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post Aug 28 2019, 08:38
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测试结果:
300场:总 21864W 圣 1773W=8.1% 火 1143W=5.2% 1圣=1.551火
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225:总 7161W 圣 525W=7.3% 暗 544W=7.6% 1暗=1.036圣
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200:总 4202W 圣 237W=5.6% 风 220W=5.2% 1圣=1.077风
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180:总 3728.7W 风 199W=5.3% 雷191.5W=5.1% 1风=1.039雷
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165: 总 3940W 雷 183.7W=4.66% 火184.3W=4.68% 1741次普攻差6K伤害 本竞技场 雷≈火.
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130:总 3232W 风 158.9W=4.92% 火 140.9W=4.36% 1风=1.12火
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综合来看 暂时的排位是 暗>圣>风>雷≥火

冰+风就等到周六测吧。 (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

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post Aug 28 2019, 09:50
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QUOTE(Bolide @ Aug 28 2019, 13:22) *

所以我的思路是,传奇场女高虽然圣暗等价,但是用其中一种跟我认为最低伤害的火(也最便宜)来做比较,
既可以比较出女高外(也就是对于普通怪)圣暗的伤害高低,
也可以比较出传奇场圣/暗相对伤害(可能)最低的元素火的伤害提升比例到底有多大。

225和300两个AR的女高比例是不一致的,而且差距还不小

https://ehwiki.org/wiki/Arena#Arena_Challenges
225 End of Days
414+2+57
57只女高
女高占比 57/(414+2+57)=12.05%

300 A Dance With Dragons
558+224+3
224只女高
女高占比 224/(558+224+3)=28.54%

对于小怪而言,
暗圣火冰风雷的抗性之间的区别没有女高这类系统boss极端,

女高比例越高,
暗圣体现出来的,相对于火冰风雷的优势就越大,


如果我预测没错的话,

>>>300 圣+火
>>>225 暗+火
在300场,圣占总伤害的比例(即你上面测得的8.1%)
会比
在225场,暗占总伤害的比例
要高,
即,
会显得 圣冲击伤害 > 暗冲击

而如果测
300 暗+圣,算暗圣各自的占比

225 暗+圣,算占比
则可能会显得 暗冲击伤害 > 圣冲击


而且每次AR的总伤害是会波动的,其中怪物的随机配置就是很大的影响,
因此
今天测 300 圣+火,算圣占比
明日测 300 暗+火,算暗占比
用这样的方法比对 圣暗 之间的区别的话,
没有单日测
300 圣+暗,比对 圣暗各自占比

225 圣+暗
来的精确…


>>>300 圣+火
>>>225 暗+火
这样测得的结果只能精确体现“传奇场圣/暗相对伤害(可能)最低的元素火的伤害提升比例到底有多大”
而圣与暗之间的差别,“女高外(也就是对于普通怪)圣暗的伤害高低”,则会模糊掉的…

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>>>那冰风的比较要等到周五来做。
周五是全部抗性-5%
会造成两种对数据的影响,

1.
原始抗性如果低于0,是无法继续扣减的
某只怪,如果在完全没有减抗的情况下是
火抗5% 冰抗0%
的话,
在周五就会抹平变成
火抗0% 冰抗0%

或者是
初始 火抗10% 冰抗1%
周五 火抗5% 冰抗0%

显而易见地,火抗减了,但冰抗没有变化(或变化少了)
如此测出来的结果就不准确了
(但Lv300以后,碰到这种原始抗性极低的情况可能并不多)


2.
与使用imp的情况类似,
周五所有抗性-5%会缩小各元素之间的差异,
导致可能会错误地得出“XX元素与XX元素差距并不大”的结论

而且差异的缩小,会降低区分度,
本来就存在随机误差,
如果差距缩小了,
甚至可能会因为误差的缘故,
本来应该是
A元素冲击>B元素冲击
却最终引导出
B>A
的错误结果,

之前就测得的冰雷的差别,冰优于雷只有1.83%
如果这是在周五测,
我估计就会小于1.83%了,
甚至反过来产生 雷冲击 略高于 冰 的结论


所以个人不建议在周五测任何对比实验……
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post Aug 28 2019, 10:58
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post Aug 28 2019, 10:58
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顺带提一个跟周五属性日有关的法师的事,

一般都会说 火冰风雷 元素法师之间“差距不大”的原因,
暂时撇开风雷柳木自带的CR问题,

常规元素法师主要是imp打法,这意味着 抗性-40%

且常规法师的对应元素熟练肯定是比较高的,
https://ehwiki.org/wiki/Proficiencies#Effects
Mitigation reduction = (prof_factor ^ 1.5) * 50

以一个偏弱的元素法师为例,
假设他的 prof_factor = 0.5
(正常而言应该0.6以上,乃至接近0.68,甚至接近0.7)
Mitigation reduction = (0.5 ^ 1.5) * 50 = 17.68%

与imp合并起来,就意味着:
40%+17.68%=57.68%
一发imp下去,怪物火冰风雷抗性均减57.68%

https://ehwiki.org/wiki/Monster_Lab
而小怪的抗性最高只能到75%
75%-57.68%=17.32%
也就是意味着,
哪怕是一个偏弱的(火冰风雷)元素法师一发imp整下去,
小怪的火冰风雷抗性就是最多剩17.32%了,甚至是抹成0%

结合前面说过的两点:
1.抗性是无法通过扣减降到低于0%的
2.低抗性条件下,元素的差距会变小

因此一般会认为火冰风雷元素法师之间的(抗性上的)差距并不大


当然地,
柳木的CR、以及高减益prof 问题则是另一个范畴
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ps:
圣暗imp 仅-25%抗

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post Aug 28 2019, 11:22
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post Aug 28 2019, 11:23
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萌新问一下HentaiVerse现在的作用是啥啊,单纯的玩吗?
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post Aug 28 2019, 11:36
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post Aug 28 2019, 11:41
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post Aug 28 2019, 11:53
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看来给法师练练近战也是有用的。。。。

有魔力剑这种技能。。。。
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70.3 PMI 64.1 MMI 46.2 BLK
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附魔 30min Infused Divinity...打了40分钟左右...
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问下问下,adb19的M杀戮rapier和adb89的L平衡rapier应该是L的更好吧?这种IW结束是可以魂绑的吧?
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post Aug 28 2019, 13:18
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问下问下,adb19的M杀戮rapier和adb89的L平衡rapier应该是L的更好吧?这种IW结束是可以魂绑的吧?

但魂绑个平衡感觉很亏
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QUOTE(ikarosf @ Aug 28 2019, 07:18) *

但魂绑个平衡感觉很亏

话又说回来我是肯定没钱买L杀戮的
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QUOTE(FalconF @ Aug 28 2019, 19:20) *

话又说回来我是肯定没钱买L杀戮的

有合适的M杀戮就先凑合用吧. 绑了很亏.
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