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post Jun 18 2017, 13:56
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I changed helmet's Lmin to 19.87 just this week in response to a PM by Kadokura questioning the initial 63% stat you can still see in the preview. Maybe I shouldn't have done that.
QUOTE(Scremaz @ Jun 17 2017, 20:10) *
confirm. min and max depend on slot_roll multiplied by a fixed amount or something like that. for more infos, ask skillchip. he taught me the thing when i was coding my spreadsheets, but who remembers now...

either way, assuming gauntlets and leggings are correct (which should be, since spreads are coherent), i guess Lmin for helmet is roughly 22. this would also bring Lmax/Lmin spread for helmet to a reasonable amount (that is, intermediate between gauntlets and leggings).
I don't think a range would be added to the range database unless an equip with record low stat (or record high stat) was actually spotted. (Before the ranges got filled out, you could see in the past much narrower ranges.)

Lmax values are pretty set in stone, since we have lots of data from common Peerlesses. But the Lmin value of many equips is up in the air; we would need hundreds of Legendary-grade equips to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the current noted Lmin-Lmax spread error is below, say, 3%. (And this sort of statistical analysis is not being done, of course - just saying this to show that any Lmin stats noted are not so trustworthy)
QUOTE(Basara Nekki @ Jun 17 2017, 21:24) *
Before, the minimum value was 22.58 (I've written it here on a sheet of paper). Then someone reported a new minimum (at the beginning of the year, if I'm not mistaken) and the value was changed on the wiki.
I don't think skillchip updates ranges manually; too easy to mess up. he tells people to POST to the ranges page instead.

Possibly, what's going on is that skillchip's setup isn't filtering out the old bugged equips.
QUOTE(Sapo84 @ Jun 18 2017, 00:48) *
I prefer correct over simple when 0 can mean "bugged lmin" and "real lmin".
Yeah. Problem is, I think we've all gotten used to L-range percentiles, and if Power Slaughter becomes the one exception, I think it will confuse many people, many of whom do not read this thread or Ask the Experts (and may not even know English well). So I think I should guesstimate the current Helmet Lmin and stick to it.

Do you guys think I should just revert to my previous value of 22 21.89? (thanks EOAH) (I have never encountered a helmet with lower ADB.) Or does someone have a bit of confidence in another possible number?

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post Jun 18 2017, 14:06
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QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Jun 18 2017, 13:56) *

Do you guys think I should just revert to my previous value of 22? (I have never encountered a helmet with lower ADB.) Or does someone have a bit of confidence in another possible number?

There was an helmet with 21.89 some auctions ago.

edit: probably this: http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=839097baf8
Even though equipment comparison says 22.08, I'm sure I saw it unforged and it was 21.89

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post Jun 18 2017, 14:07
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QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Jun 18 2017, 13:56) *

Do you guys think I should just revert to my previous value of 22? (I have never encountered a helmet with lower ADB.) Or does someone have a bit of confidence in another possible number?

i vote for yes. just plot (lmax~lmin) spreads against slot mod, ordered by increasing slot mod. with 19.87 there's a very visible anomaly on helmet (sort of a spike), while with 22 it's almost a straight line (actually a bit more resembling a parabola, but i guess you understood what i mean)

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There was an helmet with 21.89 some auctions ago.

now forged, but seems fine. at least L range won't meet E range anymore - which currently happens only for helmet, btw
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post Jun 18 2017, 14:32
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QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Jun 18 2017, 13:56) *

Yeah. Problem is, I think we've all gotten used to L-range percentiles, and if Power Slaughter becomes the one exception, I think it will confuse many people, many of whom do not read this thread or Ask the Experts (and may not even know English well). So I think I should guesstimate the current Helmet Lmin and stick to it.

Do you guys think I should just revert to my previous value of 22? (I have never encountered a helmet with lower ADB.) Or does someone have a bit of confidence in another possible number?

I think it's probably the safest option.

But it's also not limited to power slaughter, power non slaughter boots probably have bugged LMin (last time I checked only boots generated soon after 0.82 have <11 ADB), and judging by sssss2's post many equipments had bugged ranges, so it's pretty much impossible to get correct LMin range without filtering by EID (power heavy seems the worst offender though).

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post Jun 19 2017, 16:59
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QUOTE(skillchip @ Dec 22 2011, 07:42) *

Please only post equipment with ID's over 72,000,000 (Updated 08/09/15)


ID 74150537 ADB 16.19 Boots of Slaughter

I saw a report that was dropped at 2015.08.08. 09:32 (UTC+0)


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post Jun 22 2017, 11:07
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I (finally) implemented what I think is an accurate forge base calculator, courtesy of info from Scremaz and others. Previously, there were errors of up to 10% or so, but now, hopefully, any errors will be 1% or less.
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post Jun 26 2017, 13:17
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0.85 update:

When you send mails, if you're going to send items that aren't 100% guaranteed to sell, which many users have an annoying habit of doing, please send the items individually. This way I can return individual gears without sending back everything contained in the mail.


I think I have everything set up again for 0.85, but if anyone sees anything strange that I've missed, please tell me.
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post Jun 30 2017, 03:34
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I sent 3 items for auction two days ago.

Nothing of mine was posted in auction?
They were all above the minimum standard.
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post Jun 30 2017, 03:50
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QUOTE(RoadShoe @ Jun 30 2017, 01:34) *

I sent 3 items for auction two days ago.

Nothing of mine was posted in auction?
They were all above the minimum standard.

You can find an explanation about it here:

https://forums.e-hentai.org/index.php?s=&am...t&p=4888521
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post Jun 30 2017, 04:03
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QUOTE(Kadokura @ Jun 29 2017, 18:50) *

You can find an explanation about it here:

https://forums.e-hentai.org/index.php?s=&am...t&p=4888521


Ahhh!! Cool! Thank you! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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post Jul 7 2017, 06:24
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Sorry for delay, my computer with everything on it died, so I don't have access to my local auction tools this week (and maybe next week). The updater should still work, but I'll be doing everything else manually; eg I just copied the list from the auction preview into the auction thread and added the sellers, and I'll be sending all mails manually.

Since I can't build the auction lists without a whole lot of effort (and re-coding) now, I'll probably skip next week's auction if I don't get my main computer back in time.
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post Jul 14 2017, 23:07
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Not a singe one complaining about the week skip?

Can i be proud to be on this forum?
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post Jul 14 2017, 23:10
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QUOTE(Maharid @ Jul 14 2017, 23:07) *

Not a singe one complaining about the week skip?

Can i be proud to be on this forum?


it was announced and explained. Complaining will only be annoying.

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post Jul 14 2017, 23:17
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or even worse, unfair towards a person who's trying his best to give a useful service to the community. so, what are we speaking about?
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post Jul 15 2017, 04:57
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QUOTE(Maharid @ Jul 15 2017, 05:07) *

Not a singe one complaining about the week skip?


Nope, but I'm looking forward to the avalanche of items though (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)
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QUOTE(LOL50015 @ Jul 15 2017, 09:57) *

Nope, but I'm looking forward to the avalanche of items though (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)


agreed. I hope something I want show up in the next auction.

2 months it didnt show up.
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QUOTE(Maharid @ Jul 14 2017, 23:07) *

Not a singe one complaining about the week skip?

Can i be proud to be on this forum?

Actually i am happy about this. Gives me more time to recover my credit reserves. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)
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post Jul 15 2017, 07:44
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QUOTE(Maharid @ Jul 14 2017, 14:07) *

Not a singe one complaining about the week skip?

Can i be proud to be on this forum?



A small community. Those who annoy more than one or two people would quickly be ostracized.

Also, it seems, a great deal fewer mouth-breathers here than in your typical online community.

My appraisal of humanity is showing >.<

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QUOTE(SidZBear @ Jul 15 2017, 15:44) *

A small community. Those who annoy more than one or two people would quickly be ostracized.

Also, it seems, a great deal fewer mouth-breathers here than in your typical online community.

My appraisal of humanity is showing >.<


There is a strong correlation between perversity and politeness. Mom said so.

Any update on your computer, Super? Or no updates 'cause it's deded?
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post Jul 15 2017, 10:35
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QUOTE(Zomnus @ Jul 15 2017, 08:07) *
Any update on your computer, Super? Or no updates 'cause it's deded?
Still being repaired, they are ordering a part that "could take 7-10 days to arrive" as of 8 days ago. I'm not happy, but at least I have a backup (without any of my stuff) in the meantime.
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Also, it seems, a great deal fewer mouth-breathers here than in your typical online community.
We know how to relieve our stress.

Also, no (explicit) PVP.

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