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Sep 24 2010, 00:22
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buktore
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Spawned Monster A: MID=31 (Invisible Pink Unicorn) LV=108 HP=302755 MP=116 SP=265 NA=53 Type=hostile first try (if not counting the "test" battle I did 10LV ago (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) ) Fighting style: DW Axe+Rapier Physical Attack +41.5 % damage +61.8 % hit chance +9 % crit chance Avoidance +19.5 % evade +0 % block +21.1 % parry +10.7 % resist +76.6 % Holy mitigation Item used: 6x Mana Elixirs, 1x Gum (waste), 1x Scroll of the gods Easier than RL IMO.
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Sep 24 2010, 02:14
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shiki666
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QUOTE(buktore @ Sep 23 2010, 18:22)  Spawned Monster A: MID=31 (Invisible Pink Unicorn) LV=108 HP=302755 MP=116 SP=265 NA=53 Type=hostile first try (if not counting the "test" battle I did 10LV ago (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) ) Fighting style: DW Axe+Rapier Physical Attack +41.5 % damage +61.8 % hit chance +9 % crit chance Avoidance +19.5 % evade +0 % block +21.1 % parry +10.7 % resist +76.6 % Holy mitigation Item used: 6x Mana Elixirs, 1x Gum (waste), 1x Scroll of the gods Easier than RL IMO. Wow that is impressive! What kind of damage did you do to IPU per turn and how much damage did you take from his special attack and normal attacks on average? You made it look too easy! I only have a DW rapier + dagger or rapier + rapier. Did you try that combo before?
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Sep 24 2010, 03:04
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buktore
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As you see in the pic, the damage came mostly from bleed (315 per turn) and Poison+PA (100-150 per turn) and that's about it. You can't melee the Gods (unlike the Legendary), their defense is far too high even if PA... 817 2 Your offhand hits Invisible Pink Unicorn for 11 piercing damage. 817 1 You hit Invisible Pink Unicorn for 25 slashing damage. 816 3 Invisible Pink Unicorn gains the effect Penetrated Armor. 564 1 You crit Invisible Pink Unicorn for 5 slashing damage. 563 1 You hit Invisible Pink Unicorn for 3 slashing damage. bleed them to dead seem to be the only way if not using magic. That's why I use Axe. I get hit for about 150-230 and half of that if I use weaken. Their skill are not really that much different than theNormal attack. Spirit Attack = Dead. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)
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Sep 24 2010, 03:11
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grumpymal
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QUOTE(buktore @ Sep 23 2010, 21:04)  You can't melee the Gods (unlike the Legendary), their defense is far too high even if PA...
Yeah you can. That's how I did it. You just can't melee them at that low level.
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Sep 24 2010, 17:14
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shiki666
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QUOTE(buktore @ Sep 23 2010, 21:04)  As you see in the pic, the damage came mostly from bleed (315 per turn) and Poison+PA (100-150 per turn) and that's about it. You can't melee the Gods (unlike the Legendary), their defense is far too high even if PA... 817 2 Your offhand hits Invisible Pink Unicorn for 11 piercing damage. 817 1 You hit Invisible Pink Unicorn for 25 slashing damage. 816 3 Invisible Pink Unicorn gains the effect Penetrated Armor. 564 1 You crit Invisible Pink Unicorn for 5 slashing damage. 563 1 You hit Invisible Pink Unicorn for 3 slashing damage. bleed them to dead seem to be the only way if not using magic. That's why I use Axe. I get hit for about 150-230 and half of that if I use weaken. Their skill are not really that much different than theNormal attack. Spirit Attack = Dead. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) So you say you killed this thing with just bleed and Poison + PA? Does PA affect bleed? Did you use any magic? I know we don't get Dark magic until lv 150 but does that mean any other spell is useless against it? The only bleed weapon I got is a katana. Should I try Niten Ichiryu on the Gods like IPU? Is that a good idea? Or should I buy an axe to DW with a rapier instead?
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Sep 24 2010, 17:29
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Conquest101
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QUOTE(shiki666 @ Sep 24 2010, 08:14)  So you say you killed this thing with just bleed and Poison + PA? Does PA affect bleed? Did you use any magic? I know we don't get Dark magic until lv 150 but does that mean any other spell is useless against it? The only bleed weapon I got is a katana. Should I try Niten Ichiryu on the Gods like IPU? Is that a good idea? Or should I buy an axe to DW with a rapier instead?
PA does not affect bleed damage. If you're at the appropriate level and have access to Dark spells, you CAN use them to speed up the battle, but it's not necessary. I'd recommend Axe/Rapier over Katana/Wakizashi unless you have a ridiculously good set of the latter. You can usually find better bleed on an axe, and PA does help. Keep in mind that if you're going to try it at as low of a level as Buktore did it, you should go with mitigation gear. I don't know if it'd be possible with a regular equip setup (you'd probably have to go ridiculous with the item usage at the very least, unless you wanted to do it the super slow mage way, but it'd take foreverx10 without Dark spells. This post has been edited by Conquest101: Sep 24 2010, 17:41
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Sep 24 2010, 18:55
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hgbdd
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QUOTE(Conquest101 @ Sep 24 2010, 16:29)  I'd recommend Axe/Rapier over Katana/Wakizashi unless you have a ridiculously good set of the latter.
Definitely Axe/Rapier over Katana/Wakizashi. You must have some kind of insane good bleding niten set to overcome Axe/Rapier because of 2 things: The pitiful Wakizashi's bleeding will fuck up the Katana's bleeding, and this will worsen as you raise level/2W prof. You lose the extra damage from PA+poison, and if you use silence, the extra damage from mini-spirit attacks too, so the Katana's bleeding must be way superior to the Axe's bledding.
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Sep 24 2010, 19:17
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shiki666
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QUOTE(Conquest101 @ Sep 24 2010, 11:29)  PA does not affect bleed damage. If you're at the appropriate level and have access to Dark spells, you CAN use them to speed up the battle, but it's not necessary. I'd recommend Axe/Rapier over Katana/Wakizashi unless you have a ridiculously good set of the latter. You can usually find better bleed on an axe, and PA does help.
Keep in mind that if you're going to try it at as low of a level as Buktore did it, you should go with mitigation gear. I don't know if it'd be possible with a regular equip setup (you'd probably have to go ridiculous with the item usage at the very least, unless you wanted to do it the super slow mage way, but it'd take foreverx10 without Dark spells.
Here is my Katana and Wakizashi below. I'm not sure if you'd consider this good or not but the damage and stuff is scaled to my level. http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=cf6ae5e14dhttp://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=33366531f0I'm going to try it as soon as I reach level 100 so I'm making preparation right now. So I know I need Holy mitigation against Unicorn and Dark against Flying Spaghetti but what about Real Life? Is there a damage mitigation for Soul Damage as well? And what % mitigation is a good amount for all my armor together? Is it around 75-76% mitigation?
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Sep 24 2010, 19:47
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Conquest101
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QUOTE(shiki666 @ Sep 24 2010, 10:17)  Here is my Katana and Wakizashi below. I'm not sure if you'd consider this good or not but the damage and stuff is scaled to my level. http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=cf6ae5e14dhttp://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=33366531f0I'm going to try it as soon as I reach level 100 so I'm making preparation right now. So I know I need Holy mitigation against Unicorn and Dark against Flying Spaghetti but what about Real Life? Is there a damage mitigation for Soul Damage as well? And what % mitigation is a good amount for all my armor together? Is it around 75-76% mitigation? No, go with Axe/Rapier as cmdct said. Yes, there is shielding-aura equipment for soul damage mitigation, but it's not worth it, since unlike the other 2 types, shielding-aura equip can usually only have 3-4% at best. In that sense, Real Life can actually be harder than IPU at least, since you can't mitigate its damage. Shoot for at around 70% at least. That much is pretty easy to acquire. I don't bother with it myself, but cmal, Sayo, etc. have some available in their shops.
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Sep 24 2010, 20:23
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hgbdd
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QUOTE(shiki666 @ Sep 24 2010, 18:17)  I'm going to try it as soon as I reach level 100 so I'm making preparation right now.
If you really want to beat at that level, get all item slots, because you're gonna need them all, and more for FSM (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) QUOTE(shiki666 @ Sep 24 2010, 18:17)  And what % mitigation is a good amount for all my armor together? Is it around 75-76% mitigation?
Considering you have all item slots, that should be enough for IPU, but for FSM if you don't bring around 90% you can't do it, IIRC had ~85%, and spend all items at level 130. Another thing, you need not only high 2W proficiency (which raise bleed damage), but also curative/supportive/deprecating proficiencies high as well. This post has been edited by cmdct: Sep 24 2010, 20:23
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Sep 24 2010, 21:04
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shiki666
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QUOTE(cmdct @ Sep 24 2010, 14:23)  If you really want to beat at that level, get all item slots, because you're gonna need them all, and more for FSM (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) Considering you have all item slots, that should be enough for IPU, but for FSM if you don't bring around 90% you can't do it, IIRC had ~85%, and spend all items at level 130. Another thing, you need not only high 2W proficiency (which raise bleed damage), but also curative/supportive/deprecating proficiencies high as well. Well I bought an item slot so I got 8 right now. (I also bought an aura slot too.) I'll of course choose all the ability item slots if thats what your talking about. Here are my proficiencies below. I'm getting hooked to maging right now but I'll be sure to keep up my 2W. (I hope 85-90 proficiency is enough for when I reach 100.) And how much bleed for axe would you recommend? Should I be getting something the same as my katana like 300 bleed damage for axe? Also should I forget the elementalist armor and just wear my high evade silk to fight the gods? Do most people beat the Gods with Melee or a Staff? (IMG:[ i271.photobucket.com] http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj142/photobucketreg/TheHentaiVerse_1285354906464.png) This post has been edited by shiki666: Sep 24 2010, 21:24
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Sep 24 2010, 21:36
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hgbdd
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Real life, IPU, and meh I had only 67,4% dark mitigation against FSM, +80 dark mitigation should do the trick. QUOTE Do most people beat the Gods with Melee or a Staff? At low level with bleeding till now. Forget the elementalist stuff.
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Sep 24 2010, 21:50
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Conquest101
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I did it with a staff, but I was considerably higher level. It also takes way longer and is boring as shit. Just do it with bleeding.
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Sep 24 2010, 22:46
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QUOTE(Conquest101 @ Sep 24 2010, 12:50)  I did it with a staff, but I was considerably higher level. It also takes way longer and is boring as shit.
How long did it take you to beat them? It took me over 7,000 turns to beat the FSM on battletoads...
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Sep 24 2010, 22:48
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grumpymal
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If you really wanna do RL on easy mode, here's what you do: 1) Use any setup that uses a PA rapier 2) Bring some Soul Stones, a Gum, and a Vase 3) Stay alive until you overload your OC 4) Proc PA 5) Use Gum and Vase 6) ??? 7) Profit
For extra lulz, bring an Infusion of Gaia along.
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Sep 24 2010, 23:36
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shiki666
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QUOTE(cmal @ Sep 24 2010, 16:48)  If you really wanna do RL on easy mode, here's what you do: 1) Use any setup that uses a PA rapier 2) Bring some Soul Stones, a Gum, and a Vase 3) Stay alive until you overload your OC 4) Proc PA 5) Use Gum and Vase 6) ??? 7) Profit
For extra lulz, bring an Infusion of Gaia along.
Umm you do know I only got 8 item slots right? I assume RL has around 120-150k HP on Normal and If I bring 2 Soul Stones, 1 Gum, 1 Vase, and 1 Gaia I only have 3 mana elixirs left. Do the Soul Stones stack OC? Can I get 300% OC with 2 Soul Stones added together? And even doing all that plus Gaia would that be enough to takeout RL? Or would it only do like 50% damage to his HP and I would have to finish off from there? I can't decide for 2W should I have the axe as the main hand or the rapier? Do I want to have bleed more often or is it better to have PA?
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Sep 25 2010, 00:02
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QUOTE(shiki666 @ Sep 24 2010, 14:36)  Do the Soul Stones stack OC?
Yes.
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Sep 25 2010, 00:07
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hgbdd
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cmal is right, although it's funny since usually I'm the one who recommends that stuff lol OC is added, let one stone expire before you use the other. Use 5 stones, wait for PA proc (a rapier with +3 turns), then use the gum+vase, cast the spirit attack, RL will die. (you don't need mana elixirs)
This post has been edited by cmdct: Sep 25 2010, 00:07
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