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post Feb 12 2011, 05:57
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QUOTE(sushi0 @ Feb 11 2011, 21:50) *

So that means you only used flower vases to get that 5k poison?

Vase, singular. And yes.
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post Feb 12 2011, 05:59
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Well, it wasn't any great mystery there. I'm actually more curious how he managed this:

QUOTE(hitokiri84 @ Feb 11 2011, 15:15) *

I was only hit about 12 times by its magic/spirit attacks and wasn't hit a single time by normal attacks.


I can see not getting hit at all (stun) or never getting hit by spirit/magical (silence), but ONLY getting hit by spirit/magical?
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post Feb 12 2011, 06:11
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QUOTE(Conquest101 @ Feb 12 2011, 05:41) *

This is with just my Holy set on Normal:

Regular damage:
6 4 Spreading Poison hits Flying Spaghetti Monster for 454 damage.

Flower Vase:
14 5 Spreading Poison hits Flying Spaghetti Monster for 1772 damage.

Flower Vase + Gum:
18 5 Spreading Poison hits Flying Spaghetti Monster for 3875 damage.

So yeah.
This also can't be right unless Poison can land as a critical hit. Not to mention the giant damage increase my Banish gets.


WOW. Poison can make crits?!

I'll keep all my gums from now on.
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post Feb 12 2011, 06:12
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QUOTE(vean @ Feb 11 2011, 20:11) *

WOW. Poison can make crits?!

I'll keep all my gums from now on.


No, it can't. That was my point.
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post Feb 12 2011, 06:17
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QUOTE(Conquest101 @ Feb 12 2011, 06:12) *

No, it can't. That was my point.



Flower Vase + Gum:
18 5 Spreading Poison hits Flying Spaghetti Monster for 3875 damage.

If they can't, what's the origin of this big extra damage?

1772 -> 3875...Or gum have some other use for poison?
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post Feb 12 2011, 06:37
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QUOTE(Conquest101 @ Feb 11 2011, 21:59) *
I can see not getting hit at all (stun) or never getting hit by spirit/magical (silence), but ONLY getting hit by spirit/magical?

Maybe I have a super secret level 300 ability called Ghost that makes me immune to physical attacks. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif)
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post Feb 12 2011, 06:44
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9 6 Spreading Poison hits Flying Spaghetti Monster for 7703 damage.
9 5 Flying Spaghetti Monster misses the attack against you.

Yeah, this won't take long. Kinda regret going in on normal difficulty now.
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post Feb 12 2011, 07:26
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QUOTE(Conquest101 @ Feb 12 2011, 03:59) *

Well, it wasn't any great mystery there. I'm actually more curious how he managed this:
I can see not getting hit at all (stun) or never getting hit by spirit/magical (silence), but ONLY getting hit by spirit/magical?


It was the same for me when I did IPU and I don't have access to hitokiri84's level 300 Ghost Ninja spells or his death cookie. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif)
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post Feb 12 2011, 07:32
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QUOTE(4EverLost @ Feb 11 2011, 23:26) *

It was the same for me when I did IPU and I don't have access to hitokiri84's level 300 Ghost Ninja spells or his cheater cookie. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif)

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QUOTE(sushi0 @ Feb 11 2011, 22:44) *

9 6 Spreading Poison hits Flying Spaghetti Monster for 7703 damage.
9 5 Flying Spaghetti Monster misses the attack against you.

Yeah, this won't take long. Kinda regret going in on normal difficulty now.

Might take longer than you think since Normal FSM and IWBTH FSM are worlds apart in terms of defense.
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post Feb 12 2011, 14:04
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QUOTE(4EverLost @ Feb 12 2011, 05:26) *
QUOTE(hitokiri84 @ Feb 12 2011, 04:37) *
QUOTE(Conquest101 @ Feb 12 2011, 03:59) *

Well, it wasn't any great mystery there. I'm actually more curious how he managed this:
I can see not getting hit at all (stun) or never getting hit by spirit/magical (silence), but ONLY getting hit by spirit/magical?
Maybe I have a super secret level 300 ability called Ghost that makes me immune to physical attacks. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif)
It was the same for me when I did IPU and I don't have access to hitokiri84's level 300 Ghost Ninja spells or his death cookie. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif)
Since I was right the first time, let's try again.
My guess is, blind with this extra prof, they'll get 100% miss from normal attacks. The Spirit don't have 100% miss because of the crits which you can't prevent them without bewilder.

Edit:
Funny I noticed that it's possible to kill them with sleep+lifestream and using magic regen.
Of course this will take like +100,000 turns, and considering 100% time lifestream which can't be done of course (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Edit2:
Yeah it's blind (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

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post Feb 12 2011, 16:04
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Yeah it's blind

How high do you need to get your evade to utilize this?
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post Feb 12 2011, 16:23
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QUOTE(Golden Sun @ Feb 12 2011, 14:04) *

How high do you need to get your evade to utilize this?
Evade isn't needed, but I had SV active(+27.4), and got 100% misses with weaken.
I didn't try to check the "limit". It was against some IWBTH monsters over 100 rounds, with my 2W setup: 227.53+166.7 = 394.23 deprecating prof.

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post Feb 12 2011, 16:52
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Evade isn't needed, but I had SV active(+27.4), and got 100% misses with weaken.
I didn't try to check the "limit". It was against some IWBTH monsters over 100 rounds, with my 2W setup: 227.53+166.7 = 394.23 deprecating prof.

Unless evade (or shadow view) stacks addictively with blind, I don't think they will produce 100% misses.
So decap proficiency increases the effects of blind as well as the duration?
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post Feb 12 2011, 17:01
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QUOTE(Golden Sun @ Feb 12 2011, 14:52) *

Unless evade (or shadow view) stacks addictively with blind, I don't think they will produce 100% misses.
So decap proficiency increases the effects of blind as well as the duration?
You're confusing evade with missing:
1 3 Cockatrice misses the attack against you.
3 2 You evade the attack from White Fox Miko.
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post Feb 12 2011, 17:22
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You're confusing evade with missing:

So SV increases misses and misses stack additively with blind?
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post Feb 12 2011, 18:10
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QUOTE(Golden Sun @ Feb 12 2011, 15:22) *

So SV increases misses and misses stack additively with blind?
I don't know, I only did a small test since I need the tokens. I only spoke about SV because it's on the auto-cast slot, and forgot to remove it.

IMO wait for Hito or 4Ever to reply.

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More Fun FSM-IWBTH

5809 16 You gain 1115 Credits!
5809 15 You gain 3316021.31 EXP!
5809 14 Your HP and MP have been fully restored!
5809 13 Arena Token Bonus! [Token of Blood]
5809 12 Arena Clear Bonus! [Fine Longsword of Balance] junk
5809 11 Flying Spaghetti Monster dropped [Noodly Appendage] - Superior Ebony Staff of the Fox
5809 10 You are Victorious!

640 5 Puff of Logic crits you for 434768 soul damage. (absorb stopped it once and gave me 90 mana, it only costs 85 to cast) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

147 6 Spreading Poison hits Flying Spaghetti Monster for 8298 damage.

14 5 Spreading Poison hits Flying Spaghetti Monster for 1001 damage.(AF only)

0 2 Spawned Monster A: MID=32 (Flying Spaghetti Monster) LV=280 HP=28416375 MP=318 SP=93 NA=50 Type=hostile
0 1 Initializing arena challenge #111 (Round 1 / 1) ...
0 0 Battle Start!

Spark went off 5-10 times, took a Last Elixir with and didn't need it.

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post Feb 12 2011, 21:18
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QUOTE(4EverLost @ Feb 12 2011, 11:12) *
147 6 Spreading Poison hits Flying Spaghetti Monster for 8298 damage.

14 5 Spreading Poison hits Flying Spaghetti Monster for 1001 damage.(AF only)

Now I'm curious as to how high I could get it. I got as much as 1750 from AF only.

But, it's not worth wasting 3 tokens, a vase, and a gum.
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post Feb 12 2011, 21:20
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Now the question is:
Do you get more poison damage from foxy gear or from curse-weaver gear?
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post Feb 12 2011, 21:31
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QUOTE(hitokiri84 @ Feb 12 2011, 19:18) *

Now I'm curious as to how high I could get it. I got as much as 1750 from AF only.

But, it's not worth wasting 3 tokens, a vase, and a gum.
Do it on normal, at least you get the trophy without much trouble.

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