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post Jan 17 2017, 20:44
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Deal with it. RKN-chan best evil mistress. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)
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post Jan 17 2017, 21:31
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QUOTE(blue penguin @ Jan 17 2017, 17:43) *

And there you go again: "You fight for me 'cause i'm too lazy". Or closer to the text above: "No one demanded you to not help me so i demand that you help me". You're not entitled to anything, access is not a right and not a commodity.

And that is the main and only reason we enjoy so much beating the shit out of you.

Lol, beating.. low quality troll says that he beats me by repeating truism over and over. Yes you're troll, because that statement about "lazy" is irrelevant.Why Teneb didn't answered question why it's blocked? It is only his doing that site is blocked, so it's question to him. Even if RKN would be shutdown, the block still stays here.

He actually did same thing as company behind Gild Wars and Wildstar:
1. They lied that USA law forbid them to give russians, ukrainians, belarussians and several other countries access to NA and EU servers of games.
2. When they were told that law doesn't extend to EU site and that law doesn't extend on their operation at all, they edited that, said that it is Russia law is the reason. That didn't explained why other countries were excluded.
3. They edited that gains. Now it is "we just did so for security reasons". At least that was truthful.
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post Jan 17 2017, 21:35
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It's already been mentioned that this conversation has long since run its course and devolved into what's little more than a kind of lurid entertainment for everybody else, right?

And I do feel bad about all this, very bad for that matter...... but yeah, just sayin' is all.


Long since? Block on website was implemented several days ago by Teneb, before that EH was accessible.
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post Jan 17 2017, 21:51
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QUOTE(rimefox @ Jan 17 2017, 19:31) *
At least that was truthful
Well, some people call it trolling. Other's call it social engineering. Other's have the idea that i'm simply tiring you out. And even other's would go with "sketch actor".

I'll go with the later since my only purpose is to provide cheap entertainment to the general forum audience.

And, since we are in meta-talk territory:
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Even if RKN would be shutdown, the block still stays here.
How did you even end with that conclusion? No wait, you are actually making all those posts because you want to provoke that scenario. Right?

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post Jan 17 2017, 22:07
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Double post 'cause this one I'm doing as a forum mod (not entertainer).

@rimefox

1. The forum rules (notably rule 3) argues:
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pictures involving rape, scat, torture, and anything found to be generally offensive by the staff may be removed
Therefore please do not overuse the report button for images that do not fit the description.

2. I can read russian quite decently. And am confident that the image do not contain: вы трахал собаку (although it is similar). Even then, that is much, much, much less than 90% of images to be found in the EH galleries. 'Tis not even offensive unless you say that directly to someone, in the correct mood.

One thing is having some fun with you. Another is you causing extra work for the moderation team.

Now back on topic (!?)
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post Jan 17 2017, 22:09
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QUOTE(blue penguin @ Jan 17 2017, 22:51) *

And, since we are in meta-talk territory:How did you even end with that conclusion? No wait, you are actually making all those posts because you want to provoke that scenario. Right?


Well your logic fails youre , I suppose.

A - Russian IPs are blocked from accessing website
B - RKN gets disbanded. Registry of flagged urls gets removed and IPS stop blocking those URLs. Nothing else ever happens
C - EH is not accessible from Russia


A^ B => C

equals to
A => C

Because even if RKN registry get removed (and it whole purpose is to suggest ISPs what they MUST block) , noone would inform its owners about that event. Same happens if they remove EH from flagged list, they never will inform Teneb about it (they obliged inform on opposite but not on removal).

If Teneb stops blocking Russian IP adresses:

!A => !C

for exclusion of _some_ internet service providers that explicitly block porn.
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post Jan 17 2017, 22:17
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2. I can read russian quite decently. And am confident that the image do not contain: вы трахал собаку (although it is similar). Even then, that is much, much, much less than 90% of images to be found in the EH galleries. 'Tis not even offensive unless you say that directly to someone, in the correct mood.

One thing is having some fun with you. Another is you causing extra work for the moderation team.

Now back on topic (!?)

It's not similar.. that's colliqialism that is equal to american "You're fucked" , "You're screwed", then there is _comma_, then word dog used as insult directed at recipient, it's same grave insult as with calling a spaniard "dog". The whole phase is offensive, and speaking about RKn, they would flag that one because of first word, by local law that one result in fine if someone types that comment , forum or sais aloud in public. SOme pictures on-site wer blocked for similar reason, not because it is porn! We joke that RKN thought that Demolition Man was a real thing and implemented that on practice (monitoring is shit though). You may translate it word by word, it doesn't mean that you understand russian decently (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

Literally it means:
"There is <slur word for female bits> for you, you - dog" Russian full of incomplete and elliptic phrases, especially in swearing area. I agree it could be used in humourous way, if not seriously said, but that's generally offensive

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post Jan 17 2017, 22:24
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QUOTE(rimefox @ Jan 17 2017, 20:31) *

Why Teneb didn't answered question why it's blocked?

It's extremely unlikely you'll get a straight answer. Iirc, the closest we ever got during the Wani thing was "muh snakes in the grass" and that impacted the entirety of the site. I'm kinda surpised the thread isn't locked yet, actually.

Edit: does HV still work for russian users? Too lazy to read the entire thing.

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post Jan 17 2017, 22:29
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QUOTE(chivoef @ Jan 17 2017, 23:24) *

It's extremely unlikely you'll get a straight answer. Iirc, the closest we ever got during the Wani thing was "muh snakes in the grass" and that impacted the entirety of the site. I'm kinda surprised the thread isn't locked yet, actually.


Because it would re-spawned by someone else and it is easier to keep topic to one thread? My first question actually was how I even would do takedown if cant see images on site (even through VPN).

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post Jan 17 2017, 22:35
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Back to takedown:

A | B => C

'tis ASCII modal notation

| disjunction
! negation
<=> equivalence
^ conjunction A ^ B <=> !(A => !B) <=> !(!A | !B)
=> implication A => B <=> !A | B

Therefore you can't start with A ^ B => C
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post Jan 17 2017, 22:42
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QUOTE(chivoef @ Jan 17 2017, 23:24) *

It's extremely unlikely you'll get a straight answer. Iirc, the closest we ever got during the Wani thing was "muh snakes in the grass" and that impacted the entirety of the site. I'm kinda surpised the thread isn't locked yet, actually.

Edit: does HV still work for russian users? Too lazy to read the entire thing.

Everything works except things on g.e domain, so stuff like main galleries, my home and expunge/rename/tag trackers require a proxy.
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post Jan 17 2017, 22:45
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QUOTE(blue penguin @ Jan 17 2017, 23:35) *

Back to takedown:

A | B => C

'tis ASCII modal notation

| disjunction
! negation
<=> equivalence
^ conjunction A ^ B <=> !(A => !B) <=> !(!A | !B)
=> implication A => B <=> !A | B

Therefore you can't start with A ^ B => C

ah, as I said not my major (and had it in school 30 years ago), and some operations are missing.. so..

A => C
B => !C

but why if A and B are both taking place they are independent C ^ !C <=> C ?
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post Jan 17 2017, 22:50
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QUOTE(cmos @ Jan 17 2017, 23:42) *

Everything works except things on g.e domain, so stuff like main galleries, my home and expunge/rename/tag trackers require a proxy.

everything works for me, proxy not required unless site identifies IP as russian (some IP ranges it can't identify, because shared IPSs breach ICANN registration and use same ranges for Ukraine and Russia, for Belarus and Russia). In fact EH blocked part of Ukraine, Georgia and Belarus too, not only Russia.

forums.e-hentai.org works perfectly, no VPN here

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But thee is a catch there, see D, E, F

A : RKN blocks EH
B : EH blocks russian IPs
C : Can't perform takedown
D : RKN forbids handmade VPNs
E : RKN works (is not defunct)
F : Use a proxy (or handmade VPN)

E => A
A | B => C
F => !C

But

E => D
D => !F

So

!E => !D <=> !E => !C
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post Jan 17 2017, 22:55
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QUOTE(rimefox @ Jan 17 2017, 21:29) *

Because it would re-spawned by someone else and it is easier to keep topic to one thread?.

If there's one thing mods around here are capable of, it's sweeping things under the proverbial rug.

QUOTE(cmos @ Jan 17 2017, 21:42) *

Everything works except things on g.e domain, so stuff like main galleries, my home and expunge/rename/tag trackers require a proxy.

Thanks.
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post Jan 17 2017, 23:02
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QUOTE(blue penguin @ Jan 17 2017, 23:53) *

But thee is a catch there, see D, E, F

A : RKN blocks EH



A is false, RKN doens't block EH. Some ISPs do. I gave above link to website where is all data about that.. if EH was blocked, there would be entry with "block by IP" or block by domain for whole site or whole domain.

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QUOTE(rimefox @ Jan 17 2017, 21:02) *
A is false, RKN doens't block EH. Some ISPs do. I gave above link to website where is all data about that.. if EH was blocked, there would be entry with "block by IP" or block by domain for whole site or whole domain.
Damn, we are three pages back again.

Well, EH doesn't block russain IPs.
<It is as true a statement as yours 'cause you're saying yours and i'm sayign mine.>

Who told you that?
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post Jan 17 2017, 23:29
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QUOTE(rimefox @ Jan 17 2017, 13:35) *

Long since? Block on website was implemented several days ago by Teneb, before that EH was accessible.


"Long since" as in, you know, 5+ fucking days and going on ten fucking solid forum pages of people coming here and saying the exact same fucking things over and over and over, yes, yes indeed, "long since", in my opinion tooooootally applies here.

Again, sorry this shit's gone down on y'all, but seriously, just how many times and ways do some of you need to be told "no" on this?
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post Jan 17 2017, 23:41
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Answer from 81.171.20.5:80 (in plain text, not html) if accessed from address that is in Russian range:

"This content is not available in Russia."

through https - same thing.

If ISP blocks because of RKN ruling, on the listed page appears like this (each ISP puts own logo, some have custom layouts), it's a law requirement (redirection happens through dummy web-page sent by ISP proxy, source of page and certificate will not match supposed target):

(IMG:[gosvopros.ru] http://gosvopros.ru/upload/authors/Sentinel/september16/No-blocks-4.png)

If it is blocked by ISP (which my ISP doesn't), it is 404 error, DNS simply doesn't have that entry. Sometimes it happens by mistake when DNS got issues.


I may suspect that if what you say true, then it is blockade by EH's firewall or hosting\CMS settings


PS. I tracerouted IP as well as checked with my ISP - no restrictiong applied by them. I cut off my personal data, and leaving only extrenal part of route:
CODE

11    32 ms    33 ms    44 ms  kivi-cr01-ae8.78.hel.stream-internet.net [212.188.54.2]
12    38 ms    39 ms    39 ms  bro-cr01-be7.135.stk.stream-internet.net [195.34.50.146]
13    38 ms    39 ms    37 ms  netnod-ix-ge-a-sth-1500.leaseweb.com [194.68.123.160]
14    61 ms    62 ms    64 ms  31.31.34.10
15    55 ms    55 ms    56 ms  xe-0-2-0.br01.ams-01.nl.leaseweb.net [31.31.38.41]
16    56 ms    57 ms    57 ms  be-10.cr02.ams-01.nl.leaseweb.net [81.17.34.21]
17    55 ms    54 ms    56 ms  5.79.79.249
18    55 ms    56 ms    55 ms  81.171.20.5


Is that proper location? if it is , then problem with EH's service!

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post Jan 18 2017, 00:08
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QUOTE(svines85 @ Jan 17 2017, 21:29) *
Again, sorry this shit's gone down on y'all, but seriously, just how many times and ways do some of you need to be told "no" on this?
Until all Russian awards are revoked, HV level reset to 0 and mod power reset to 1 by Tenb.

And this time, he can tell them "well guess what, NOW you can blame me, but see if anyone cares in Russia about some administrator revoking all of your site privileges for being annoying, especially considering the situation".
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