[X] My Assistant

Sorry to bug you again
That fix on the notify may have possibly broken it?
I just noticed I got outbid, (the proxy bid didn't happen immediately this time, but a while later, certainly after it had been updated a bunch), but I've not been notified. I could also have just done it wrong (quoted below so you can check)

Hea03 500k notify

EDIT:
Big again and got notified this time, so maybe just a temporary bug?

This post has been edited by Ubershank: Feb 21 2020, 15:08

Problems in getting MM of won items in this auction (#204)

I've sent you PM with details.

Others should check well theirs too, may be the problem is due to something in his scripts, and not confined to just me.

(I thought the problem with Unicode chars in names had been sorted out, but possibly something stuck somewhere? )


P.S.
If I open the auction now, there is another winner for those items ... however even if he used proxy bidding in the last 15 minutes, it cannot be right.

1) He is indicated now as winning for a few hours, but I had checked the auction less then 15 minutes before closing time, and there wasn't any bidding on those item except mine

2) I accessed the auction page again hours after it was closed, precisely this night at 3 am local time (I'm in +1 zone, so it was 1 march 2:07 UTC).
I was indicated as the winner then, and there was no extension time, and the auction had been closed since 12 hour.

I even logged the page, saved in .MAFF format (it's kinda .MHT for Firefox), if you wanna see it.

I'm wondering now if the leap day of 29 feb. may have had some effect on the scripts ??

Also see what Dead-ed says here : https://forums.e-hentai.org/index.php?s=&am...t&p=5627927

Is it something we should accept, proxy bidders whose bid cannot be seen ? I think not.

Well, this is all I think, let me know what's your position regarding all this. Thx

P.P.S.
The irony of all this is that you worked hard to come up with a system of discount/penalty to discourage sniping and late bidding ... and it has been a real feasting for snipers and late bidders, this last auction !

This post has been edited by mundomuñeca: Mar 1 2020, 19:37

Sorry about that, there were too many items listed last time. When the script generated the new BBCode, it eventually got too large for a single post on E-H; it ran into the character limit, and saving the updated information to Post #1 silently failed in the last couple hours of the auction or so. The warning log and all the website logs were promptly updated when people pressed Update, just not Post #1. (the "Last updated at ~11:30" text in that post when it was a few hours later after high activity should have been a red flag, if you saw that)

The bids people made in the last couple hours were valid, regardless of whether they were proxy bids or post bids, even though the top post (unfortunately) wasn't kept up-to-date.

I think I'll limit the total number of items in any auction to 180 from now on, pretty sure that shouldn't have a chance of running into the character limit.

-snip-
(the "Last updated at ~11:30" text in that post when it was a few hours later after high activity should have been a red flag, if you saw that)

Thanks for taking the time to check and reply.
It wasn't red. At least in the log copy I have kept it is plain white. Not that it matters, I'm not sure I'd have noticed it anyway (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

The bids people made in the last couple hours were valid, regardless of whether they were proxy bids or post bids, even though the top post (unfortunately) wasn't kept up-to-date.

I think I'll limit the total number of items in any auction to 180 from now on, pretty sure that shouldn't have a chance of running into the character limit.

I really hope this move will prevent it from happening from now on. Guess I'll have to learn not to put too much confidence in what I see. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif)

Well, the loss is on the sellers more then anything, so I can't exactly complain, can I ? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

Perhaps I should apply for a proxy bid key, but I just don't like the proxy bid system, that's my quirk anyway and not anyone's fault.
Thanks again and bye.

Sorry about that, there were too many items listed last time. When the script generated the new BBCode, it eventually got too large for a single post on E-H; it ran into the character limit, and saving the updated information to Post #1 silently failed in the last couple hours of the auction or so. The warning log and all the website logs were promptly updated when people pressed Update, just not Post #1. (the "Last updated at ~11:30" text in that post when it was a few hours later after high activity should have been a red flag, if you saw that)

The bids people made in the last couple hours were valid, regardless of whether they were proxy bids or post bids, even though the top post (unfortunately) wasn't kept up-to-date.

I think I'll limit the total number of items in any auction to 180 from now on, pretty sure that shouldn't have a chance of running into the character limit.

as far as i understand, bids were still properly updated on your server, right?

i mean, if one checked your server, would he have seen the actual situation?

as far as i understand, bids were still properly updated on your server, right?

i mean, if one checked your server, would he have seen the actual situation?

yeah, the only thing that was broken was editing the first post - it still processed bids fine, and the site still displayed everything correctly

I have a question, in the previous auction I sent 9 pieces of equipment to be auctioned, but these 3 were not sold:

Items Unsold (mails returned):
Legendary Demonic Rapier of Balance (380, ADB 45%) (seller: Arkoniusx)
Legendary Hallowed Club of Slaughter (382, ADB 76%) (seller: Arkoniusx)
Magnificent Charged Cotton Pants of the Elementalist (357) (seller: Arkoniusx)

But I have not received these 3 equipments back, are they going to be auctioned again, or I continue waiting for them to be returned to me? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

I have a question, in the previous auction I sent 9 pieces of equipment to be auctioned, but these 3 were not sold:

Items Unsold (mails returned):
Legendary Demonic Rapier of Balance (380, ADB 45%) (seller: Arkoniusx)
Legendary Hallowed Club of Slaughter (382, ADB 76%) (seller: Arkoniusx)
Magnificent Charged Cotton Pants of the Elementalist (357) (seller: Arkoniusx)

But I have not received these 3 equipments back, are they going to be auctioned again, or I continue waiting for them to be returned to me? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

Did you send them all in the same mail?

Did you send them all in the same mail?

Unfortunately it is, does it mean that I should be saying goodbye to them? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

Unfortunately it is, does it mean that I should be saying goodbye to them? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

No, you should reply to the MM and ask Super if he will return the other ones. He should see it when he goes to process mail for the next auction.

For future reference, his script only returns the first equipment in the mail, so the advised procedure is to only send one equipment at a time unless you are 100% certain they will sell. (Basically, unless they're all radiant heimdall or charged freyr/mjolnir... send them one at a time.)

edit: this is specified in the post Super links in every auction where he says 'if you want to send items, see this post'... here is the source, look at the underlined sentence.

This post has been edited by lestion: Mar 26 2020, 04:25

Very helpful (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

This post has been edited by red_x_king: Apr 24 2020, 08:18

I noticed this week that we can cancel proxy bids now under certain circumstances, I think that's helpful.

There is an equipment I wanted in this week's auction but I couldn't pull the trigger. Plus some guy bid on them and canceled, so I don't want to mess with it if it's not something I want badly.

If this auction ended at a reasonable time for me I could stay up and buy these things at 50k. But when I don't really want something, I would rather let them stay open for other people to get. This isn't a complaint as I don't see any way to improve this. It's just that I see a lot of old unsold equipment that I might have bought (perhaps at less than 50k) that was sadly bazaared.

And I think it's going to happen again this week to something I wanted. I could make an offer privately, but I'm scared of the seller as he is too big, rich, and strong for me. Or is he small and cute? I cannot tell from his picture. :)

noni edit: this thread is not for advertising.

This post has been edited by DJNoni: Apr 26 2020, 07:18

I noticed this week that we can cancel proxy bids now under certain circumstances, I think that's helpful.

There is an equipment I wanted in this week's auction but I couldn't pull the trigger. Plus some guy bid on them and canceled, so I don't want to mess with it if it's not something I want badly.

If this auction ended at a reasonable time for me I could stay up and buy these things at 50k. But when I don't really want something, I would rather let them stay open for other people to get. This isn't a complaint as I don't see any way to improve this. It's just that I see a lot of old unsold equipment that I might have bought (perhaps at less than 50k) that was sadly bazaared.

And I think it's going to happen again this week to something I wanted. I could make an offer privately, but I'm scared of the seller as he is too big, rich, and strong for me. Or is he small and cute? I cannot tell from his picture. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Perhaps you're seeing problems that aren't there? If you would have bid 50k on Friday, those unsold items would be yours now. That has nothing to do with the end time of the auction!

You say you are scared of sending PM... perhaps you could work on getting over that?

This post has been edited by DJNoni: Apr 26 2020, 07:20

Perhaps you're seeing problems that aren't there? If you would have bid 50k on Friday, those unsold items would be yours now. That has nothing to do with the end time of the auction!

You say you are scared of sending PM... perhaps you could work on getting over that?

Well. the bit about being scared of sending PM it's a bit ... childish, I'd say. Sorry BWS (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

But he has a point (or part of it, anyway).

Materials start also from 50k min bid, but with a 3% min inc that makes it possible to fine-tune and compete on the lower edge of the price curve, without risking excessively little steps in the million range.

Instead Items start from the same 50, but with a fix 30k inc step all over the price curve.

That is fine after passing the 200k or so level, but more fine-grained definition before that and possibly starting from a minimum bid of 30k would allow to hit two birds with a stone : i.e., selling items that, while not completely bad, now don't get offers (and often end up in bazaar), plus having more competition on the items valued in the range between 50 and 150k to the benefit of the seller.

I don't now if it's easy to implement or nor, but my idea is that, instead of splitting the way you treat bids in two categories, i.e. Materials and Items, each with his own rule, you could instead split the ranges.

The minimum step would not be based on the type of the thing, but on the price level reached.
For instance, a minimum bid of 30k with steps of 10k until 150k, then 10% after that, same for materials and items without difference.

We've had parts of this debate before regarding materials and the bid increment rules for those had been changed. I don't recall if I ever said or thought anything about that issue myself. But in retrospect maybe the current rules make sense for materials. After all, someone could sell 1 Amnesia Shard, or 1000 Amnesia Shards, and that shouldn't move it into separate bid increment tiers.

The lowering of the minimum bid sounds interesting. I like having a solid 50k minimum, though. Perhaps it could be optional to a seller to specify a start bid below 50k. But that might flood the auction with junk. There's always going to be borderline junk, so nothing we can do here.

Maybe Superlatanium could relist unsold items once, especially with his auction being free and Kedama auction gone. This gives buyers a second chance to think about whether they want to save unsold items, and maybe erase the black cloud of buyers retracting bids. That'll still encourage junk though.

Is there a rule that if someone cancels, they can't bid again on the same item? Although in this case I preferred they or anyone else would buy the item to save it by either wearing or storing it.

It's probably best to leave everything as is. As DJNoni said, all I have to do is send a PM to the seller after the auction fails to sell, and that takes care of the problem. There may be a few instances of sellers or buyers being too unsociable but it's probably better not to change the auction rules to address such minor instances.

listing regular trophies in auction feels superfluous. It creates a long list if more than one would send their trophies to auction. Tenboro has granted us the HVMarket account, which is much more suited to list trophies if you want to get a higher price than the WTB. But really, the WTB prices are pretty decent.

Could you perhaps not list regular trophies?

DJnoni, I do not agree with you in the least, getting that many trophies to be able to auction them is not easy, also; Those of us who have few credits lately depend on the prices that these trophies can achieve in the auction in order to have a little more.

I also don't think anyone wanted us to remove them from the auction, just see how well the trophies have been sold lately, and also nobody is breaking the rules, because they have been selling the trophies for large packages of 100, or in its due case; more than the minimum value for be auctioned.

What should matter to us are the things that have been sent to the auction, for packages that do not reach the minimum to be auctioned, for example the Mid-grade metals and Mid-grade Leather, there are already 3 auctions in a row that nobody buys that package that is auctioned, because making a minimum offer of 50k, you would already be losing credits, because the material is not worth even 45k to start, that is what I think should not appear in the auction any group or packages of materials that do not exceed the minimum to be auctioned. They should no longer be included, nobody is buying them and they make more space than the trophies.

By the way, in the auction before this there were almost no trophies to auction, so they do not appear as continuously as one imagines.

This post has been edited by Arkoniusx: May 23 2020, 12:44

DJnoni, I do not agree with you in the least, getting that many trophies to be able to auction them is not easy, also; Those of us who have few credits lately depend on the prices that these trophies can achieve in the auction in order to have a little more.

I also don't think anyone wanted us to remove them from the auction, just see how well the trophies have been sold lately, and also nobody is breaking the rules, because they have been selling the trophies for large packages of 100, or in its due case; more than the minimum value for be auctioned.

What should matter to us are the things that have been sent to the auction, for packages that do not reach the minimum to be auctioned, for example the Mid-grade metals and Mid-grade Leather, there are already 3 auctions in a row that nobody buys that package that is auctioned, because making a minimum offer of 50k, you would already be losing credits, because the material is not worth even 45k to start, that is what I think should not appear in the auction any group or packages of materials that do not exceed the minimum to be auctioned. They should no longer be included, nobody is buying them and they make more space than the trophies.

By the way, in the auction before this there were almost no trophies to auction, so they do not appear as continuously as one imagines.

I've remained silent on this matter because I run HVMarket (and profit from the taxes), and therefore I have a highly biased viewpoint. And also because Superlatanium himself has observed when there's too many items in an auction - as it happened recently - so he knows when he needs to defer items to next week, and can do so at his discretion. I don't know what his rules are, and whether he prioritises equipment over materials, or just by order in which they're submitted.

However, I'm also a FoSer so I do have some insight on trophy availability & a significant interest in options for buying them.

I agree with Noni. I do not think trophies belong in Super's auctions, primarily because of bloat. These auctions are now basically a community service, since they take no cut, and as such, the rulings should generally reflect community interests. There are three reasons trophies are probably not a high priority for community interest:

1) Trophies are a terrible waste of credits for everyone besides FoSers (and oddballs who don't comprehend quite how abysmal the rates are, because they got lucky once or twice)
2) Trophies take up a considerable amount of lines because of their varieties. If 10 people submitted a trophy pack each, it would take up the vast majority of the auction's possible line space. And that's just 10 people!
3) The WTB market for trophies is mostly healthy. Up until mouisaac raised the prices drastically, the artificial price matching meant the rates the market was willing to bear were not represented. However, thanks to HVMarket and this auction, we have a fairly good idea of how much FoSers are willing to pay per trophy before they'd rather pass and let them pile up (risking them selling to other FoSers instead): somewhere around 1500c per schoolgirl trophy.

Point 3 is more than can be said for many goods (crystallized phazon has sold at least a few at 300k on HVMarket before tax, and is routinely selling at 290k, as an example. High grade cloth will sell at 14k there too!).

If you are 'depending on the auction prices', you should consider selling in a shop or on HVMarket (where impulse purchases are possible, and players who do not like posting or interacting with shop keepers are also available as a market for your goods).

Auctions should be for equipment or exceptionally sized packs of materials, in my opinion.

Auctions should be for equipment or exceptionally sized packs of materials, in my opinion.

I also share this opinion. These and seasonal/obsolete items.

I think there is at least an easy optimization for the trophies in auction: sell them in 2 different packs.

pack 1 is xxx of :

ManBearPig Tail
Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch
Mithra's Flower
Dalek Voicebox

pack 2 is xxx of :

Lock of Blue Hair
Bunny-Girl Costume
Hinamatsuri Doll
Broken Glasses

When you do all arena every day, you get the same amount of trophies for each pack.

The fact that Lock of Blue Hair doesn't worth the same as other trophies in the pack is not really a problem because you buy the pack with same amount of each trophies, so you can calculate the price of the pack according to the market value.

(and maybe pack 3 : Sapling + noodly because you get 1 per day for each of them on average)

If there is too many seller then it's easy, just increase the minimum value xxx