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Jan 16 2017, 18:13
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Necromusume
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Using a VPS to set up a private proxy is an answer because you won't be sharing an IP with other EH users. (Most provide a dedicated IP per user even though the machine is shared.) Tying the image limit to IP for zero-cost accounts is necessary because otherwise people would circumvent it by setting up multiple free accounts through proxies. That's why I suggested a hath perk; the cost doesn't necessarily need to be $20, especially if the image limit is lower. I want to remind people that using tor and other free proxies to access domains that don't support SSL can get your account on those sites stolen. Sometimes you get what you pay for, and freedom isn't free. I wish people would think it through more carefully and stop blaming the site administration for this, but it does not help at all when the site staff start getting sarcastic in response. This post has been edited by Necromusume: Jan 16 2017, 18:22
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Jan 16 2017, 19:09
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Pillowgirl
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QUOTE(Maximum_Joe @ Jan 16 2017, 10:34) Tsk tsk, wrong answer. See me after class young man.
Take back his gold stars and fail him.
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Jan 16 2017, 22:54
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rimefox
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QUOTE(Tenboro @ Jan 13 2017, 00:27) You can thank Roskomnadzor for that one. Use a proxy.
It's not your responsibility to follow Roskomnadzor's ruling. Plus they don't block whole website, they listurl with specific picture. Responsibility to block is on shoulders on ISP, ISP may block whole site or that url only, depends what kind of hardware\firewall they have. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/cool.gif) By latest data your site is NOT blocked.. either someone trolled you (that's known that even Roskomnadzor does it even to domestic newspapers, trying to block for no reason or give fake warnings) As for what content is questionable by law there is loli, by very narrow margin, that is if _some_ person thinks that content is "bad". Thanks to new law they may avoid trial and perform block in matter of 24 hour. Stopping access toyour site in response wouldn't fix that, because they automatically consider that content is still there. Creating unusual encoded access also may result in blockade without clear reasons. Failure to remove of content within day leads to permanent block, that can't be removed unless your hosting company's representative would visit Russia and do proper lawsuit. The block itself _is not_ a legal action and no lawsuit follows, it's on opposite.. the entire law was around-constitution hack to give individual bureaucrat to block whatever they require \what\upset by without doing lawsuit routine. That's what required for RKN to list an url: just a person's signature - user who reported site or one of RKN employees. That's idiotic that they consider hosting (or company that register site's IP, e.g. often it is CloudWare or similar CMS) responsible for content. QUOTE(Necromusume @ Jan 16 2017, 19:13) Using a VPS to set up a private proxy is an answer because you won't be sharing an IP with other EH users. (Most provide a dedicated IP per user even though the machine is shared.) Exactly THAT is illegal in Russia and is tracked, while using public ones is marginally acceptable. Plus it is not possible realistically to do so with VPS _outside_ Russia, because of bank account regulations, high price gaps - what considered cheap service in EU is very expensive for residents and most of them don't own proper plastic use "virtual" accounts that are recognized as fraudulent by compliance services outside Russia (it's like VISA card but no plastic ever was issued) This post has been edited by rimefox: Jan 16 2017, 23:13
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Jan 16 2017, 23:12
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blue penguin
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QUOTE(rimefox @ Jan 16 2017, 20:54) It's not your responsibility to follow Roskomnadzor's ruling.
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Exactly THAT is illegal in Russia and is tracked Well, it is not your responsibility to follow Russian ruling. Does anyone remembers my post about "I'm a lazy ass and will keep shouting until someone fights my battles for me"? Spoiler text - Highlight to read... this thread is the current EH entertainment, keep it on
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Jan 16 2017, 23:15
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rimefox
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QUOTE(blue penguin @ Jan 17 2017, 00:12) Well, it is not your responsibility to follow Russian ruling. Does anyone remembers my post about "I'm a lazy ass and will keep shouting until someone fights my battles for me"? Spoiler text - Highlight to read... this thread is the current EH entertainment, keep it on I live in Russia, so it is my responsibility. Website's owner doesn't, so it isn't. Ironically by blocking access by keeping my (and other artists) IP here, Ten breaches a law too.. while making a take down request impossible. That may result in actual blockade _and_ lawsuit, for IP infringement This post has been edited by rimefox: Jan 16 2017, 23:20
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Jan 16 2017, 23:21
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Mrsuperhappy
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QUOTE(rimefox @ Jan 16 2017, 21:15) Ten breaches a law too
No he doesn't.
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Jan 16 2017, 23:28
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EsotericSatire
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QUOTE(rimefox @ Jan 16 2017, 11:15) Website's owner doesn't, so it isn't.
You assume. Its against forum rules to give out personal information. QUOTE(rimefox @ Jan 16 2017, 11:15) While making a take down request impossible. That may result in actual blockade _and_ lawsuit, for IP infringement
Takedowns occur all the time when they are done properly. This post has been edited by EsotericSatire: Jan 16 2017, 23:28
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Jan 16 2017, 23:31
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rimefox
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RKN publish all persona info about website holders they can acccess to (and that's sometimes more, sometimes less what "whois" can show). Thing is their definition of "personal info" different from your. Oh by the way, another worry, about if website stores russian user's personal info: that affects only data set that contains _several_: real full name, address , photo, personal ID number, bank account. Just name, country , City isn't "personal info" from local's viewpoint. QUOTE(EsotericSatire @ Jan 17 2017, 00:28) You assume. Its against forum rules to give out personal information. Takedowns occur all the time when they are done properly.
No they are impossible if access to website blocked... pretty much equivalent of concealing content's presence from IP holder This post has been edited by rimefox: Jan 16 2017, 23:34
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Jan 16 2017, 23:36
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blue penguin
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QUOTE(rimefox @ Jan 16 2017, 21:31) No they are impossible if access to website blocked... You're doing it wrong. ( the right way ) QUOTE pretty much equivalent of concealing content's presence from IP holder Impossible cause of ICANN registry open data. Notably ICANN in Kirkland. Spoiler text - Highlight to read... If you do not know anything about Kirkland then you're doing it wrong
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Jan 16 2017, 23:44
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rimefox
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QUOTE(blue penguin @ Jan 17 2017, 00:36) You're doing it wrong. ( the right way ) Impossible cause of ICANN registry open data. Notably ICANN in Kirkland. Spoiler text - Highlight to read... If you do not know anything about Kirkland then you're doing it wrong Reporting galleries can be done by clicking on the Report Gallery link located on the right-hand side of the gallery's description.Ten made that inaccessible. Galleries can't be viewed though VPN at most of time, and _entire_ website is inaccessible, one can see only "Content unavailable in Russia" on empty page instead of wwbsite. It's not just a restricted access to galleries. If you do not know anything about Kirkland then you're doing it wrongOh, I know about that more than some. Problem is that for local request direct access to site itself should be possible. Oh, do you know that Putin authorizes collection of such data by FSK? (what you still call KGB is actually FSK now). Plus they had direct (and public) order to claim (read: steal) by any means CAs data if possible, break all encryption, total control over domain and IP registration, etc. Some that is reason for current conflict with ICANN, which is borderlining to dwell into cyber-equivalent of cold war. Local officials now whine on radio and TV that "ICANN is evil, they don't allow us to open all encrypted data, they don't give us all data, they dont want us to grab IPS we want, we want domains and DNS for all regions. CAs are evil too - users should not be allowed to have https, they might be terrorists" This post has been edited by rimefox: Jan 16 2017, 23:56
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Jan 16 2017, 23:45
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blue penguin
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And since when you can't use a VPN?
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Jan 16 2017, 23:53
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rimefox
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QUOTE(blue penguin @ Jan 17 2017, 00:45) And since when you can't use a VPN?
Because website limits use of VPN? no images with public VPN because limits imposed by website, some VPS seem blocked too. And as I said, setting up personal VPN (that is, not regulated by authorities, without mass media or telecommunication license) is illegal. Also, accessing site blocked by RKN via VPN is illegal. If it isn't blocked then whole debacle is moot, why then website's admin blocked Russia? This post has been edited by rimefox: Jan 16 2017, 23:57
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Jan 16 2017, 23:56
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blue penguin
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QUOTE(rimefox @ Jan 16 2017, 21:53) Because website limits use of VPN? It doesn't. QUOTE setting up personal VPN (that is, not regulated by authorieties, without mass media or telecommunication license) is illegal. It isn't, not according to the website rules.
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Jan 17 2017, 00:00
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rimefox
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QUOTE(blue penguin @ Jan 17 2017, 00:56) It doesn't.
It isn't, not according to the website rules.
It doesn't sow pictures, instead it displays only placeholder that limits were reaches It is, by local laws in Russia, And can't make legal suit even, because.. "how you did access data?" "VPN!" "There, that is crime.." Like in most "civilized" countries, getting some proof in illegal way would make that information irrelevant or trial. This post has been edited by rimefox: Jan 17 2017, 00:01
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Jan 17 2017, 00:04
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blue penguin
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QUOTE(rimefox @ Jan 16 2017, 22:00) It is, by local laws in Russia, And can't make legal suit even, because..
"how you did access data?" "VPN!" "There, that is crime.."
Like in most "civilized" countries, getting some proof in illegal way would make that information irrelevant or trial. So we can conclude that your problem is with the current (and past to a certain extent) Russian judicial and executive regime, not this website. You should talk to them.
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Jan 17 2017, 00:07
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rimefox
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QUOTE(blue penguin @ Jan 17 2017, 01:04) So we can conclude that your problem is with the current (and past to a certain extent) Russian judicial and executive regime, not this website.
You should talk to them.
Now you're just trolling, you just said: "I don't like your superiors so I blocked you. They are problem, go talk to them"
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Jan 17 2017, 00:09
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Maximum_Joe
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"I don't wanna get into trouble with the Russian law, you do it." - Whiners
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Jan 17 2017, 00:11
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Mrsuperhappy
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QUOTE(rimefox @ Jan 16 2017, 22:07) Now you're just trolling, you just said: "I don't like your superiors so I blocked you. They are problem, go talk to them"
No, it is not this websites problem that something is illegal in your country, it is your problem, with your country, nobody here is your middleman.
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Jan 17 2017, 00:13
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blue penguin
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QUOTE(rimefox @ Jan 16 2017, 22:07) Now you're just trolling, you just said: "I don't like your superiors so I blocked you. They are problem, go talk to them" Which part of the logical conclusion that we reached is incorrect? A = Russian IPs cannot access EH B = Russia forbids the use of non Russian IPs to access content outside Russia C = VPN usage D = EH requires you to click a button to report content B => !C A | B => !D A ^ C | B => D Therefore B => !D
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Jan 17 2017, 00:14
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rimefox
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QUOTE(Mrsuperhappy @ Jan 17 2017, 01:11) No, it is not this websites problem that something is illegal in your country, it is your problem, with your country, nobody here is your middleman.
Isn't website administration trying to make itself directly illegal in country instead of being questionable, and claim that they blame that country's law enforcement (which RKN isn't - it a ministry type agency without law enforcement powers)?
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