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post Apr 4 2019, 18:35
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post Apr 4 2019, 18:55
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post Apr 4 2019, 20:53
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QUOTE(xuegaocream @ Apr 4 2019, 15:23) *

准备物色一个好一点的单手武器用到转法师了,求推荐。


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post Apr 4 2019, 21:38
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QUOTE(3534 @ Apr 3 2019, 23:11) *

ethereal武器那事儿我还以为你指打女高…… (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)
刚想说你怎么那么壕,如此烧圣暗魔药


没有没有,我现在打DwD只用viodseeker加hit chance,还是三月份一大佬脱坑的时候送的几千个。不过等我手头btc变多了,而且拍卖战不过别人的时候,说不定真
会卖星。。。

关于1H的手感我的体会比较直观,就是hollowforged之后一回合能打同一个怪两次,但是打不同怪就直接跳到下个回合
这里面攻速的东西我没有仔细看过,不过1H的攻击速度想来也是最慢的(补充,看了一眼攻速bonus是零)。Haste 至多提高行动速度50%我倒是知道,我也一直有放,但跟1H主要输出方式关系不大(只帮助平砍)。

1H的打法机制我倒是为了跟你讨论刚刚补了一下,反击一轮至多三次,对比于手动攻击的1或2次平砍占主要部分。
想的状态是维持比较高的over charge(这个我之前确实打错了),以便尽可能伤害x2(Spirit Stance常驻),挑时机释放OFC或者virtual strike。over charge 一回合至多从反击提供一次,每次平砍提供一次,算上Haste和武器IW10或IW9的差别就是平均一回合 3次或1.5次。但是实战以反击为输出前提的话,就要减少闪避,提升block和parry chance,所以shielding plate,forge武器和盾都能直观带来提升。因为格挡和招架也都是几率触发,触发之后至多75%几率触发反击,所以如果不提升格挡招架,一回合成功反击和over charge的概率就低,主要靠平砍攒over charge 对整体输出能力大打折扣。

QUOTE(3534 @ Apr 3 2019, 23:11) *

你所看到的Ethereal武器iw9后停止,不打iw10,
大概是因为有的玩家不想辛辛苦苦打iw9打出的Butcher&Fatality准完美iw,
在最后iw10的时候,被一个“Fire Strike”给毁了(吐血)
—— 一个武器最多只能有三个冲击:void冲击+任意两个元素的冲击,若是被火冲击占了1个位就蛋疼了
于是干脆iw9就停下来,在实战中附圣暗魔药(冲击)打 = void+圣+暗冲击,冲击伤害最大化
但由于魔药附魔的冲击是以现实时间作计算的(15mins),若网络较卡或装备差的话,就比较浪费了…
https://ehwiki.org/wiki/The_Forge#Infusions
所以按我的理解,
尽管盾战的输出确实很依仗反击输出,
但与Ethereal武器止步于iw9、“iw10的对单体攻击两次”的联系貌似有限………… (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)


这个涉及到我用monsterbation的体验了,我目前尽量让鼠标不在同一个怪上停留,以免两次攻击在同一回合内,导致ov
er charge实际更新变慢还有怪物行动数变少。但是即便是移动鼠标来hover,上述情况还是会发生,操作上也很累。如果
器本身就是void damage就不需要担心这个问题。我现在jjc大概2t/ s,应该是2回合每秒,提升途径之一就是换iw9的ethereal武器,另一个就是减少补技能和状态的次数。当然还有提升
出来减少总时间。


QUOTE(3534 @ Apr 3 2019, 23:11) *

而overpower是IW解锁潜能里面的Counter-Parry(反招架),
盾战不会想要overpower这iw潜能的…
因为盾战能晕怪,晕掉的怪是不会招架的…(但是却能抵抗魔法orz)
且盾战拥有“压倒性的攻击”(Overwhelming Strikes),这也是反招架的……
所以,

这个我倒是在Hentaiverse Chat 里面看到了不同的见解,有人认为overpower比fatality更有效。因为overwhelming strike触发几率最高30%,堆叠5层counter-parry才到100%;否则怪物还是可能parry从而减少1H盾战输出。overpower4就几乎可以让overwhelming strike少叠一层。我也猜测counter-parry的输出提升可能高过Fatality的爆伤。但是这些我还没机会实验,毕竟武器之前就定型绑魂了。类似还有power of balance rapier of balance套对女高场更有效啊,武器有人选rapier of vampire来稳定血线少用cure啊之类的。。。

最后,我想转法。。以上了解了解就好。。。
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post Apr 4 2019, 21:54
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QUOTE(-vincento- @ Apr 4 2019, 04:45) *

一直打啥打,hv耗我钱财,颓我青春,我坚持不了多久了 ༼ ༎ຶ ෴ ༎ຶ༽
数据是不可能有的,首先wiki上关于IW的假设是一些玩家得出的,怎么得出,可靠不可靠先是难说,反正tenboro不会
诉你对不对。其次wts的样本容量又小,总之没有参考价值。我参考的只有这个别人给的
pxp=362
S5P4, 5 possible (non-focus), 10^7 sims
IWBTH runs:    avg=106.95    90%:246    95%:320    99%:491
PFUDOR runs:    avg=62.42    90%:130    95%:166    99%:250
Shards cost:    avg=146.04    90%:338    95%:440    99%:676
本来我觉得这个完全高估了,现在看来是有点准的 ༼ ༎ຶ ෴ ༎ຶ༽ 最近还看到板块管理员打了个300shard的


我觉得也不能算不靠谱,毕竟现实世界里面多少事情是数据就那么多硬上,毕竟构造的模型什么的都是在模拟一个
underlying distribution;甚至有人说数据太多会over-fitting。。。

总之,硬上就对了,然后看长期收益,那个什么大数定理了解一下;当然坚持不住了的时候,装备留下,多少新手
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post Apr 4 2019, 22:00
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post Apr 4 2019, 22:11
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QUOTE(Starlight99 @ Apr 3 2019, 19:00) *

迟来的祝福.


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post Apr 4 2019, 22:12
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post Apr 4 2019, 22:40
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post Apr 4 2019, 22:42
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post Apr 4 2019, 23:56
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post Apr 5 2019, 01:28
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QUOTE(raynormj @ Apr 5 2019, 03:38) *

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shielding plates最终提升的格挡还是比不过power增加的伤害的。想要提升速度还是全身power of slaughter。因为属性都是相乘提升的,越高提升的实际属性越少,到后面格挡也提升不了多少。

据我所知,反正我也不清楚,counter-parry也是相乘算的,比如原来有20%的几率monster parry你,5层-》20%,就是20%*(1-20%)=16% 。实际提升并没这么厉害。双持有club的晕主手也不打op的。盾战一半的怪物都是在眩晕中度过怪生的,不用counter
parry,致命带来的伤害肯定更显著。

杀戮和平衡在龙场基本没差距。我以前2L杀戮2M杀戮也有3600t,别人用全身几乎L平衡、相同强化的也几乎没怎么高
但是普通场,平衡就弱爆了。



(;´༎ຶД༎ຶ`) 法师厉害是很悲惨的事实。最穷的,全身50k的冰火都比战士快太多。就是没有防爆,你偶尔可能在imp的时候连续按
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