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14 6 Noihara Himari uses Nyakomimi Mode
14 7 Nyakomimi Mode crits you for 6310 piercing damage.

My max HP is 5490 and that's with cloak of the fallen up reducing all incoming damage to 25%.

That is insane

Wait till you reach around 280. It's just hilarious to see messages like "your spirit shield has absorbed 28356 of piercing damage". (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

I've been hit 36k with CotF active before. :mEh:

Wait till you reach around 280. It's just hilarious to see messages like "your spirit shield has absorbed 28356 of piercing damage". (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Does it possibly occur to either of you that if even under the best possible circumstances of only taking 1/4 damage and so on that if you can still get hit for more than your max HP in a single shot, that it might be a little unfair?

A fair game typically gives you the possibility of surviving 1 on 1 - even under a worst case scenario, even if it's just 0.1% :|


Perhaps something like having cloak of the fallen active guarantees that no one attack can reduce you below 1hp unless you're already on 1hp, or alternately below 25% of your base maximum HP?

It would still leave plenty of room open to be killed by subsequent attacks in the same round but it would help somewhat at least.


Mind you, that wouldn't fix the initial problem which is that the raw capabilities of high-end custom monsters in this patch is now just straight up bullshit to the point that monsters are getting comparable to players, so it's like 1vs10 PvP instead of PvE. A band-aid applied to a much bigger wound, if the comparison works for you.

I imagine that if you're decked out in full legendary gear with level 300+ or close enough that you wouldn't feel it too badly, but the power creep is there and does badly affect those of us who are mere lowly 200s with good but not great equipment that didn't cost 1m+ per piece of it.


Additional note:
Maybe right now you're okay with it, maybe right now you're not having too many problems with it, but a time will come when custom monsters work their way ever higher and eventually ones with 2000+ PL and stuffed to the gills with chaos tokens will appear and become commonplace that will humble even the best players. It's only a matter of time, what will you all do then?

This post has been edited by KCzz15: Jun 26 2012, 19:37

Does it possibly occur to either of you that if even under the best possible circumstances of only taking 1/4 damage and so on that if you can still get hit for more than your max HP in a single shot, that it might be a little unfair?

"This is a war, and we are the soldiers." ©

"This is a war, and we are the soldiers." ©

War offers the possibility of winning or at least survival, this is walking face first into a meat grinder.

"A strange game
The only winning move is not to play." ©

This is a game, at some point in the process fun is meant to be involved and by making that quote true it removes that important part of the game. I'd rather not have to go play chess instead.

This post has been edited by KCzz15: Jun 26 2012, 19:51

War offers the possibility of winning or at least survival, this is walking face first into a meat grinder.

"A strange game
The only winning move is not to play." ©

This is a game, at some point in the process fun is meant to be involved and by making that quote true it removes that important part of the game. I'd rather not have to go play chess instead.

If somebody can't comprehend the tough times in HV - there is always Solitaire in your Windows. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

If somebody can't comprehend the tough times in HV - there is always Solitaire in your Windows. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Or pinba-- dammit. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/anime_cry.gif)

Or pinba-- dammit. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/anime_cry.gif)

3D Space Cadet? I love that game. And I was pissed off when I've found out there is no pinball on 7even. But I've got Windows XP version and it works perfectly on Win 7. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Maybe right now you're okay with it, maybe right now you're not having too many problems with it, but a time will come when custom monsters work their way ever higher and eventually ones with 2000+ PL and stuffed to the gills with chaos tokens will appear and become commonplace that will humble even the best players. It's only a matter of time, what will you all do then?

Historically this isn't close to as tough as HV has been. In the past versions of HV when it was unambiguously clear that things were out of whack, it got fixed.

If it's too hard for you, play on the Easy setting.

Well yeah, but I think mages got hit hardest. They're used to the relatively easier/faster style of gameplay and is shocked with the patch.

This post has been edited by ChosenUno: Jun 27 2012, 07:26

Faster style yes. I can't really comment on easier style since I've played as a mage since the limited beta.

I think that buktore got it right by saying that now you need to be a lot more deliberate about what you're doing and why. Particularly in the last few releases, effective maging only required Alt-1 and click. I'm sure there's a similar way of doing brainless melee as well. That makes for a brutal learning curve.

Faster style yes. I can't really comment on easier style since I've played as a mage since the limited beta.

I think that buktore got it right by saying that now you need to be a lot more deliberate about what you're doing and why. Particularly in the last few releases, effective maging only required Alt-1 and click. I'm sure there's a similar way of doing brainless melee as well. That makes for a brutal learning curve.

I haven't notice much difference in melee-ing to be honest. It's still the same: Load up full mit plates, have spirit shield on, and piano the number keys. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Maging used to be faster and even more brainless, but it has gotten significantly worse this patch. I haven't heard of people using deprecating spells on custom mobs before this patch dropped, so...

I haven't heard of people using deprecating spells on custom mobs before this patch dropped, so...

Probably because we never had Boss-class Normal mobs before. Actually, the Bosses are way easier than some of the most 'roided out Customs.

I think Tenboro might have derped a little on testing the values for the Chaos stat upgrades. Fighting the three Dragons for one round and only one round at the end of a single arena is vastly different from fighting several similar monsters every round everywhere. In the arena, we only have to worry about that one round and we can go all out. In a regular battle series, we have to consider the next round and the round after that and the one after that.

Afer some 2 weeks of playing this abomination I can say this:

This is my experience on Heroic.

Normal is still normal, thought it does take a few more potions as well.

Monsters got freaking tough. To make sure I don't die in the middle of any arena, because even 1 monster can have your ass at any time (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) I have to permanently use Spirit Shield, Haste, Shadow Vail and Regen2, with occasional Heartseeker, X-nerf, Protection and a lot of Cure. I can't imagine what people do on lower levels without spark of life or Spirit Shield, I guess they just die when shit happens (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
Thanks to this:
my Mana consumption has trippled, if not more,
the number of rounds I can do has gone the opposit way, and much more,
which means less drops and potions to use (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)
also less equipment and stuff to sell, which is now worthless in the shop anyway (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
The game now literaly drags and because it is not the main part of my life, I had to limit it to a few Hourlies and like first 8 arenas, the rest has become just a dream (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)






HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/anime_cry.gif)

2 21 You have been defeated.
2 20 Routes crits you for 1902 crushing damage.
2 19 Your spirit shield absorbs 617 points of damage from the attack into 7.36 points of spirit damage.
2 18 You parry the attack from Bunko.
2 17 Smaug hits you for 1432 piercing damage.
2 16 You counter Need0213 for 1337 points of piercing damage.
2 15 You block the attack from Need0213.
2 14 You evade the attack from Portgas D Ace.
2 13 Wretched Egg crits you for 1902 crushing damage.
2 12 Your spirit shield absorbs 265 points of damage from the attack into 3.15 points of spirit damage.
2 11 You counter Cold Handed Ho for 3037 points of piercing damage.
2 10 You block the attack from Cold Handed Ho.
2 9 Asuku Teru hits you for 1631 piercing damage.
2 8 Lemon Lime gains the effect Stunned.
2 7 You counter Lemon Lime for 1314 points of piercing damage.
2 6 You parry the attack from Lemon Lime.
2 5 Eila Ilmatar Juutilainen 501st crits you for 1902 piercing damage.
2 4 Your spirit shield absorbs 2801 points of damage from the attack into 33.38 points of spirit damage.
2 3 You gain the effect Regen II.
2 2 You cast Regen II.
2 1 You gain 0.02 points of curative magic proficiency.
1 3 You gain the effect Channeling.
1 2 You gain the effect Spirit Shield.
1 1 You cast Spirit Shield.

This post has been edited by Lunatic2: Jun 27 2012, 11:03

The game now literaly drags and because it is not the main part of my life, I had to limit it to a few Hourlies and like first 8 arenas, the rest has become just a dream

This. Few hourlies, few arenas. Yep.

Afer some 2 weeks of playing this abomination I can say this:

This is my experience on Heroic.

Normal is still normal, thought it does take a few more potions as well.

Monsters got freaking tough. To make sure I don't die in the middle of any arena, because even 1 monster can have your ass at any time (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) I have to permanently use Spirit Shield, Haste, Shadow Vail and Regen2, with occasional Heartseeker, X-nerf, Protection and a lot of Cure. I can't imagine what people do on lower levels without spark of life or Spirit Shield, I guess they just die when shit happens (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
Thanks to this:
my Mana consumption has trippled, if not more,
the number of rounds I can do has gone the opposit way, and much more,
which means less drops and potions to use (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)
also less equipment and stuff to sell, which is now worthless in the shop anyway (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
The game now literaly drags and because it is not the main part of my life, I had to limit it to a few Hourlies and like first 8 arenas, the rest has become just a dream (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/anime_cry.gif)

2 21 You have been defeated.
2 20 Routes crits you for 1902 crushing damage.
2 19 Your spirit shield absorbs 617 points of damage from the attack into 7.36 points of spirit damage.
2 18 You parry the attack from Bunko.
2 17 Smaug hits you for 1432 piercing damage.
2 16 You counter Need0213 for 1337 points of piercing damage.
2 15 You block the attack from Need0213.
2 14 You evade the attack from Portgas D Ace.
2 13 Wretched Egg crits you for 1902 crushing damage.
2 12 Your spirit shield absorbs 265 points of damage from the attack into 3.15 points of spirit damage.
2 11 You counter Cold Handed Ho for 3037 points of piercing damage.
2 10 You block the attack from Cold Handed Ho.
2 9 Asuku Teru hits you for 1631 piercing damage.
2 8 Lemon Lime gains the effect Stunned.
2 7 You counter Lemon Lime for 1314 points of piercing damage.
2 6 You parry the attack from Lemon Lime.
2 5 Eila Ilmatar Juutilainen 501st crits you for 1902 piercing damage.
2 4 Your spirit shield absorbs 2801 points of damage from the attack into 33.38 points of spirit damage.
2 3 You gain the effect Regen II.
2 2 You cast Regen II.
2 1 You gain 0.02 points of curative magic proficiency.
1 3 You gain the effect Channeling.
1 2 You gain the effect Spirit Shield.
1 1 You cast Spirit Shield.

I see you're doing 1H+S. That's where your problem is.

I see you're doing 1H+S. That's where your problem is.

My shield has 30% block. without it I feel kinda naked. Got any better suggestions?

BTW: 3 hourlies, each time only reward Godly Mana Potions. Do I feel an update coming (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

I think this patch is quite an improvement, because it makes the game more fun.

There's still the simple truth: have potion = live // out of potions = death. But battling has become less braindead, now you have to actually think before you click.

Still, smartness is mostly needed outside of battle (in choice of stats and such). I think more rewards for clever combat actions would be fun. Things like focus giving mana sound good but i haven't been able to use that one, probably due to my play style. I don't have specific suggestion though.

BTW i play mage with crappy equipment, IWBTH only. I wonder if melee would be more fun for me?

My shield has 30% block. without it I feel kinda naked. Got any better suggestions?

That's a nice Block. Is your shield a buckler? You should check out some of the auctions to see if you can get a better one. Are you using cloth, light or heavy armor?

Damned (again) ! From arena (hard mode), with 54% mitigation, protection cast and so, i took from a normal mob an incredible punch in my face : 18,5k. This is going insane !

My shield has 30% block. without it I feel kinda naked. Got any better suggestions?

BTW: 3 hourlies, each time only reward Godly Mana Potions. Do I feel an update coming (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

Go full heavy + 2H.

The simple problem with 1H+S is that sure, you have the block, but that doesn't mean shit. You kill mobs way too slowly --> they hit you more often --> they special you more often --> you die faster.