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post Sep 8 2013, 07:33
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QUOTE(varst @ Sep 8 2013, 00:57) *

You really don't need to explain/propose anything. Tenboro should be the one to worry about these things, not you.

This, and
QUOTE(deadFreak @ Sep 8 2013, 00:27) *
Because of this, I propose these solutions. Discard what I mentioned above here:

1. Hide all RAWs on this site and pin them for the fjords. Translations-only and everyone happy.
2. Auto-delete E-Hentai Galleries from Google in order to avoid any more DMCA letters.
3. Block all the website to the Japanese (the most extreme one).

1. You don't quite grasp the purpose of the fjords, for they are grand and majestic.
2. You mean Tenboro requesting Google to remove all results from google, then blocking E-Hentai and user galleries subdomains from future crawling? That's more drastic than the the third point, and would do far more harm to the site than the small subset of third parties wishing to do harm to the site. Also, you'd probably have to do the same for the other major search engines as well, which is more effort than it's worth.
3. Yeah no. See below in the remark about IP banning.

QUOTE(deadFreak @ Sep 8 2013, 00:27) *
Another thing, if my IP is blocked (Firefox tells me that this Web isn't redirecting properly), unblock me since I have not broken any rule, AFAIK.

I use firefox and have no such issues. If you were actually IP blocked, changing your browser would not help you in accessing the site. It could also be circumvented by changing your IP by several methods. Your account would be locked down and/or straight up banned, opposed to IP blocked (which only Tenboro can do and he would not be arsed to do it). (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

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post Sep 8 2013, 07:58
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I'm gonna ask all the people who threw shit against me: what would you feel if you had a doujin artist you like, and then you go to Comiket in order to buy his work and the artist himself rejects you for being a "foreigner, pirate and thief"? Stop and think about that.

Lol if that happened to you.
Prejudice and racism are a-ok in Japan so you either adapt or get a local to buy it for you.


I still don't get what you're whining about, anyone that thinks pirating is stealing is a fucking moron and should be ignored.
Keep doing what you're doing and ignore any and all DMCA/ISP letters, if you answer them you legitimize their delusions and then you're fucked and have to counter sue or risk being prosecuted(oppressed) by law enforcers who don't know their ass from their elbow just because some company wants to make an example of you and shove their "copyright" propaganda down everyone's throats.

Read this.
[falkvinge.net] http://falkvinge.net/2013/08/17/talking-ba...ng-is-stealing/
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post Sep 8 2013, 08:46
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QUOTE(varst @ Sep 7 2013, 23:57) *

You really don't need to explain/propose anything. Tenboro should be the one to worry about these things, not you.


It's up to Tenboro.

QUOTE(Pillowgirl @ Sep 8 2013, 00:58) *

Prejudice and racism are a-ok in Japan so you either adapt or get a local to buy it for you.
I still don't get what you're whining about, anyone that thinks pirating is stealing is a fucking moron and should be ignored.


As if I were to buy alone on a Comiket. Almost everyone there doesn't know a shit about English, so I have to look for a Japanese speaker in order to deal with them.

BTW, I never visited Japan.
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post Sep 8 2013, 09:18
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So basically you're upset/afraid that your scans get removed from a google search lol?

Unless Tenboro directly decides to put an author/group on the Do Not Upload list then you can upload whatever you want, within the rules of course.

Btw, did you know that 33.3% of our users are from Japan?

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post Sep 8 2013, 09:24
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QUOTE(Pillowgirl @ Sep 8 2013, 02:18) *

So basically you're upset/afraid that your scans get removed from a google search lol?

Unless Tenboro directly decides to put an author/group on the Do Not Upload list then you can upload whatever you want, within the rules of course.


No, and I don't care a fuck about Google. I'm concerned about the artists, not what Google wants to do with their website. Furthermore, I think that a percentage of E-Hentai's visits doesn't come from Google or any search engine, or I'm wrong?
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post Sep 8 2013, 09:43
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I found e-hentai.net twelve, almost thirteen years go through a search engine. While word of mouth gets around much faster now than it did then, I'd imagine the primary way the site is discovered for new users is still via search engine. In my locale this site is entry twelve and thirteen (only coincidence in relation to my first statement) when searching for "hentai", which is fairly significant considering over half of what's before it is rubbish. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Also, if you don't care what Google does, is that in conflict with your suggestion to have e-hentai removed from Google's search results, which requires Google's direct participation to do so? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)
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post Sep 8 2013, 12:50
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QUOTE(deadFreak @ Sep 8 2013, 06:27) *

Also, everyone knew the arrest of Korean people who worked in the scanlation scene and [www.animenewsnetwork.com] the recent arrest of the owner of a doujin-website which was profiting off of it. In this post I put four questions, which I quote:
In one of them I put it if there will be a "witch hunt" against all scanlations. Ladies and gentlemen, it's happening. Now with people sending these letters to Google, there is a war between artists and scanlations. Just look at the Google Transparency Report and see how many galleries of this website have been removed.


Those news article are from Japan and Korea. First of all, porn is forbidden in South(Don't even have to mention North)-Korea. The second one is logical since that person was from Japan.

I don't know where E-hentai is based in, but probably not Japan. Now I don't know a lot about copyright law or law in general, but I can say with certainty that you can't simply file a case against a foreign website or company in the country you reside in. You'd either have to hire someone to do it for you or travel to the country where the company in question is based. No sane artist will spend those shittons of money to remove one copy from one website, and they're not even guaranteed to actually win the case. Unless you know, you have way too much money anyway.

We have the DNP list if you want to remove something off E-hentai, big deal if we lose a couple of search results from google.
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post Sep 8 2013, 13:26
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QUOTE(deadFreak @ Sep 8 2013, 17:24) *

No, and I don't care a fuck about Google. I'm concerned about the artists, not what Google wants to do with their website. Furthermore, I think that a percentage of E-Hentai's visits doesn't come from Google or any search engine, or I'm wrong?

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post Sep 8 2013, 15:53
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This thread is like a decade late. More than a decade ago copyright holders started to enforce their rights internationally. About five years ago people were talking about doujin and manga translators being affected like fansubs. Its like someone waking up and realising that there was a millennium bug and panicking.


QUOTE(Pillowgirl @ Sep 7 2013, 19:58) *

I still don't get what you're whining about, anyone that thinks pirating is stealing is a fucking moron and should be ignored.



Mass copying is an indirect form of stealing or at least ignoring of intellectual property rights. Most people think it is okay because it doesn't get processed by the same moral calculations in our brains, when I say most I mean literally 70-90% of people in studies. Content providers that are smart can capitalise on the behaviour to build brand recognition though.

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post Sep 8 2013, 16:22
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QUOTE(EsotericSatire @ Sep 8 2013, 16:53) *

Mass copying is an indirect form of stealing or at least ignoring of intellectual property rights. Most people think it is okay because it doesn't get processed by the same moral calculations in our brains, when I say most I mean literally 70-90% of people in studies. Content providers that are smart can capitalise on the behaviour to build brand recognition though.


Now this is going from one ditch to another. Logically thinking, nobody should be saying that making copies is infringing on copyright. Although, making a copy, and saying that you are the author does infringe copyright, if it is a blatant lie.
Copying and distributing that material helps inform the public of that materials existence, which would benefit the author much more, if he/she has a donation system set up and, of course, if the work is actually good. If not, then it wouldn't sell anyway. There are many more benefits to this system, but that's way off topic.

Also, need citation on those studies, because, last time I checked, brain mapping was nowhere near following the calculation of logical information.

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post Sep 9 2013, 11:27
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QUOTE(cooldude2 @ Sep 8 2013, 04:22) *

Also, need citation on those studies, because, last time I checked, brain mapping was nowhere near following the calculation of logical information.


If only people had some sort of language to communicate ideas. I was semi trolling, but if you start a thread in the serious debate forum I'll post citations.
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post Sep 9 2013, 13:47
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On the copy pasted text Archives says hes going to the police about it.

Dunno if the police can help with this.
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post Sep 9 2013, 14:13
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He's going to the police to complain that foreigners are stealing his loli rape preggo doujins?
Man, I would love to see how that conversation goes.
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post Sep 9 2013, 16:16
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These blithering fools have no grounds to make legal claims against this site.
First of all they are not the copyright holders.
Second they're fans making money off other's copyrighted material.
Third they will never be able to raise a case. Doujin artists have no legal rights to the content they sell with the exception of original works and rare cases of the original author/artist making a doujin.
The base for their case is pure greed, other doujin artists know that they are not protected by any law.
These idiots probably know too, but they assume that others might not.
This is a scare tactic, do not fall for their tricks. It's Linda all over again.
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post Sep 9 2013, 16:28
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QUOTE(zarion @ Sep 9 2013, 06:16) *

First of all they are not the copyright holders.

They are. One of the few benefits of not having a third-party as your publisher.

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Second they're fans making money off other's copyrighted material.

The economic rights for a copyright holder in Japan do extend to derivative works but only in direct relation to the primary work (e.g. translations, medium/format shifts).

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Doujin artists have no legal rights to the content they sell

They do.
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post Sep 9 2013, 16:34
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Maximum Joe, content meaning fan doujinshi of non-pornographic works.
As defined in the site's search engine. Not self published original works.
ARCHIVES has no right whatsoever to any of the claims he's making.

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ARCHIVES has no right whatsoever to any of the claims he's making.

Yes he does, what you're saying has no relevance.
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post Sep 9 2013, 17:07
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How exactly can he make a fan work, sell it for profits without being the copyright holder, or original artist/author and still be in the right?
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post Sep 9 2013, 17:08
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The economic rights for a copyright holder in Japan do extend to derivative works but only in direct relation to the primary work (e.g. translations, medium/format shifts).

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post Sep 9 2013, 17:35
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More precisely: As long as the holder of the original copyright does not tell the artist to stop, it's legal.
And even if he did that, that would not make the redistribution any less illegal.

Edit: Not to mention saying "but someone else thought up those characters!!!" is fundamentally retarded. The artist still drew the actual doujin himself.

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