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The Lottery: Making the rich richer and the poor poorer, Changes need to come |
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Dec 23 2013, 15:14
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Evil Scorpio
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QUOTE(Laboq @ Dec 23 2013, 17:01)  Blessed is the mind too small for doubt. That's the motto of your entire life. QUOTE(Laboq @ Dec 23 2013, 17:01)  Well, put your fasci uniform on and bring them to do it. Oh, wait, I forgot, those days're gone. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) . Nope, whiny losers were always despised by society. So those days will never be gone. QUOTE(Laboq @ Dec 23 2013, 17:01)  That's a value judgement which has no foundation. Try harder. No. That's a whole reason why this thread exist. And your bland denial only makes it more clear.
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Dec 23 2013, 15:34
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Laboq
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QUOTE(Evil Scorpio @ Dec 23 2013, 15:14)  Nope, whiny losers were always despised by part of totalitarian society.
FTFY QUOTE(Evil Scorpio @ Dec 23 2013, 15:14)  That's a whole reason why this thread exist.
This thread exists because of freedom of speech. And since I've already disclosed my point of view, I'm off now. Bye. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)
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Dec 23 2013, 15:38
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buktore
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It's not exactly envy that motivated people to whine about the lottery. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif) The reason why peoples are whinging about it is largely the same reason as those people who are defending it: it's the powerful, yet subtle ' urge' that lies deep within all of us... (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
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Dec 23 2013, 15:40
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varst
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QUOTE(buktore @ Dec 23 2013, 21:38)  It's not exactly envy that motivated people to whine about the lottery. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif) The reason why peoples are whinging about it is largely the same reason as those people who are defending it: it's the powerful, yet subtle ' urge' that lies deep within all of us... (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) Reproduction need? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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Dec 23 2013, 15:56
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Evil Scorpio
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QUOTE(Laboq @ Dec 23 2013, 17:34)  FTFY Nope, whiny losers is cancer of our society. They're despised by everyone. QUOTE(Laboq @ Dec 23 2013, 17:34)  This thread exists because of freedom of speech. And since I've already disclosed my point of view, I'm off now. Bye. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif) You're just running from discussion because you have nothing to say. Freedom of speech wasn't made for whining. And you have no point of view, you just trying to make excuse for your weakness and unwillingness to put some effort in anything. Typical child of modern age. Hooray, "evolution".
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Dec 24 2013, 08:21
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buktore
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If I have anything to complain about the lottery, it won't be about whether it's unfair, fair enough, or perhaps a bit too fair and et cetera — my complain would be that, to me, the current lottery is just too... 'timid', and is nowhere near EVIL enough as many people claimed or would like it to be, which in turn made the scheme, with the occasional drool-worthy prize and all that, feels rather bland and boring for many people to participate even though they may willing to and could actually afford to do so. To demonstrate my point: You know the lottery ain't doing the job well enough when people still made this kind of post in WTB! (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) QUOTE Please PM or MoogleMail me the equipment link. Budget infinite. In any case. I sure would love to be in Tenb position right now in regard to the whole lottery thing; with immense amount of power under his command and legions of clueless, mindless human-mice to play with in any way he pleases and as long as he like — That, right there, is much better than sex if you ask me! (IMG:[ bbs.pramool.com] http://bbs.pramool.com/webboard/pic/89.gif) This post has been edited by buktore: Dec 24 2013, 08:25
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Dec 24 2013, 09:29
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danixxx
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QUOTE(buktore @ Dec 24 2013, 09:21)  QUOTE Please PM or MoogleMail me the equipment link. Budget infinite.
The marketing bullshit is strong in this one. This post has been edited by danixxx: Dec 24 2013, 09:29
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Dec 24 2013, 11:58
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gc00018
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At least after 0.78, I don't need to search WTS for a better weapon, most of the top weapon will come from Lottery~ (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) Maybe there will be no need to grinding for weapon any more~ the weapon generated by Lottery are too good(Most pxp 370+, I have seen few in WTS or drop)~ (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) LotteryVerse is coming! This post has been edited by gc00018: Dec 24 2013, 12:01
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Dec 24 2013, 12:09
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Ichy
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This time I got more than 3 Tickets.
That Estoc will be mine!
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Dec 24 2013, 12:31
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Usagi =
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Win chance for the grand prize: 0 %
I just bought 3, am I doomed to fail?
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Dec 24 2013, 12:32
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Laboq
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QUOTE(Ichy @ Dec 24 2013, 12:09)  This time I got more than 3 Tickets.
That Estoc will be mine!
You hold 1 of 233977 sold tickets. Win chance for the grand prize: 0% (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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Dec 24 2013, 13:18
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treesloth
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QUOTE(gc00018 @ Dec 24 2013, 18:58)  At least after 0.78, I don't need to search WTS for a better weapon, most of the top weapon will come from Lottery~ (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) Maybe there will be no need to grinding for weapon any more~ the weapon generated by Lottery are too good(Most pxp 370+, I have seen few in WTS or drop)~ (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) LotteryVerse is coming! For Realz. I get no good weapon in like forever, either in DwD, TTT, TT, FSM, random. I am just saving up credits/hath to buy GP for when I see that Legendary Katalox staff of Destruction in the lottery.
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Dec 24 2013, 14:05
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Ichy
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QUOTE(treesloth16 @ Dec 24 2013, 13:18)  For Realz. I get no good weapon in like forever, either in DwD, TTT, TT, FSM, random. I am just saving up credits/hath to buy GP for when I see that Legendary Katalox staff of Destruction in the lottery.
I did not get a good weapon before the Lottery was added. Even when I was still playing a lot. Lottery is not at fault but drop rates.
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Dec 24 2013, 14:57
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Ichy
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Sadly it is only Arctic.
Peerless Ethereal Estoc of Slaughter when?
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Dec 24 2013, 15:08
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buktore
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Not that it matter: even if it has the Rainbow, Unicorn & Ponies suffix, you still can't hit shit anyway... (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)
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Dec 24 2013, 15:51
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jcullinane
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QUOTE(Ichy @ Dec 24 2013, 07:05)  I did not get a good weapon before the Lottery was added. Even when I was still playing a lot. Lottery is not at fault but drop rates.
Ichy's right. I don't recall any huge clammoring for a Lottery in lieu of fixing the many issues and game mechanics, so this is just a way to ignore the drops issue and also have people waste at the same time. I think I've gotten maybe 1 drop ever that is actually worth some real credits/game play value. Even with training. Lottery is a (for one reason) cover for bad drops just as Peerless is a way to cover for lackluster Legendaries. This post has been edited by jcullinane: Dec 24 2013, 15:52
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Dec 24 2013, 16:57
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EsotericSatire
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QUOTE(Laboq @ Dec 23 2013, 03:01)  That's a value judgement which has no foundation. Try harder.
What do you mean by fairness? There may not be distributive fairness, though arguably is as those that take the biggest risk have the highest chance of reward, but there is procedural fairness with the lottery. Rather than lotto, I'm selling my GP and enjoying the higher rate of credit return.
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Dec 24 2013, 17:05
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Ichy
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The Problem with HV and every other Loot based game is balance.
If you don't get anything it feels wrong and people start to complain. See HV or Diablo 3 for Example. If you get to much you will have BiS at level 300 and have nothing more to do. Sure you can still forge and collect Crystal but once you done gearing up thee is not much more desire to grind for me.
Back in times of EDB Bug it felt the best. (for mage) Phase was pretty rare but every time one dropped with the correct suffix it was a possible Upgrade and when you got one you actually felt stronger! And it was pretty much the best balanced in terms of time invested and gain (again for mage only lol) Sure mage was fuck OP in lower settings but who cares about them. Note back then we had harsh daily limits and if you are done you are done for today. You wont be able to play more no matter what. Also to pull off epic feats like oneshotting the Highest setting (which i was so close to ;_;) you had to put a shitload of effort into the game. Play a lot of Rounds and trade, get Damage perks.
whoops what was the Topic?
This post has been edited by Ichy: Dec 24 2013, 17:07
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