something and get an answer, and may also make them feel like they're interfering with the chats going on.
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post Apr 21 2019, 15:57
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QUOTE(uareader @ Apr 21 2019, 16:17) *

sometimes the Ask the Experts is filled with fast privates discussions, quickly sinking/burrowing/suffocating to death any attempt of an user to ask for something and get an answer, and may also make them feel like they're interfering with the chats going on.


IMHO, Ask the Experts serves it's purpose good enough and shy users won't create new topics anyway so it's a good barrier against creating living hell. Maybe "ask again after 24 hours if you didn't get answer" notice will work?

QUOTE(decondelite @ Apr 20 2019, 10:01) *

I'd say that in all cases, an entire week is enough. Going beyond that is perfectly useless, for no real reason.


I double it - covering weekly schedule works best.
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post Apr 21 2019, 21:31
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QUOTE(uareader @ Apr 21 2019, 14:17) *

To be honest, I don't think redirecting to Ask the Experts is such a good idea to begin with.
Prevent users to have a title in addition to post (sometimes it help a lot to understand), and also, sometimes the Ask the Experts is filled with fast privates discussions, quickly sinking/burrowing/suffocating to death any attempt of an user to ask for something and get an answer, and may also make them feel like they're interfering with the chats going on.


I don't actually disagree with this, and I'd be fine with newbies making their own threads for personalised help but... I guess part of the problem is that the forum serves as the primary front for all HV player chat (I guess maybe a bunch of people are checking in from work and couldn't use a different chat client like discord? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif))

It'd get bogged down real quick with tons of threads to check, I guess

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post Apr 21 2019, 21:50
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QUOTE(lestion @ Apr 21 2019, 21:31) *

couldn't use a different chat client like discord? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

friendly reminder: HV higherups don't like discord - so if you'll ever see a server claiming to be EH official server, that's not run by tenboro at the very least

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unless something changed in the last month or two and i'm completely oblivious of that, that is...
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post Apr 22 2019, 04:05
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From IRC two days ago:

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04/19 »« 16:11:12 <Jenny> Is there a discord server?
04/19 »« 16:12:50 <@Maximum_Joe> We don't do discord
04/19 »« 16:13:26 <Jenny> because their arbitrary TOS rules?
04/19 »« 16:14:04 <@Maximum_Joe> That's one part of it
04/19 »« 16:15:10 <~tenboro> more like this channel was created ten years before discord was even conceived, and there is no compelling reason to switch


Stick with what we got kids.
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post Apr 22 2019, 07:46
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QUOTE(tazmanian devil @ Apr 22 2019, 09:05) *

From IRC two days ago:

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04/19 »« 16:11:12 <Jenny> Is there a discord server?
04/19 »« 16:12:50 <@Maximum_Joe> We don't do discord
04/19 »« 16:13:26 <Jenny> because their arbitrary TOS rules?
04/19 »« 16:14:04 <@Maximum_Joe> That's one part of it
04/19 »« 16:15:10 <~tenboro> more like this channel was created ten years before discord was even conceived, and there is no compelling reason to switch


Stick with what we got kids.



but mooommm, all girls across the street using discord... if... if... if I'm not joining them, I won't have any friends, do you wants me to become a hikkikomori and screwing myself using your handout dildo while translating gay doujin for the rest of my life? I wants some real yuri action too mom... pleaseee~~

joke aside, I believe discord client is just a heavily modified chromium browser, and sometimes that thing could get as heavy as skype, it's not even funny (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) replacing irc client with that? no thanks.
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post Apr 22 2019, 08:08
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QUOTE(Fudo Masamune @ Apr 22 2019, 06:46) *
joke aside, I believe discord client is just a heavily modified chromium browser, and sometimes that thing could get as heavy as skype, it's not even funny (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) replacing irc client with that? no thanks.


Just an example of a popular client these days! I have no qualms with IRC either, but is there a HV-specific room? General e-h wouldn't be a lot of good to me (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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post Apr 22 2019, 09:02
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QUOTE(lestion @ Apr 22 2019, 01:08) *

Just an example of a popular client these days! I have no qualms with IRC either, but is there a HV-specific room? General e-h wouldn't be a lot of good to me (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

All topics are open for discussion in the one main channel. Heck, half of the time the chatter has nothing to do with the site at all.
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post Apr 22 2019, 09:51
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QUOTE(tazmanian devil @ Apr 22 2019, 09:02) *

All topics are open for discussion in the one main channel. Heck, half of the time the chatter has nothing to do with the site at all.

Very true.

I'm there quite often, and decondelite as well. We often chat about HV, feel free to visit.
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