[X] My Assistant

I don't want technical explanations. I want it to work how one expects it to work.

I don't want technical explanations. I want it to work how one expects it to work.

If he bets 399999c - he wins, as expected.
If he bets 400001c - he wins, as expected.
But if he bets 400000c, then you expect him to lose? It is not logical, caaarl ^.^

I mean, I understand: it seems obvious that if you make your bid first, you should take precedence.

Proxy bidding is more like automatic counterbidding though - someone bids against you, and then you bid again the next increment, repeating.

But one reason why this might need to be a fixed behaviour is... what happens if two people proxy bid the same maximum?

For example, if I start an item and my maximum is 200k, then someone else matches that, the bids (if I'm right) go:

50k - me
100k - them
150k - me
200k - them?

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But one reason why this might need to be a fixed behaviour is... what happens if two people proxy bid the same maximum?

For example, if I start an item and my maximum is 200k, then someone else matches that, the bids (if I'm right) go:
50k - me
100k - them
150k - me
200k - them?

imho in this case, the one who first made the proxy bet, should auto-bet 200k immediately after the second bidder puts same proxy bet.

ie
50k - me
(200k - me proxy)
(200k - them proxy)
200k - me auto

and
50k - me
(200k - them proxy)
100k - them auto
(200k - me proxy)
200k - them auto

although in a real (non-HV) auction it would really be like that
50k - me
100k - them
150k - me
200k - them

But I do not know which implementation is here ^.^
In any case, do not forget that you can't always get what you want.
And proxy betting is not an optimal betting strategy, but only an assistant.

This post has been edited by tempasdf: Jun 21 2019, 22:57

You would certainly hope so...

And proxy betting is not an optimal betting strategy, but only an assistant.

The thing is, the system has been designed for all-round ease of use, and as such that should probably include attempting to exempt people from "betting strategy". To a similar effect, there's the discount/tax system and the bid time extensions to discourage people from sniping.

Super, this is really, really, really NOT welcome.
I did set a proxy bid as such: [Mat01] [400k] [Jun 21 2019, 06:29]
And then I see that:
[Mat01] 2000 Mid-Grade Metals (seller: tai2_1) Dead-ed 400k #55, 200c per mat
He did bid today at 12:48.

I should be the one having the winning bid at 400k, not him.

set it 401k and you will win it with just 1k increment
that's the game rule

To top it off, i don't intend to win.

Frankly, I don't care much if someone else wins. I get a lot of MGM every day and I can just wait for them to come.
It's only about how stupid it is to be the first but not the first.

Frankly, I don't care much if someone else wins. I get a lot of MGM every day and I can just wait for them to come.
It's only about how stupid it is to be the first but not the first.

you are not "first", if nobody bid around 388-399k your actual bid won't reach 400k.
All in all, before dead-ed bid 400k your actual bid is just 114k.

Your 'first' higher auto-bid means nothing unless triggered by manual bid first, get over it.

This post has been edited by Fudo Masamune: Jun 22 2019, 12:21

I don't want technical explanations. I want it to work how one expects it to work.

Yet still emphasizing technicality like being "first". ¯\(ツ)/¯

It's not working like how YOU expect it to work, get over it.

Then fuck the proxy bidding, simple.

Super can scrap that altogether if it fails miserably at what one would legitimately expect it to do: saving your time and making sure you do have the winning bid for whatever amount up until your max. Is it too hard to understand that?

Given how the system seems to be working right now, if I set a proxy max above my true max, then I'm potentially overpaying. If I set the proxy max to my true max, apparently I'm not even guaranteed to win. If I set a proxy max lower than my true max, then I'll have to make a manual bid in case that proxy max is reached and I'm not even guaranteed to be the one to bid my true max, which defeats the purpose of using proxy bidding. Conclusion: in all cases it sucks hard. It takes neither calculations nor half a genius to understand that.

Seriously, if I use proxy bidding, it's precisely because I don't have the time to micromanage my bids and/or build strategies/calculations to win items. So I want to know what's the damn point of a system like proxy bidding if I can't just lay my max amount and wait until the end of the auctions.

So YES It's not working how I expect it: that's exactly why I'm posting. And NO I won't get over with it. It sucks, I have decided that I don't tolerate that, and no one can tell me what to think about it. It's either it's modified so that it works that way, or I boycott proxy bidding and stick to regular bids. I may lose time when doing manual bids, but at least I don't lose it over bullcrap and I know that when I bid, it's validated.

Yeah I know I'm pissed, sorry about that. But I have good reasons to be.

Yeah I know I'm pissed, sorry about that. But I have good reasons to be.

don't be pissed. be smart instead, take a deep breath and let it pass.

I don't really get the "how it's supposed to work" thing.

He bid your maximum before you, it's not really hard science (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

Maybe super should rename it to "proxy outbid" since it's exactly what it is (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)

@decondelite: Actually is pretty simple, a proxy bid MUST BEAT a manually posted bid cause it still be a counterbid.

Proxy bid have just the extra that you win if you overbid even of 1K and not of the whole amount of a manual bid.

You want to proxy bid for 400K? You put 401K and sleep pacefully.

You put 401K and sleep pacefully.

now this sounds like some retirement saving plan discussion...

Actually I thought Superlatanium had changed the system to be normal since I had mentioned this issue a couple pages back. I guess he didn't.

Either way works but I guess the weird thing about this system is that an earlier proxy bid will beat an identical later proxy bid, while a later regular bid beats an identical earlier proxy bid. This feels partially inconsistent to me.

This system slightly encourages placing regular bids, and strongly encourages proxy bids to add at least 1k to their bid. This could result in more bids ending at an uneven number, which isn't necessarily bad and should usually happen anyway, but isn't necessarily good either.

An odd thing is the chosen 1k amount. I understand this is the smallest increment one might want to deal with, but still it is arbitrary. This could have been set at 50k or 0k, and I wonder what those systems would be like?

strongly encourages proxy bids to add at least 1k to their bid

if you note, this has always been latanium's suggestion - that is, to place a slightly higher threshold.

This could result in more bids ending at an uneven number, which [...] isn't necessarily good either.

why, exactly?

Didn't check last time.

But apparently my bidkey still wasn't updated.

Now I'm not even sure I paid the right amount for the item I bought 4 months ago... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)


edit: also I'm the only one or so who didn't get the item from auction, most people already soulfused/iw10 what they bought (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

This post has been edited by Juggernaut Santa: Jul 21 2019, 21:41

Didn't check last time.

But apparently my bidkey still wasn't updated.

Now I'm not even sure I paid the right amount for the item I bought 4 months ago... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)
edit: also I'm the only one or so who didn't get the item from auction, most people already soulfused/iw10 what they bought (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

[Hea05] Legendary Ruby Power Boots of Slaughter (500, ADB 67%) (seller: kamio11) End Of All Hope 700k Proxy bid after #63; winning for 37.1h / 50.7h; -0.0%

owner: nor the seller or the buyer

Really, super? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)