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post Apr 12 2012, 20:54
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My guess would be as some has mentioned already: The prayers may have had an effect on how chemicals are distributed trough our bodies, helping us fight the cancer. Though; it's probably more of how our brains are being convinced to do something (placebo effect), than some actual divine aid.
Regrowing lost limbs can't be done this way, as our body mechanisms aren't built that way. Some other animal species (including some lizards) got this convenience. Genetic manipulation/evolution still got a way to go for us to have such a convenience.
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post Apr 12 2012, 21:01
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Ask him directly.
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post Apr 12 2012, 21:16
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Humans are overrated. Lizards are the shit. Let's all evolve into raptors. And then the final step : God status. Raptor Jesus. Only for Christians, though, so that would be obvious discrimination.

Enough with the jesting. Allow me to take a different path than my own POV and follow the OP's...

Let us assume your local god is able to cure cancer. Let us think a bit about how that would work.

I think Gakre hit the right spot about the placebo effect - I actually read the following part as divine AIDS and got confused for a minute. I don't think your local god can mess with chemicals because they didn't exist in the first place, at least most religions I know of don't mention meds in the books. Maybe there is some kind of chemotheism somewhere in the world, but I have yet to hear about it. Pillbug ? Yes. Pillgod ? Unlikely.

So, why won't your local god heal amputees ? Well, maybe because they can't. Regrowing limbs is something the human body is unable to do in the first place. You can recover from minor damage to body parts, but you cannot regrow limbs. Maybe your local god is able to cure cancer because they know how the human brain works and maybe they even know what caused it in the first place.

All of the above obviously is pure speculation since I do not believe in any of this.
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post Apr 12 2012, 21:25
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QUOTE(Mika Kurogane @ Apr 13 2012, 03:16) *
I actually read the following part as divine AIDS.

Some people like to argument that God made AIDS to get rid of gay men, as they got a higher rate of HIV infections. I guess you could say from the same argument: God love lesbians more than straight people.
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post Apr 12 2012, 21:48
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If that was true, I'd become a follower straight away.

I believe the HIV infection rate theory is partly due to the fact that men have less holes to pick from. Especially the worst one, which is often used as the primary target.

The divine correlation part is highly unlikely, though.
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post Apr 12 2012, 23:30
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QUOTE(Nyoroner @ Apr 3 2012, 05:56) *

If you pray to God with enough faith, he will heal people such as terminally ill cancer patients. So why won't he heal the amputees? Does he discrimnate against certain groups of ailing people?


Not sure if trolling, or stupid.

A persons imagination cannot heal, nor interact with things in the real world.
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post Apr 12 2012, 23:33
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QUOTE(Gakre @ Apr 12 2012, 15:25) *

Some people like to argument that God made AIDS to get rid of gay men, as they got a higher rate of HIV infections.

God must obviously hate black people, too, there's a ton of AIDS in Africa. But who could blame Him? Or maybe He gave them AIDS so that His good little white sheeps can do good deeds by helping the poor sick Africans. You know how them good little Christians are all about helping the sick and the poor and the needy and shit and an entire continent of them is like a salvation grocery store.
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post Apr 12 2012, 23:56
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QUOTE(derpymal @ Apr 13 2012, 00:33) *

God must obviously hate black people, too, there's a ton of AIDS in Africa. But who could blame Him? Or maybe He gave them AIDS so that His good little white sheeps can do good deeds by helping the poor sick Africans. You know how them good little Christians are all about helping the sick and the poor and the needy and shit and an entire continent of them is like a salvation grocery store.


Depends on which part of Africa you are talking about. I suppose you mean the "poor" parts because when AIDS is reported in Africa the focus is predominately on the poorer parts. However HIV is easily transmitted in any society where blood swapping takes place on a frequent basis. Including but not limited too, people injecting heroin. Which typically tends to happen in western society, you know, like ours.

The amount of heroin users at risk from, or already infected with HIV is the same as in Africa, only people are less sympathetic to their plight because being born with HIV is something you have no control over, whereas injecting with heroin is seen as self inflicted. People tend to be less kind regarding self inflicted injuries...No idea why. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

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post Apr 13 2012, 05:16
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QUOTE(tokendood @ Apr 12 2012, 23:30) *
Not sure if trolling, or stupid.
Both.

But we can still get a serious debate out of this kind of bullshit.
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post Apr 13 2012, 05:22
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bunneh please.
God is sadic, it says even in the Bible.
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post Apr 13 2012, 05:42
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Actually, I think the primary reason making God a sadist is because he created mankind. Or does that make him a masochist instead ?

(Theists, sorry if your religion does not involve that. Pretty sure almost all of them say their local god is the one who started all that shit, but I may be wrong.)

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post Apr 13 2012, 06:16
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It's time.

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post Apr 13 2012, 10:08
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QUOTE(Mika Kurogane @ Apr 13 2012, 13:42) *

Actually, I think the primary reason making God a sadist is because he created mankind. Or does that make him a masochist instead ?

No it just makes him plain fucking evil. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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post Apr 13 2012, 11:20
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@zeh_lp : imgur is full of shit and won't load until you copipe the URL in your address bar, use lulzimg instead. Just a suggestion, maybe it actually works for other people.

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post Apr 13 2012, 16:30
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Because, like me, he finds amputees sexually arousing.

But on a more serious, and possibly less redundant, note it's because he only helps those who help themselves.

Which is a fancy way of saying God don't do shit for nobody no how.
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QUOTE(Nyoroner @ Apr 3 2012, 03:56) *

If you pray to God with enough faith, he will heal people such as terminally ill cancer patients. So why won't he heal the amputees? Does he discrimnate against certain groups of ailing people?

i) No he won't, it's just coincidence.
ii) Because he likes a laugh as much as the next man.
iii) No, God hates all his children equally.
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post Apr 14 2012, 02:47
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Individual bugfixes are his lowest priority.
Core system upgrades, new features, and donators get his full attention.

It's all about coin.
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post Apr 14 2012, 07:44
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QUOTE(radixius @ Apr 13 2012, 16:30) *
Because, like me, he finds amputees sexually arousing.
Amputees, fuck yeah.
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But on a more serious, and possibly less redundant, note it's because he only helps those who help themselves.

Which is a fancy way of saying God don't do shit for nobody no how.
I wish that was how it worked. Why would a creator fix their defects if they won't learn from it ? If I recall correctly, there are two sayings in Japanese that mean one only thinks of God when one needs them. Both of them literally mean "urgent prayer in times of pain/trouble". Basically, bigots can't take care of their own lives unless they depend on a religion. Religion as shelter.
QUOTE(Projectgeo @ Apr 14 2012, 02:47) *
Individual bugfixes are his lowest priority.
Core system upgrades, new features, and donators get his full attention.
I call bullshit on this, some of those who claimed about this miracle shit never donated a single penny, either because they were scrooges or tramps.

The whole miracle thing is stumping if you actually believe in it. I don't.

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post Apr 15 2012, 17:48
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QUOTE(Mika Kurogane @ Apr 13 2012, 06:16) *

Both.

But we can still get a serious debate out of this kind of bullshit.


Well you asked for a serious debate and I can respect that.

In my opinion if god existed, he certainly didn't create the so called rules that many religions live by. He would have no reason too.

If I created a robot to fly, then it can fly. If I didn't want it to fly, I would remove it's abilty to fly. I would not tell it to not fly or when it perishes I will forever punish it because that is redundant, I am the almighty creator, I gave it those wings and I can take them away. I can also program it not to fly too, which again is easier and more direct that telling it not to fly and then 'watching over it' to ensure it doesn't fly.

The problem with most religions is that they all claim to be the word of god or the creator or whatever. But none of them explain their rules or the purpose of them. Only that you must follow the rules or bad things happen.

This blurs the line between god & religion and therefore, not surprisingly it is common to associate the two as one & the same.

As for the topic itself, let us use the scenario above and assume that a god of kinds does exist. We can surmise the reason he doesn't heal amputees is the same reason he doesn't bring your dinner back to life, on your plate, before you eat it. That missing limb can sustain life. The cycle of life is that death promotes new life. Every day we shed 'dead skin', as we are constantly dying and trying to resist losing the fight to death. Those dead skin cells can feed billions of bacteria and the life cycle carries on from their.
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post Apr 16 2012, 10:24
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I'm tired of believers not being able to put a good rational argument (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) Let's try it.

All these discussions about God vs rational thinking boil down to a simple statement: belief in God isn't logical. God as described by the Bible can't exist if the rules of logic are valid.

But are they valid? Do we have a good enough understanding of how logic works, or do we just believe it?

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QUOTE(tokendood @ Apr 15 2012, 17:48) *

In my opinion if god existed, he certainly didn't create the so called rules that many religions live by. He would have no reason too.
Why do you think you can comprehend god's mind well enough to understand his reasoning and his logic? We're only human, we can't comprehend the rules of probability, which look unintuitive to us and our intuition frequently gives wrong answers to probability-based questions, because our minds aren't built to process probability well. There can be laws, details and distinctions in logic we don't see, and we don't know we don't see them, much like Netwon's law of gravity seemed an obvious idea before Einstein came around.

QUOTE(tokendood @ Apr 15 2012, 17:48) *
If I created a robot to fly, then it can fly. If I didn't want it to fly, I would remove it's abilty to fly. I would not tell it to not fly or when it perishes I will forever punish it because that is redundant, I am the almighty creator, I gave it those wings and I can take them away. I can also program it not to fly too, which again is easier and more direct that telling it not to fly and then 'watching over it' to ensure it doesn't fly.
Unless there was a good reason for it and we just can't see it.

QUOTE(tokendood @ Apr 15 2012, 17:48) *
The problem with most religions is that they all claim to be the word of god or the creator or whatever. But none of them explain their rules or the purpose of them. Only that you must follow the rules or bad things happen.
The problem with words of gods is that they're dumbed down for comprehension of stupid nomadic tribe members, or similar. Why is there an assumption that his purpose was sincere and his words reflect his thoughts/feelings/whatever his basis for actions is?

QUOTE(tokendood @ Apr 15 2012, 17:48) *
As for the topic itself, let us use the scenario above and assume that a god of kinds does exist. We can surmise the reason he doesn't heal amputees is the same reason he doesn't bring your dinner back to life, on your plate, before you eat it. That missing limb can sustain life. The cycle of life is that death promotes new life. Every day we shed 'dead skin', as we are constantly dying and trying to resist losing the fight to death. Those dead skin cells can feed billions of bacteria and the life cycle carries on from their.
That might be. But we really don't have enough information to judge, or omniscient and omnipotent brains to comprehend. We probably don't even have any idea how we can't have any idea why it ultimately makes sense.

There is a good question floating around: "Can God make a rock big enough so that he won't be able to lift it?". And the believer's answer no one ever seems to give would be, in my opinion: "Of course he can, he would make this rock, he wouldn't be able to lift it, he would lift it anyway, but you wouldn't want it because he might bend one of the laws of your logic out of shape in the process".
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