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Supes, I have a question.

Let's say I'm a proxy bidder, and I bid this item 3,1m.

A normal bidder went for that item for 3m. According to your rule, next bid should be 3,3m (3% increment).

What happens in this situation? Does my bid get automatically canceled and I lost that item?

Minimum bid increments:

• Start bid: 50k unless noted
• +30k if bid < 200k
• +50k if 200k <= bid < 2m and the item is not a [Mat]
• +3% for everything else
• A proxy bidder's last bid is exempt (1k minimum increment)

3m * 1.03 = 3.09m, so you're still over the standard minimum bid increment.

But take the case of the other bid being 3.05m (next bid 3.14m) The system submits a bid for you for 3.1m, and you become the highest bidder. Even though it was below the minimum bid increment for standard bidders, proxy bidders have only a 1k minimum bid increment. (the reasoning is: if you show intent to bid a larger amount earlier you deserve to have the current winning bid.)

As a counterbalance to ensure proxy bidders aren't repeatedly submitting bids in an attempt to evade the minimum bid increment, there is a limitation of no more than 3 proxy bids per item.

If the other person who bid 3.05m was a proxy bidder instead of a manual bidder, the result is the same.

This post has been edited by Superlatanium: Dec 8 2016, 08:30

Okay, thanks for the explanation.

I might have missed that...
If i make a proxy bif of 1M and someone comes afterwards and makes a normal bid of 1M, their bid overtakes mine? o_O
Cause that's what just happened.

I might have missed that...
If i make a proxy bif of 1M and someone comes afterwards and makes a normal bid of 1M, their bid overtakes mine? o_O
Cause that's what just happened.

https://forums.e-hentai.org/index.php?s=&am...t&p=4669947

So the logic was changed: in the case that the manual bidder bids an amount the exact same as the (earlier) proxy bidder, the manual bidder will win the item at that amount.

I don't think it's that fair either; I think the earlier bidder should get higher priority, but way too many people were getting confused.

Here's a "secret". For best results, I suggest submitting proxy bids of uneven quantities, slightly above the nice round numbers. Don't submit 1000k, submit 1001k, or 1021k. Don't submit 3m, submit 3.001m, or 3.11m. Etc. This way, you win the item while paying only a negligible amount more. (This sort of thing is a winning strategy in many online auctions using a proxy system, even when there's no manual bidding. It's useful to remember)

https://forums.e-hentai.org/index.php?s=&am...t&p=4669947

So i did miss it. Ok, cool then..

If I make a manual bid then later decide to make a proxy bid and there hasn't been any competitive bids made in between, it seems that I would have to make a bid against myself to start the proxy bid process. It just seem so wrong that I would have to bid against myself in order to transition from a normal bid to a proxy bid. Can you do anything to change this?

Can someone bid on his own item to raise someone else' proxy bid?

If I make a manual bid then later decide to make a proxy bid and there hasn't been any competitive bids made in between, it seems that I would have to make a bid against myself to start the proxy bid process. It just seem so wrong that I would have to bid against myself in order to transition from a normal bid to a proxy bid. Can you do anything to change this?

You won't bid against yourself, that situation has never happened (and shouldn't happen, if everything is correct, which it probably is since it hasn't happened by now).

I know this situation has been resolved (as intended) a few times before. Look [reasoningtheory.net] here at Mat31. #60 Shimaidon bid for 800k, and later submitted a proxy bid that was greater than 1000k. After that, user ttyha submits a bid and then gets immediately outbid by [Proxy] Shimaidon. See how [Proxy] Shimaidon did not try to outbid standard bidder Shimaidon between #60 and ttyha's bid.

Btw, for those who haven't realized: the "Date" column is only filled out for proxy bidders when they're first submitting the bid. So if you see a proxy bid without a date in the bid log, the proxy bid activated then had been submitted sometime previously.

Can someone bid on his own item to raise someone else' proxy bid?

It would effectively be the same as the seller setting a higher starting bid - with the exception that, in the case that the seller goes over the other person's proxy bid and "wins" the item, I remove the item from MM and send it back to them with 100% COD while (later) sending the seller only 90%. It's not only rude, but stupid as well, and no one's done that so far.

This post has been edited by Superlatanium: Dec 18 2016, 10:14

I'll take that as a yes then

I have a question.

If I send you an IW10ed and renamed item, what name appears in the list. The original name of the item or the renamed one ?

ie : I have this marvellous staff. If I IWed it to 10 and rename it "Don't laugh at me", will it shows

1) Don't laugh at me or
2) Legendary Arctic Redwood Staff of Niflheim


Another question arise.

What happened in case of negative starting price (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)
No, seriously, has this case been envisaged ? Probably not. But will the system break ? Just curiosity...

I have a question.

If I send you an IW10ed and renamed item, what name appears in the list. The original name of the item or the renamed one ?

ie : I have this marvellous staff. If I IWed it to 10 and rename it "Don't laugh at me", will it shows

1) Don't laugh at me or
2) Legendary Arctic Redwood Staff of Niflheim
Another question arise.

What happened in case of negative starting price (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)
No, seriously, has this case been envisaged ? Probably not. But will the system break ? Just curiosity...

Names aren't kept when you attach items to MMs

What happened in case of negative starting price (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)
No, seriously, has this case been envisaged ? Probably not. But will the system break ? Just curiosity...

Oh come on, that staff it's not THAT bad! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

What happened in case of negative starting price (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)
No, seriously, has this case been envisaged ? Probably not. But will the system break ? Just curiosity...

Not likely, all starting prices are entered by hand (I look for MMs with "start" in their message content and enter the appropriate number), and after starting the auction I will quickly get a PM if something's wrong. The update script's regex for start bids is is [Ss]tart:\s([^\)]+)\)

Can there ever be a solution to prevent an abuse of a system by a 3rd party intentionally increasing the price of an item without actually wanting it?

Can there ever be a solution to prevent an abuse of a system by a 3rd party intentionally increasing the price of an item without actually wanting it?

I'm curious, do you have an example of such behavior?
I'm pretty sure that if you can prove someone is doing that Super will temp-ban/perm-ban the user.

Can there ever be a solution to prevent an abuse of a system by a 3rd party intentionally increasing the price of an item without actually wanting it?

They would have to pay for the item if they happen to win it and would get banned if they refuse.

@Sapos:
Well, I sometimes though of bidding on stuff because I don't like other people getting cheap gears especially if its similar to something that I recently paid a lot for. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

They would have to pay for the item if they happen to win it and would get banned if they refuse.

This has happened before, and yes, that person is banned.

But note that there's a difference between not wanting to personally use something you bid on (which quite a few people do) and not wanting to remove the item from CoD after legitimately winning it (which is the only type of behavior that's problematic).

You might also consider that even if someone tries to increase the current bid of an item, the other person will only pay more if they value that item even more. The other person, as long as they can still win the item at a price below X (their secret maximum bid), they'll be happier than the alternative of not having the option to compete over the item in the first place. And if the current bid goes over what they're willing to pay, they don't pay anything, of course (and aren't any worse off than when they started, only disappointed).

The way auctions generally work is the person who wants the item the most pays the bid of the second-highest bidder (or very close to that). The person who wants the item the most is rarely paying their true value, and is getting a net positive result (or breaking even) no matter what happens.

Due to similar reasons, prices in shops are generally higher than prices in auctions. A shop owner can try to determine a price very close to a desperate buyer's true valuation and try to maximize their profit; in such a case, the buyer is often paying closer to their own value of the item, rather than the second-highest bidder's value.

Everything is voluntary (in both auctions and shops), and everyone involved is either benefiting or breaking even, which is one of the reasons I'm not all that worried about minor things.

@Sapo It's just a general concern and imo a fundamental flaw of auctions

The malicious increasing in price to help the seller get a higher price in auctions is just a case of an abuse of the system creating an exception to the general situation of the buyer paying the bid of the second-highest bidder.

The problem with this form of collusion is that even if the malicious bidders bids higher than the max value of the other bidders and wins, he can always resell the item and no one would be the wiser.

This is indeed quite minor though and might just be something we have to accept to be inherent in the system.

Something happened, and I want your guys' input.

1. Bids and wins for 50k: [Hea42] Legendary Shielding Plate Gauntlets of Stoneskin (497, IW 10) (seller: Sato Rina) ppp82p 50k
2. Forges to 5
3. Sends it back to me to auction with start bid of 300k. I reply:

>Legendary Shielding Plate Gauntlets of Stoneskin
> Start: 300k

That's quite unlikely, as you saw before, no one wanted to bid more than 50k when it had no forging on it (and forging just to 5 doesn't really add value, and this equip has a bad suffix)

It might go for 50k or 100k or so, but we both know 300k is way too much

Basara Nekki bought 3 similar things, unforged, from sssss2, for the same price.

Me accepting less than that is even less unlikely lol.

For reference:

Hello sssss2,

Legendary Cobalt Power Gauntlets of Balance @ 500k
Legendary Mithril Power Leggings of Balance @ 500k
Legendary Shielding Plate Gauntlets of Protection @ 300k

I don't think Stoneskin suffix is anywhere near as good as Protection suffix. I also don't think almost-level-500 Plate with bad suffix is comparable to Power. I also don't think adding a few thousand worth of forge value to a 50k equip and trying to turn around and sell it for 300k+ is something I should enable. But I don't want to claim to know everything.

Please advise, am I being unfair?

Feel free to send back then >_>

If you don't like what I think, instead of shouting it from the rooftops, you should just apply what it's right for you ._.

I don't think Stoneskin suffix is anywhere near as good as Protection suffix.

lmao, plate

This post has been edited by ppp82p: Dec 21 2016, 18:18