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Should put it in rules,as invalid,in that way we won't face this problem again. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

What if I have bid 1M on an item and I then discover I cannot be there for the end of the auction?
Logic solution would be to increase the bid near the true max bid, if increasing your own bid it's invalid this is no longer possible without proxy bid.

It's not really a good solution.

What if I have bid 1M on an item and I then discover I cannot be there for the end of the auction?

use the proxy bid,that's the reason why super mad it for.

if someone can't or won't use proxy bid,while bidding manually he can make an announcement at the same time,like "I'm willing to raise my own bid."
solved (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif)

if someone can't or won't use proxy bid,while bidding manually he can make an announcement at the same time,like "I'm willing to raise my own bid."
solved (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif)

You have too much faith in humanity (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)
No one will ever remember to do that and many players don't want to proxy bid because of language barriers/don't trust the system.

It may be possible to invalid manual bid increase if they are following a post with an invalid bid on the same item, but that would be:
1) difficult to code
2) too specific

Rules can solve most problems, but some edge cases will always remain.

You have too much faith in humanity (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)
No one will ever remember to do that and many players don't want to proxy bid because of language barriers/don't trust the system.

It may be possible to invalid manual bid increase if they are following a post with an invalid bid on the same item, but that would be:
1) difficult to code
2) too specific

Rules can solve most problems, but some edge cases will always remain.

I think raising one's own bid is very rare case,with rules and Strictly Implementing should work(if someone forgot it,that's someone's loss).

and your strategy seems
if A bid 1m
B bid 1.2m then edited
C noticed that but still want to bid 1.5m
you can't say C's bid is invalid,right? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

I can't understand English so much, so it's difficult to participate in the discussion.
Anyway, if the auctioneer Super decides that the auction should be restarted with 280M or 309M, I can agree with it.

Easy. The auction should restart from 280m, as a bid from the current winner.
And ONLY the 2 (or 3 with morineko?) people that are in the "dispute" are valid bidders.
If no one bids anymore, it's settled for 280m.
If not, they'll decide themselves who wins and how much he will pay (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

regarding self-raises: on a general base, personally i don't have anything wrong about them, since they can be viewed as a quick way to proxy bid. it happened a few times in the past, and afaik no auctioneers had anythiing wrong with that. my personal suggestion for latanium is to allow them, but his call though.



regarding this particular bid thing, please let me understand:

0. waifu maniac has always been a proxy bidder for amiya (and this explains why he's involved as well)
0b. morineko started to bid, uh... a quarter hour prior the end of the auction?
0c. WM started to bid even later
1. WM posted a 280M bid
2. blackjac posted a 300M [edit] bid, which i see as non-existent on the bid log (per auction rules) and only on the edit log
3. WM then raised to 309M and won.
4. morineko bidded 320M well within the end of the auction (even the extended time)

did i forget something?

This post has been edited by Scremaz: Sep 24 2017, 10:58

2. blackjac posted a 300M [edit] bid, which i see as non-existent on the bid log (per auction rules) and only on the edit log

did i forget something?

in latanium's system, a bid updated validly first but the post edited after, the bid will turn invalid and be moved from bid log to edit log.
so the bid may existed for 1 or 2 minutes in the big log.

in latanium's system, a bid updated validly first but the post edited after, the bid will turn invalid and be moved from bid log to edit log.
so the bid may existed for 1 or 2 minutes in the big log.

yes, yes. i supposed that.

can someone translate it?

様々の人達が言いますが
金の問題じゃなくて、私の気持ちです　一番気にならないのは子猫ちゃんの事です
子猫ちゃんは何故か時間切れ時ペラペラしてんだよ？　金あるんならどんとこいよ！隠れん坊か？奪い合いして
よ！

i don't want to make more mistake, that why i don't write english.
Please try to understand it, Thank you.

Bidding over yourself has always been allowed (and recognized by the system) and the issue has never come up before.

Can we also say that sniping at the last second is a disrispectful behaviour

Very

No idea if rules could help in that though (personally I would make losing bids not extend the time so that proxy bids cannot be sniped at the last second because fuck sniping).

Many would still try to snipe to win, and a decent number of them would succeed as they do currently. Which is unfortunate.

Things have been working well, so I might experiment with implementing something to cut down on snipers, but this mess needs to be sorted out first.

4. morineko bidded 320M well within the end of the auction (even the extended time)

I think he was expecting something like what happened here. In rare cases, I can restart ended items when there's a mixup that isn't the bidder's fault. (I think ideally I would have put all bids after 280m on ignore and then announce the start of the 15 minute countdown again, but by the time I had noticed there were different opinions it seemed too late.)

blackjac00 and the seller have yet to chime in but he wanted to give up once the price got this high anyway, so it's probably OK. Since it looks like no one objects, I'll post a re-do thread when I get up in a few hours, starting with Amiya / Waifu winning @ 280m, min increment 3% as usual, ending whenever the other guy gives up. (no reasoningtheory.net nor proxy bid nor anything special)

As I see Amiya post, he angry about what morineko said. I look up for the bid log. morineko went to snipe at the end of the time once but BJ and WM still raise their bids. At the end after the problem occur, morineko said he will bid if it still in extended time. It's obviously he just show off. If he'd like to bid why he did nothing but watch the bid war only? And in the reality I don't think there are other potential buyers who will jump in the war.

I think he was expecting something like what happened here. In rare cases, I can restart ended items when there's a mixup that isn't the bidder's fault. (I think ideally I would have put all bids after 280m on ignore and then announce the start of the 15 minute countdown again, but by the time I had noticed there were different opinions it seemed too late.)

blackjac00 and the seller have yet to chime in but he wanted to give up once the price got this high anyway, so it's probably OK. Since it looks like no one objects, I'll post a re-do thread when I get up in a few hours, starting with Amiya / Waifu winning @ 280m, min increment 3% as usual, ending whenever the other guy gives up. (no reasoningtheory.net nor proxy bid nor anything special)

As I wrote in post #365, I (seller) agree with your proposal above.

hmm.. may I do the translate for you?

There are so many people discussed.
But the problem is not about the credits, it's my emotion. The most I can't stand for was morineko's action.
Why morineko said annoying thing after the auction has ended, if you have the credits then just bid for it!
WHY WERE YOU HIDED? COME AND FIGHT FOR IT IN FRONT.

and here is my reply.

yes, the credits are not the problem.
it is an auction, and there are rules about the auction.
but not everything will go with the rules so exceptions happens.

then we moved into this thread, and discussed about "how to properly handle the exceptions", for the auctions in future.
how will it go if the "bid price rolled back" becomes a practice?
the last time I met was 17m rolled to 16.483m, this time I saw 309m to 280m.
will this be used intentionally by someone knows the mechanic in future? hopes not.

And words for last question, at this moment there is no proof to show I was serious bidding 300+m or not.
I made the actions to try restore the situation I felt bad, because my objection was ignored before them.
Well, too more excuse, We will see if I have the credits enough in the next auction.

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And my question. Is it true that only the people with enough credits can talk about how the auctions works? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

hmm.. may I do the translate for you?
yes, the credits are not the problem.
it is an auction, and there are rules about the auction.
but not everything will go with the rules so exceptions happens.

If it's only system problem I don't know why you use aggressive word at first. If you didn't, it would be no argument.

If the system has the problem I offered a solution to do-over bidding. Isn't it fair?
And if you have any suggestion about the system you can discuss here. But the situation must be solved. For the system change, it's the future thread not now.

You did rude to me how I can stay calm?

As I see Amiya post, he angry about what morineko said. I look up for the bid log. morineko went to snipe at the end of the time once but BJ and WM still raise their bids. At the end after the problem occur, morineko said he will bid if it still in extended time. It's obviously he just show off. If he'd like to bid why he did nothing but watch the bid war only? And in the reality I don't think there are other potential buyers who will jump in the war.

There would be lots of bid warning pm/mm if there are 3 people fighting in the bid war.
So my strategy was let it go, make the field less chaos and determine to join or not by the inter-value when the war calms by one side.
"Wow, 309m, so passionate one have it... I can endure" "Can price roll back bcz the edited post?"
"What? it was just won by 309m, not 280m"

If it's only system problem I don't know why you use aggressive word at first. If you didn't, it would be no argument.

then the "roll back on exceptions" practice would be done already with lesser objects.

There would be lots of bid warning pm/mm if there are 3 people fighting in the bid war.
So my strategy was let it go, make the field less chaos and determine to join or not by the inter-value when the war calms by one side.
"Wow, 309m, so passionate one have it... I can endure" "Can price roll back bcz the edited post?"
"What? it was just won by 309m, not 280m"
then the "roll back on exceptions" practice would be done already with lesser objects.

Hmm, you try to mixed things up. The situation is easy to understand.
1) WM bid 280m
2) BJ bid 300m and edited later
3) WM bid 309m but didn't see the edited post.
4) WM see it and want to roll back if it's possible.
Isn't it up to dealer? (seller, auctioneer, buyer)
This is the current problem. For the change in the system it's can be discuss and improve it later to prevent the situation.
I don't get your point. You come with angry. You said the money isn't problem why are you so strict with it?

ignored?

how about making another exception?

Hea01 320m

so the quote above made the bid invalid itself.
Hea01 330m

Hea01 330m
even not a real one ... lol

If you need the gloves like me and blackjac00, you should do like we did.
Just put your bid and shut up. Also please don't edit post anymore.
This is my way.