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The Lottery: Making the rich richer and the poor poorer, Changes need to come |
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Dec 24 2013, 17:37
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Laboq
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QUOTE(EsotericSatire @ Dec 24 2013, 16:57)  What do you mean by fairness?
1 person 1 ticket
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Dec 24 2013, 17:38
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Ichy
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QUOTE(Laboq @ Dec 24 2013, 17:37)  1 person 1 ticket
Then it is not a GP sink any more.
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Dec 24 2013, 17:45
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Laboq
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QUOTE(Ichy @ Dec 24 2013, 17:38)  Then it is not a GP sink any more.
He asked me about "fairness". That's quite a different question. Gp sink? Open the "Auction/Shop for moneybags" with peerless/legendary gears (or just rename "Lottery" to "Auction"). It will be the same system. Now tell me another excuse. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) This post has been edited by Laboq: Dec 24 2013, 18:00
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Dec 24 2013, 18:36
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varst
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QUOTE(Laboq @ Dec 24 2013, 23:45)  He asked me about "fairness". That's quite a different question. Gp sink? Open the "Auction/Shop for moneybags" with peerless/legendary gears (or just rename "Lottery" to "Auction"). It will be the same system. Now tell me another excuse. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) And why should Tenboro give equips away almost freely (if lottery's limited to 1 ticket per day) when he can get more from the auction/shop? What kind of logic are you trying to make here?
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Dec 24 2013, 18:38
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The entire "1 ticket per person" premise is retarded, since it would be a giant incentive to cheat with many accounts. And the cheaters would win. Every time.
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Dec 24 2013, 18:46
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Laboq
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QUOTE(Tenboro @ Dec 24 2013, 18:38)  And the cheaters would win. Every time. They will only win their ban! (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) Also, thanks! :3This post has been edited by Laboq: Dec 25 2013, 04:47
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Dec 25 2013, 03:46
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Dec 25 2013, 04:11
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QUOTE(buktore @ Dec 25 2013, 02:46)  ...  
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Dec 25 2013, 04:17
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J99814
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In real life lotteries, there are occasional consolation prizes of token amounts, so that people feel an immediate success, rather than a distant one.
I think it would be good if something similar would happen with this one - instead of giving you a ticket, the lottery could occasionally spit out 10 credits at random.
Maybe it could even have a slight odds of giving 1 hath - it would be one in a million, but the reward would make everyone feel good, just for participating!
This post has been edited by J99814: Dec 25 2013, 04:17
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Dec 25 2013, 04:27
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Zero Angel
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A first step to maybe satisfying the masses is to remove the GP rewards in the lottery and replacing it with something else.
Maybe change the GP prizes into stuff like: 2nd Place: 30 Blood tokens 3rd Place: 30 Chaos tokens 4th Place: 10 Crystal "Packs" 5th Place: 5 Crystal "Packs"
edit: or remove the crystal prizes and make them all tokens so they're all non-tradable, which further discourages spreading GP across multiple accounts.
Seeing the same old rich winners getting to recycle a part of their GP in the lottery everytime isn't boosting satisfaction/morale for 99% of the players.
This post has been edited by Rei-Tenshi: Dec 25 2013, 04:44
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Dec 25 2013, 04:42
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Set0
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i think lottery is funny , i got 2/4000 tickets ,and win the 10% gp (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)
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Dec 25 2013, 06:08
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gc00018
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QUOTE(treesloth16 @ Dec 24 2013, 11:18)  For Realz. I get no good weapon in like forever, either in DwD, TTT, TT, FSM, random. I am just saving up credits/hath to buy GP for when I see that Legendary Katalox staff of Destruction in the lottery.
I have never found a PXP 370+ weapon from grinding since I played HV (more than 1 year at least). But Lottery 2.0 has generated a lot since 5 day ago ~ (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/cool.gif) ..well.. I check it again..all are 370+.. I think give up grinding and save money for Lottery is a better way. Maybe one year later we no longer need to grind but just wait for Lottery bring everyone an end-game weapon~ (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) This post has been edited by gc00018: Dec 25 2013, 06:11
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Dec 25 2013, 06:11
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varst
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QUOTE(Rei-Tenshi @ Dec 25 2013, 10:27)  Seeing the same old rich winners getting to recycle a part of their GP in the lottery everytime isn't boosting satisfaction/morale for 99% of the players.
Well...that won't solve anything at all, but only to drive GP price up even further so normal players who don't upload/H@H would have a even harder time winning. You think someone with the resource of 100+ haths daily would really care about the recycling? QUOTE(gc00018 @ Dec 25 2013, 12:08)  Maybe one year later we no longer need to grind but just wait for Lottery bring everyone an end-game weapon~ (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) People complained about the equips' quality in the lottery. Now that it's guaranteed to be good, people should be satisfied...right? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) This post has been edited by varst: Dec 25 2013, 06:14
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Dec 25 2013, 06:22
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Zero Angel
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QUOTE(varst @ Dec 25 2013, 12:11)  Well...that won't solve anything at all, but only to drive GP price up even further so normal players who don't upload/H@H would have a even harder time winning.
You think someone with the resource of 100+ haths daily would really care about the recycling?
Well, its a lose-lose situation either way. Only the rich players have a decent chance of winning the good Legendaries and Peerless in the lottery. "Making the rich richer and the poor poorer" indeed. That's the sad reality of it.
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Dec 25 2013, 06:49
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Lement
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@Rei-Tenshi: Lottery wouldn't get many participants if it was just GP prizes.
Heh, and tbh as it is it is an opportunity for both ~poor(who can get high return per ticket if it is heavily tilted) and rich. Remove GP prizes, and the guy who has done more H@H for the site in the past year than next two guys in the all-time toplist put together will have even more GP comparatively, as not only others don't get GP to compete but GP becomes more scarce. (Which also makes him richer. And one such guy > over a thousand meh h@hers).
This post has been edited by Lement: Dec 25 2013, 06:52
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Dec 25 2013, 07:02
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buktore
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Hide the number of total ticket sold and your win % chance and reveal it once the ticket selling closed. There, more evil and more fun without having to change anything. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/cool.gif) This post has been edited by buktore: Dec 25 2013, 07:05
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Dec 25 2013, 07:04
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Oversoul
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And here I am, satisfied with just selling my GP off.
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Dec 25 2013, 07:08
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Zero Angel
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Honestly, I think the HV Lottery is just a bad idea overall. All it did was further widen the gap among rich and poor players.
Sure, it rewards the contributors to the site, but did these guys really need another advantage on top of the shit-ton of GP/credits/Hath they're already generating ?
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Dec 25 2013, 07:28
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Lement
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When you say it widens the gap between the rich and poor, do you mean to imply that the equipment generated is more valuable than the GP put in by all the players?
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Dec 25 2013, 07:44
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Zero Angel
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No, it means that the guys who are already rich enough and can generate their own hath by the 100s daily and can buy anything on the market are the same people winning the great items in the lottery.
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