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Or you go tits to the wall crazy

love it, enjoy~ (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)

You need a lesson in reading comprehension. I don't believe I ever said anything about selling or buying tokens between players. It would be a system conversion; no trading going on.

Ahem.

Let me put it like this: (Pre-Tokenizer), the amount of tokens you got from mobs depended only on your level and scavenger - both not that hard to get to a decent point where the max isn't hugely better. So the amount of blood and chaos tokens was per killed monster was relatively similar for both level 300 and level 400. Once you reached the upper, unprofitable limit no amount of H@H or GP could improve your token/monster ratio. Tokenizer has huge impact on this - but not absolute, as it is still at most 4x. A guy with 130 mil in trainings and token 3 may need to kill 5x less mobs with guy with 10 mil in trainings and no tokenizer, not 30 times less, which your suggestion would cause. Or not at all, in fact, if he just exchanges the GP for tokens.

Others points I will not address - they rest on this one anyway.

Pay 2 Win.. what exactly? There is no PvP. How do you win?

Yeah their comment was boogling my mind as well. This isn't a PvP game.

Credit sinks help new players as it keeps inflation down. New players can also sell their GP that they can get for more credits. The lottery system has also put deflationary pressure on legendary equips and below by increasing supply.

Pay 2 Win.. what exactly?

I have exactly the same reaction when I read that!

Ahem.

Let me put it like this: (Pre-Tokenizer), the amount of tokens you got from mobs depended only on your level and scavenger - both not that hard to get to a decent point where the max isn't hugely better. So the amount of blood and chaos tokens was per killed monster was relatively similar for both level 300 and level 400. Once you reached the upper, unprofitable limit no amount of H@H or GP could improve your token/monster ratio. Tokenizer has huge impact on this - but not absolute, as it is still at most 4x. A guy with 130 mil in trainings and token 3 may need to kill 5x less mobs with guy with 10 mil in trainings and no tokenizer, not 30 times less, which your suggestion would cause. Or not at all, in fact, if he just exchanges the GP for tokens.

Others points I will not address - they rest on this one anyway.

cool story bro.

This post has been edited by buktore: Dec 25 2013, 15:52

Call it Freemium advantage then... or whatever those guys at the Apple/Google stores call where you spend real money to get boosts in their games.

Well, if it's comparable to clearing levels in Candy Crush Saga faster, I'm not seeing the problem.

FWIW, GPs trade at twice as many credits as before the lottery was introduced. While I may make some changes to the #2-#5 prizes, it's fulfilling its intended function, so don't expect there to be any fundamental changes. People who contribute to EH will have advantages in HV. People who contribute more will have higher advantages. Working as intended. You have quite a few yourself, considering your awards.

Exactly. So if you don't like the lottery, I suggest you pretend it's not there.

I'm not speaking for everybody, but some of us are complaining about the heavy reliance on the lottery for decent weapons. And if someone like StonyCat, who is HV rich (deservedly so), with maxed trainings, who plays a shit-ton of rounds, and yet still relies on the lottery for his own weapons, then doesn't that say something? And honestly, I don't care if he wins the main prize AND GP prizes daily; I just want to see decent drops when I play.

Yes, this will surely NOT widen the gap among rich and poor players, right? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

How? TTT is accessible to everyone, rich and poor, and great drops are the best equalizer in the game.

And yet everyone's so critical when the poor are complaining...life's unfair when it's about YOUR life, right?

That complaint thread is less about being poor than it is about his laziness and unwillingness to grind.


Deflationary pressure? A Mag!! Katalox Staff is going for 15m atm. Ask chosenuno how much he bought his staff for. I would like to know.

Well, if it's comparable to clearing levels in Candy Crush Saga faster, I'm not seeing the problem.

It's not a real problem per se. I can see the benefits of the system being a money sink, etc. It's just that in exchange for that, a lot of the not-rich players are gonna end up unhappy with how it's being done. Think of it like a Sim/Civ game; you have to keep the majority of your population happy somehow. (Well, the people can't really revolt in here, but you get the idea.)

You have quite a few yourself, considering your awards.

You wouldn't mind uhh.. boosting the older awards like you did with servers, would you?
You know, to keep up with the gp/credit/hath inflation and all that.

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That complaint thread is less about being poor than it is about his laziness and unwillingness to grind.

TBH the same can be said to everyone who's complaining about the lottery equips' quality.

Also, do you know some banned players lend their accounts to a certain player so he could grind more? So you're telling me that letting those with more GP to grind more times in the arena won't widen the gap?

Think of it like a Sim/Civ game; you have to keep the majority of your population happy somehow. (Well, the people can't really revolt in here, but you get the idea.)

I've played simcity 3000 quite a few times. The majority of my population weren't happy even though I've decreased all the tax rates to 0%.
And I always wondered: you don't need to pay tax, you have great public service coverage, the traffic's good, there are parks all over the city. So why in the hell are you still unhappy with that?

This post has been edited by varst: Dec 25 2013, 16:41

some of us are complaining about the heavy reliance on the lottery for decent weapons.

The lottery weapons are "good", but there's just one of them per day. You can't honestly expect the 50-60000 daily equipment drops to all be as good, and like I said, the lottery is just 5% of the total amount of Leg+ equipment.

You wouldn't mind uhh.. boosting the older awards like you did with servers, would you?
You know, to keep up with the gp/credit/hath inflation and all that.

People don't get more hath for the clients they ran last year. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

The new awards may possibly get a bit more than the old ones, but I'm not planning on changing the existing ones.

And yes, I've suggested raising the award's output before. Right now the reward's like a slap in the face to those who helped a lot during the past few years.

You have to be careful not to fall into the "policeman's salary problem"; too little reward and it feels like contributors are very under-appreciated which may drive some of them away, however too much will attract the wrong kind of people trying to make the toplists (and we all know where that leads).

Pay 2 Win.. what exactly?

You tell us; we still don't know what happens at level 500 or with that 50k hath perk...

There is no PvP.

The term P2W applies to PvE as well as players can be competitive in an indirect manner. Imagine if instead of the (moderately) hard work to get the Dovahkiin title you could just pay $5 to instantly have it; it would diminish the accomplishments of others. Granted, HV has little in terms real difficulty, end-game material, or a real achievement system (yet) so it just seems trivial at this time.

Personally I have no Problems with the Lottery so here 3 Suggestions:

[ ] change nothing
[ ] remove GP Prices so super rich people become poor faster
[ ] add Stony Blocker! This means the Winner can't buy Tickets in the next 3 days.

I wonder some people really believe that "if there was no StonyCat, I could get significantly higher chance to win the lottery!" (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

I have no offense, but to the people whining about same person always win:
By banning a person who win the prize for 2 days (or any N days), what does it change?
I don't know who is the richest one, so just let's say the 1st richest as StonyCat1, 2nd as StonyCat2, 3rd as StonyCat3, and so on.

First day StonyCat1 wins, so he's banned.
Second day StonyCat2 wins, so he's banned, too.
Third day StonyCat3 wins, so he's also banned.
And fourth day StonyCat1 returns. Now it's the time he wins again!

What's different from now?
Well, it is meaningful at least if you are StonyCat2 or any StonyCatN. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)

It's because the same people keep winning over and over again. That's what's killing the fun in this lottery.

How about putting some cooldown on winners like 7 days on first prize. 5 days on 2nd. Of course we have here face multi-accounts, but keep in mind that high level players probably are less willing to be banned. Anyway, the idea is to give chance to other people. Of course taking out all rich from such system is not possible, but still introduces some rotation.

That's what Cats Lover covered pretty much. You won something, OK enjoy your prize, but let others to win something too.

This post has been edited by HNTI: Dec 25 2013, 21:25

You could always place a Moogle Tax of x percentage on any winnings, like real world lotteries (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

After all Uncle Sam er TenB needs his piece of the pie (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Here's what I foresee it doing: People who actually have the GP won't put it in for trivial(arctic katana of the vampire) prices. However, will their market value be different from that? No. Other people who want it will put in GP resources until it matches the high market value for win odds.

The win list may change on them.

And for the thinks like Peerless estoc/staff of good stuffix....Under billion GP pot will be a dream. People will look back on the peerless redwood of destro and think "Damn, that was so easy to win".

@MSimm1: There already is, system takes 50% GP.

This post has been edited by Lement: Dec 25 2013, 21:52

They don't put GPs on these anyway. Check winners list for these (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif).

This post has been edited by HNTI: Dec 25 2013, 21:54

I think some of you miss original purpose of the lottery. It was not made to make people happy. It was made to be GP sink. Gonna be some kind of contradiction, to lock people with most GP from participating.
Edit: also, locking itself wont change a thing. While it only encourages multiaccounting, there is always legal way around. Lets say "Stony1" got locked from participating on day one. Now he gives 100k kGP to someone, adding xx hath for participating service. There are legal "proxy" auctions. You only gonna get legal "proxy" lottery.
Now are there any real suggestions to the problem?

This post has been edited by Wraithtouch: Dec 25 2013, 22:23

@MSimm1: There already is, system takes 50% GP.

The 50% is up front, I was referring to tax after the fact on the amount won by the 5 winners (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

I do think the Lottery is fun, who knows one day their might be a golden ticket sold and somebody will win the Chocolate Pony Factory (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

How about putting some cooldown on winners like 7 days on first prize. 5 days on 2nd. Of course we have here face multi-accounts, but keep in mind that high level players probably are less willing to be banned. Anyway, the idea is to give chance to other people. Of course taking out all rich from such system is not possible, but still introduces some rotation.

That's what Cats Lover covered pretty much. You won something, OK enjoy your prize, but let others to win something too.

What did he cover? Another stonycat - say stonycat2 will win even if original stonycat is banned forever on lottery, and whiners might not become the 'stonycat2' of course. Are you happy now by seeing that stonycat2, 3, 4 rotationally wins, for not only stonycat alone wins? (actually even original stony does not always win though) You will say then, 'now let's ban stonycat2, 3, 4, ... , ∞'? How long? Until you win the first prize?

Hide the number of total ticket sold and your win % chance and reveal it once the ticket selling closed.

There, more evil and more fun without having to change anything. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)

Evil and Fun~ great idea! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

People complained about the equips' quality in the lottery. Now that it's guaranteed to be good, people should be satisfied...right? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Who cares ? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)

Just go and get the end-game weapons in Lottery!

No Grinding! Happy life! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)



This post has been edited by gc00018: Dec 26 2013, 04:41