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Evade isn't needed, but I had SV active(+27.4), and got 100% misses with weaken.
I didn't try to check the "limit". It was against some IWBTH monsters over 100 rounds, with my 2W setup: 227.53+166.7 = 394.23 deprecating prof.

Unless evade (or shadow view) stacks addictively with blind, I don't think they will produce 100% misses.
So decap proficiency increases the effects of blind as well as the duration?

Unless evade (or shadow view) stacks addictively with blind, I don't think they will produce 100% misses.
So decap proficiency increases the effects of blind as well as the duration?

You're confusing evade with missing:
1 3 Cockatrice misses the attack against you.
3 2 You evade the attack from White Fox Miko.

You're confusing evade with missing:

So SV increases misses and misses stack additively with blind?

So SV increases misses and misses stack additively with blind?

I don't know, I only did a small test since I need the tokens. I only spoke about SV because it's on the auto-cast slot, and forgot to remove it.

IMO wait for Hito or 4Ever to reply.

This post has been edited by cmdct: Feb 12 2011, 18:10

More Fun FSM-IWBTH

5809 16 You gain 1115 Credits!
5809 15 You gain 3316021.31 EXP!
5809 14 Your HP and MP have been fully restored!
5809 13 Arena Token Bonus! [Token of Blood]
5809 12 Arena Clear Bonus! [Fine Longsword of Balance] junk
5809 11 Flying Spaghetti Monster dropped [Noodly Appendage] - Superior Ebony Staff of the Fox
5809 10 You are Victorious!

640 5 Puff of Logic crits you for 434768 soul damage. (absorb stopped it once and gave me 90 mana, it only costs 85 to cast) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

147 6 Spreading Poison hits Flying Spaghetti Monster for 8298 damage.

14 5 Spreading Poison hits Flying Spaghetti Monster for 1001 damage.(AF only)

0 2 Spawned Monster A: MID=32 (Flying Spaghetti Monster) LV=280 HP=28416375 MP=318 SP=93 NA=50 Type=hostile
0 1 Initializing arena challenge #111 (Round 1 / 1) ...
0 0 Battle Start!

Spark went off 5-10 times, took a Last Elixir with and didn't need it.

147 6 Spreading Poison hits Flying Spaghetti Monster for 8298 damage.

14 5 Spreading Poison hits Flying Spaghetti Monster for 1001 damage.(AF only)

Now I'm curious as to how high I could get it. I got as much as 1750 from AF only.

But, it's not worth wasting 3 tokens, a vase, and a gum.

Now the question is:
Do you get more poison damage from foxy gear or from curse-weaver gear?

Now I'm curious as to how high I could get it. I got as much as 1750 from AF only.

But, it's not worth wasting 3 tokens, a vase, and a gum.

Do it on normal, at least you get the trophy without much trouble.

Do it on normal, at least you get the trophy without much trouble.

That's not going to tell me the damage I'd get on IWBTH, which defeats the purpose.

That's not going to tell me the damage I'd get on IWBTH, which defeats the purpose.

IIRC the shield/barrier ratings aren't changed between difficulties, only HP and attack/magic ratings.

Well that's not correct then since I've already used this method on both Normal and IWBTH and the damage range wasn't the same using only AF.

The average damage on normal was several hundred points higher than on IWBTH.

This post has been edited by hitokiri84: Feb 12 2011, 22:26

This is with just my Holy set on Normal:

Regular damage:
6 4 Spreading Poison hits Flying Spaghetti Monster for 454 damage.

Flower Vase:
14 5 Spreading Poison hits Flying Spaghetti Monster for 1772 damage.

Flower Vase + Gum:
18 5 Spreading Poison hits Flying Spaghetti Monster for 3875 damage.

So yeah.

Gum is just HP/MP Elixir + all crits.

This also can't be right unless Poison can land as a critical hit. Not to mention the giant damage increase my Banish gets.

We know the Vase works by increasing your attack/magic rating (amongst other things). I suspect the Gum does the same. I suppose it might debuff all your enemies instead, a bit like giving everything PA - though that would be more complicated. Don't know if there's any way to tell the difference.

Now I'm curious as to how high I could get it. I got as much as 1750 from AF only.

But, it's not worth wasting 3 tokens, a vase, and a gum.

I didn't use channeling when i cast those first spell, but I still can't get close to your damage. I wouldn't be surprised if you can do 10-15k vs FSM.

You know my equipment isn't as good as your and your DP is probably +100 points more then mine. Do you think the difference in damage is just your higher DP or maybe its your staff MDM + your higher INT/WIS

Were you ever able to cast a channeling nerf+poison when you had gum and vase active? I wasn't able to do that, but wouldn't that give a lot more damage? Also the range of my poison damage changed a lot from cast to cast, I think I had all the same spells cast with channeling each time but it would drop a few 1000 points.

You know my equipment isn't as good as your and your DP is probably +100 points more then mine. Do you think the difference in damage is just your higher DP or maybe its your staff MDM + your higher INT/WIS

I think my proficiency was about 600. I doubt MDM boosts it since it was very low on the staff I used, but Magic Rating from INT/WIS probably boosts it some.

Were you ever able to cast a channeling nerf+poison when you had gum and vase active? I wasn't able to do that, but wouldn't that give a lot more damage? Also the range of my poison damage changed a lot from cast to cast, I think I had all the same spells cast with channeling each time but it would drop a few 1000 points.

I never used gum, but I did cast with nerf + channeling + vase when I got the 5k+ damage. I'm pretty sure that channeling doesn't influence the damage from poison at all. I think it only increases the duration by 50% for depreciating/supportive/regen spells. Otherwise, channeling would boost lifestream damage, and it definitely doesn't do that.

I think my proficiency was about 600.

Now the question is how much proficiency do you need to guarantee always miss with blind.

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4515 14 You gain 783754.4 EXP!
4515 13 Your HP and MP have been fully restored!
4515 12 Arena Token Bonus! [Token of Healing]
4515 11 Arena Clear Bonus! [Fine Leather Leggings of the Thrice-blessed]
4515 10 Real Life dropped [Black T-Shirt]
4515 9 You are Victorious!


0 2 Spawned Monster A: MID=24 (Real Life) LV=249 HP=11122625 MP=291 SP=297 NA=50 Type=hostile
0 1 Initializing arena challenge #109 (Round 1 / 1) ...
0 0 Battle Start!

Stunned & poisoned to death (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)



About poison, yes magic rating increase poison dmg, boggy confirmed that with Tenb some time ago.
mdm not, I tested poison dmg with AF vs without AF.
Oh, and no wonder flower vase increase the poison dmg so high:

1101 1 You crit Real Life for 140 crushing damage.-> with flower.
1107 1 You crit Real Life for 21 crushing damage.

This post has been edited by cmdct: Feb 13 2011, 03:50

99 10 You gain 1044 Credits!
99 9 You gain 118397.2 EXP!
99 8 Your HP and MP have been fully restored!
99 7 Arena Token Bonus! [Chaos Token]
99 6 Arena Clear Bonus! [Average Club of Slaughter]
99 5 Dalek dropped [Dalek Voicebox]
99 4 You are Victorious!
99 3 Dalek has been defeated.
99 2 Chain Lightning hits Dalek for 4987 elec damage.
99 1 You cast Chain Lightning.

Dalek on IWBTH (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wub.gif)

Now the question is how much proficiency do you need to guarantee always miss with blind.

I didn't get hit with normal attacks vs IPU but vs FSM I did from time to time. The damage wasn't bad but I took more damage if I didn't use channeling to cast weaken/blind. Shadow Vile was on auto cast so that also made a big difference. hitokiri84 said he didn't get hit by normal attacks with ~600 DP where I had ~530 and did from time to time.


Poison Damage vs FSM-Normal ~530 deprecating proficiency
921, 980, 945, 933 - Poison
1026, 956, 921, 933 - AF + Poison
968, 956, 1003 - (Channeling AF) + Poison (266t)
945, 980, 945, 921 - (Channeling AF) + (Channeling Poison) (399t)
980, 1015, 1003 - (Channeling AF) + Weaken + Poison
980, 921, 956 - (Channeling AF) + Weaken + Bewilder + Poison
1050, 1015, 1038, 1027 - (Channeling AF) + Weaken + Bewilder + Nerf + Poison
1003, 1027, 1108, 1073 - (Channeling AF) + Weaken + Bewilder + Nerf + (Channeling Poison)
980, 980, 1027, 1015, 1027 - (Channeling AF) + Weaken + Bewilder + Nerf + Magnet + Poison
922 - (Channeling AF) + (Channeling Weaken) + Bewilder + Nerf + Magnet + Poison
1073 - (Channeling AF) + (Channeling Weaken) + Bewilder + Nerf + Magnet + (Channeling Poison)
1003, 922 - (C AF) + (C Weaken) + Bewilder + (C Nerf) + Magnet + (C Poison)
968, 945, 945 - (C AF) + (C Weaken) + (C Blind) + (C Nerf) + (C Magnet) + Poison
968, 1003, 1003, 945 - (C AF) + (C Weaken) + (C Blind) + (C Nerf) + (C Magnet) + Poison
992, 968, 980 - (C AF) + (C Weaken) + (C Blind) + (C Nerf) + (C Magnet) + Infusion of Gaia + Poison
4572, 5295, 4362 - (C AF) + (C Weaken) + (C Blind) + (C Nerf) + (C Magnet) + Flower Vase + Poison
3966 - (C AF) + (C Weaken) + (C Blind) + (C Nerf) + (C Magnet) + Flower Vase + (C Poison)
5202, 4106 - (C AF) + (C Weaken) + (C Blind) + (C Nerf) + (C Magnet) + Bubble Gum + Poison
4770 - (C AF) + (C Weaken) + (C Blind) + (C Nerf) + (C Magnet) + Bubble Gum + (C Poison)
6870 - (C AF) + (C Weaken) + (C Blind) + (C Nerf) + (C Magnet) + Bubble Gum + Flower Vase + Poison
7966 - (C AF) + (C Weaken) + (C Blind) + (C Nerf) + (C Magnet) + Bubble Gum + Flower Vase + (C Poison)

Numbers to play with

hitokiri84 said he didn't get hit by normal attacks with ~600 DP where I had ~530 and did from time to time.

Meaning that for us lower level players, this method does not really work.

Meaning that for us lower level players, this method does not really work.

I wouldn't say that since they are about the same level as you. I didn't need regen II or Lifestream to get my life back, cure 1 was fine but if I had channeling I would still cast regen II and Lifestream. The high poison does a good job of keeping their mana points low so they don't cast many spells and the blind/shadow fail takes care of their spirit attacks most of the time.

What you need is someone around level 150 and 200 to try and kill them with poison.