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I think there is at least an easy optimization for the trophies in auction: sell them in 2 different packs.

pack 1 is xxx of :

ManBearPig Tail
Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch
Mithra's Flower
Dalek Voicebox

pack 2 is xxx of :

Lock of Blue Hair
Bunny-Girl Costume
Hinamatsuri Doll
Broken Glasses

When you do all arena every day, you get the same amount of trophies for each pack.

The fact that Lock of Blue Hair doesn't worth the same as other trophies in the pack is not really a problem because you buy the pack with same amount of each trophies, so you can calculate the price of the pack according to the market value.

(and maybe pack 3 : Sapling + noodly because you get 1 per day for each of them on average)

If there is too many seller then it's easy, just increase the minimum value xxx

some people are (sorry for the bad word, i drank quite a bit at lunch) math challenged. just lump together all the trophies with the same selling price. this will also provide cover for the seller, since a bad distribution may lead to less-than-justified reports.

but yep, apparently selling regular trophies at an auction looks like a debatable topic... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

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Would generally agree, but I don't think Super has ever done packs of goods. I think partially this comes down to needing to adapt the script to send them in separate mails.

If you can't send goods together in one mail (for example, crystal packs) then there's always the possibility someone will abuse this and only pay for the part of the pack they want.

This is more of a problem for items with unequal values, like flower vases & bubble gum.

listing regular trophies in auction feels superfluous. It creates a long list if more than one would send their trophies to auction.

because Superlatanium himself has observed when there's too many items in an auction


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Trophies are a terrible waste of credits for everyone besides FoSers (and oddballs who don't comprehend quite how abysmal the rates are, because they got lucky once or twice)

Good ideas, I agree.

Listing regular trophies isn't helpful for the vast majority of those browsing auctions, and I pretty frequently have to put a few items on hold because the current list for the week is already full. This will exclude:

* Dalek Voicebox
* Mithra's Flower
* Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch
* ManBearPig Tail
* Lock of Blue Hair
* Broken Glasses
* Hinamatsuri Doll
* Bunny-Girl Costume
* Black T-Shirt
* Sapling
* Unicorn Horn

(Is that all?) I think Noodly Appendages should be kept since their value comes from their high loot potential rather than from FoS buyers, right? Do you guys agree?

Unusual / obsolete / seasonal artifacts are also of general interest, unlike the regular trophies, so they can be kept too.

Selling stuff in packs is a pain for me, since I have to do it by hand every time and I don't have much free time to begin with. I could add functionality for them but I don't think it'd be useful enough.

What should matter to us are the things that have been sent to the auction, for packages that do not reach the minimum to be auctioned, for example the Mid-grade metals and Mid-grade Leather, there are already 3 auctions in a row that nobody buys that package that is auctioned, because making a minimum offer of 50k, you would already be losing credits, because the material is not worth even 45k to start, that is what I think should not appear in the auction any group or packages of materials that do not exceed the minimum to be auctioned. They should no longer be included, nobody is buying them and they make more space than the trophies.

This is a real issue too. I should keep a closer eye on the quantities being sold and make sure they're worth at least 50k to start with.

(Is that all?) I think Noodly Appendages should be kept since their value comes from their high loot potential rather than from FoS buyers, right? Do you guys agree?

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Selling stuff in packs is a pain for me, since I have to do it by hand every time and I don't have much free time to begin with. I could add functionality for them but I don't think it'd be useful enough.

This is a real issue too. I should keep a closer eye on the quantities being sold and make sure they're worth at least 50k to start with.

I'm in agreement on the Noodles. As a FoSer, I'd honestly be okay with the higher value ones (like Saplings) as long as they're in considerable quantities, but it's probably easier to just blanket exclude them, to avoid confusing people with any more complexity in the rulings.

I omitted pack functionality from HVMarket in the end because the most traded pack - crystal packs - cannot be sent in a single mail, leading to potential for abusive behaviour when it comes to payment options. In your case, I think people are less likely to pull anything funny, since there's still a human involved in the process (HVMarket is completely automated, although there are markers I monitor). But I still think it's a systemic flaw that makes it unsuitable for contracts that aren't simply player-to-player.

I was hoping my system would actually take some weight off yours and allow your auctions to be primarily equipment-focused, but it seems it's still not as convenient as it needs to be. (And it may never be, as long as I charge a 5% tax!)

Good ideas, I agree.

Listing regular trophies isn't helpful for the vast majority of those browsing auctions, and I pretty frequently have to put a few items on hold because the current list for the week is already full. This will exclude:

* Dalek Voicebox
* Mithra's Flower
* Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch
* ManBearPig Tail
* Lock of Blue Hair
* Broken Glasses
* Hinamatsuri Doll
* Bunny-Girl Costume
* Black T-Shirt
* Sapling
* Unicorn Horn

(Is that all?) I think Noodly Appendages should be kept since their value comes from their high loot potential rather than from FoS buyers, right? Do you guys agree?

Yep, fully agreed.

This is a real issue too. I should keep a closer eye on the quantities being sold and make sure they're worth at least 50k to start with.

this doesn't need to take a lot of time, as prices aren't that volatile. One time exercise would suffice, especially if we set the minimum quantities on 100k at todays prices. That way there is still room for further price decrease.

And we can all help to come up with a list of minimal quantities, if you want

This post has been edited by DJNoni: May 28 2020, 17:20

Good ideas, I agree.

Listing regular trophies isn't helpful for the vast majority of those browsing auctions, and I pretty frequently have to put a few items on hold because the current list for the week is already full. This will exclude:

* Dalek Voicebox
* Mithra's Flower
* Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch
* ManBearPig Tail
* Lock of Blue Hair
* Broken Glasses
* Hinamatsuri Doll
* Bunny-Girl Costume
* Black T-Shirt
* Sapling
* Unicorn Horn

(Is that all?) I think Noodly Appendages should be kept since their value comes from their high loot potential rather than from FoS buyers, right? Do you guys agree?

Unusual / obsolete / seasonal artifacts are also of general interest, unlike the regular trophies, so they can be kept too.

Let's have a look at real numbers, ok ?
In your last auction (#216) out of a total of 90 lines in the materials' section, a total of 18 where of trophies and suchlike.

Of these 18, 7 would be still auctionable under new rules, since 1 was Noodlies, 3 where Precursors, and 3 where Seasonal or Obsoletes. That means new rules would have eliminated just 11 lines leaving still 79 of them.

Hardly a huge improvement, I'd say (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif)

Meanwhile, in the same auction, there where 30 lines of Mats (3 LG, 9 MG and 28 HG) of which only 1 of MG went unsold.
And "only" 19 lines of Bindings; and this simply because (either by accident, or due to your pickings, I don't know) there where practically none of the "low value" ones.

Now imagine, with 38 different types of Bindings existing in HV, if for each type there were even just 3 players deciding to put them in auction in the same week ... and yet nobody told anything about it.

Mind you, I'm not asking you to do anything. I'm just suggesting to do some math, rather then go with the sentiment of a few posting people, with hardly any effect on auction size.

Just my 2 cents

Some of this week's materials:

CODE

Mat34] 50 Binding of Dampening (seller: FreeloaderV)
[Mat35] 50 Binding of Deflection (seller: FreeloaderV)
[Mat36] 50 Binding of Stoneskin (seller: FreeloaderV)
[Mat51] 50 Binding of Focus (seller: FreeloaderV)
[Mat52] 50 Binding of Negation (seller: FreeloaderV)
[Mat80] 30 Voidseeker Shard (seller: XXEINXX)

These are somewhat unlikely to find min-bid due to quantities being too low compared to their usual market value (the dampening is feasible at least). The voidseeker shards especially are an enormously pointless listing - even at 100c they do not sell especially fast, and that would be a total of 3k for that listing!

CODE

[Mat93] 100 Precursor Artifact (seller: EvertonBNU)
[Mat94] 100 Precursor Artifact (seller: EvertonBNU)
[Mat95] 100 Precursor Artifact (seller: EvertonBNU)
[Mat96] 100 Precursor Artifact (seller: EvertonBNU)

This is outright abuse of the auction system; users shouldn't be able to send in multiple packs of the same item in the same week. If they need that much control over the quantities sold, they should use a shop. As it stands, this is just using the auction's traffic to run a shop.

This post has been edited by lestion: Jun 5 2020, 14:12

Some of this week's materials:

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These are somewhat unlikely to find min-bid due to quantities being too low compared to their usual market value (the dampening is feasible at least). The voidseeker shards especially are an enormously pointless listing - even at 100c they do not sell especially fast, and that would be a total of 3k for that listing!

I completely agree. Auction manager in such cases should return the items to owner, notifying him that such items should be re-submitted in a minimum quantity of X to be accepted in the auction (quantity X varying, manager's choice here).

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This is outright abuse of the auction system; users shouldn't be able to send in multiple packs of the same item in the same week. If they need that much control over the quantities sold, they should use a shop. As it stands, this is just using the auction's traffic to run a shop.

And here too I completely agree. Packs are imo OK if they are equips' packs (like sometimes happened in the past). For other items is detrimentary to the auction system.

Some of this week's materials:

These are somewhat unlikely to find min-bid due to quantities being too low compared to their usual market value (the dampening is feasible at least). The voidseeker shards especially are an enormously pointless listing - even at 100c they do not sell especially fast, and that would be a total of 3k for that listing!

I had already commented on this, and had indicated exactly what you said, only with the Mid-grade metals.

I think that here our good auctioneer is violating his own rules about the minimum value to be auctioned something must be 50k, so in order for them to reach the minimum auction value this type of material should have minimum the following quantities:

50 Binding of Dampening *Interestingly, this reaches the minimum to be auctioned, but who the hell would want to buy it ?, this material is very common and besides that, it is not needed as much as other types of binding

125 Binding of Deflection
100 Binding of Stoneskin
200 Binding of Negation
556 Voidseeker Shard

And in fact I think that with regard to materials and trophies, at least they should have twice that amount to be auctioned, that is; a starting price of 100k, because you do not earn anything by betting on something that is worth exactly 50k, since the first to make the offer, would automatically be the winner of the auction since no one would want to buy such materials at an over-price.

This is outright abuse of the auction system; users shouldn't be able to send in multiple packs of the same item in the same week. If they need that much control over the quantities sold, they should use a shop. As it stands, this is just using the auction's traffic to run a shop.

OK, 2 things about this, first; Do you know what's the worst of this? that the one who is winning the auction is exactly the same bidder for all those materials; That means that it was a waste of time and space to separate the damn material into 4 parts, because the bidder would have bought the 400 Precursor artifact anyway.

It is noted that this was done with intent and advantage to see if more credits were obtained by separating the material in a group of 100, but unfortunately it seems that it was not.

And second, that those who are posting these materials are not veterans in this? I think that they should already know the minimum price of what they send, and also in quantities they should send them, one of them (I will not indicate which, but it shows quite a lot) has exactly the same material that he send for the auction in their store and in a considerable amount, so if he could have sent the minimum of materials to reach the minimum of 50k to be auctioned, why didn't he do it?

This post has been edited by Arkoniusx: Jun 5 2020, 23:58

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when the *** bid 32979k, the next bid must be 33968k
i think my 33333k proxybid should be ignored (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

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when the *** bid 32979k, the next bid must be 33968k
i think my 33333k proxybid should be ignored (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

Minimum bid increments:
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A proxy bidder's last bid is exempt (1k minimum increment)

Wanted to get a bidkey for the Super's auction and got the following error (´・ω・｀)

This message can not be sent because the recipient has their personal messenger disabled or their personal messenger inbox is full.

This personal message has not been sent

nvm, I got the bidkey.

This post has been edited by eomivan: Jul 8 2020, 09:56

[Sta05] 110K

[Sta05] 110K

not here, dude

Hi,Superlatanium.


The item i sent for auction

[Clo39] Legendary Charged Cotton Shoes of the Elementalist (495, Elem Prof 59%) (seller: accelkatana)

I wrote "start:5m" in mm.

I think it means start bid is 5m.
Is it not right?
Or I make a mistake in the format?
Thank you for your precious time!

https://forums.e-hentai.org/index.php?showtopic=235530 // End Feb 08 2020

[Clo11] Legendary Charged Cotton Shoes of the Demon-fiend (500, Forb Prof 92%) (seller: MiniAir) decondelite 21.5m Proxy bid after #85; winning for 41.1h / 50.2h; -0.0%



https://forums.e-hentai.org/index.php?showtopic=235643 // Start Feb 11 2020

[CloH4] Legendary Charged Cotton Shoes of the Demon-fiend (Level 500, FProf 90%, Evd 92%, CS 18%) (seller: Decondelite) | Start: 20M



Isn't this the reason for the ban?

He bought the item and put it on his own Auction almost immediately.

check it out plz

https://forums.e-hentai.org/index.php?showtopic=235530 // End Feb 08 2020

[Clo11] Legendary Charged Cotton Shoes of the Demon-fiend (500, Forb Prof 92%) (seller: MiniAir) decondelite 21.5m Proxy bid after #85; winning for 41.1h / 50.2h; -0.0%



https://forums.e-hentai.org/index.php?showtopic=235643 // Start Feb 11 2020

[CloH4] Legendary Charged Cotton Shoes of the Demon-fiend (Level 500, FProf 90%, Evd 92%, CS 18%) (seller: Decondelite) | Start: 20M
Isn't this the reason for the ban?

He bought the item and put it on his own Auction almost immediately.

check it out plz

is there a rule against re-selling? Not that I know of. Everyone can make a mistake and buy something that he doesn't need in the end. Are you sure you're not being a tiny bit vengeful?

is there a rule against re-selling? Not that I know of. Everyone can make a mistake and buy something that he doesn't need in the end. Are you sure you're not being a tiny bit vengeful?

I can't say no. While we were talking about it, I heard that this could be a reason for ban, so I posted it with the intention of talking about it.

But I think decon's "mistake" wasn't bidding for an item he didn't need, it was bidding at such a high price that I couldn't catch up with.

This post has been edited by dakfl251: Aug 16 2020, 16:13

I did a mistake buying those things, because I realized later that I already had shoes. And I sold them back with a loss of 1.5MC. I don't see where the problem is.
And I don't have any hiden privilege that allows me to know how deep are other players pockets, just saying.

I have sent you PMs for a bidkey but maybe they're not getting through. Anyway, I'd like a bidkey please, thanks.

Edit: I got the bidkey by MM, thanks

This post has been edited by Visadio: Sep 12 2020, 16:21