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I'd like to see what player levels would be now if IWBTH and exp from player monsters was never added.

Mine would be the same, maybe take a level or two. :awesomeface:

I have crap melee proficiencies and attributes skewed heavily in favor of mage, and I can easily tell melee is too OP with skills, power gems, and HP/MP/SP regen weapon types. They afford melee almost all the advantages of a mage without the crushing disadvantage of poor damage mitigation. So you sacrifice playing speed slightly in favor of a massive increase in survivability and still complain about melee and mage being unbalanced? They are unbalanced, but only because mage has none of the melee advantages of rapid use 100% accuracy AoE skills, insta-kill skills under cetain conditions regardless of enemy health, Penetrated Armor, Stun, massive Bleed damage, tank mitigation, and even huge amounts of Block should you choose shield armor and/or a shield.

Mage's one huge advantage, killing everything before they can attack on low difficulties, has been completely removed with the latest HP mod. High difficulties had already been much slower for mage since the repeated EDB nerfs, which is why no mage players bother with sustained play above Normal-Heroic range anymore. Meanwhile, the good melee players cruise along on IWBTH, yet, Tenboro intends to crap on mage further by making magic AoE work like 2H Domino Strikes.

That's why I'm working on switching from mage back to melee. Oh, did I mention I have the best staff in the game too?

Chilling story, Sire.


Actually I was about to press "add reply" button instantly but then I took an arro~
Nvm.

1. Melee is too op with "skills"
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As a melee I can hereby inform you that personally I prefer slapping enemies in Spirit mode over using skills that cost Overcharge. "OP Skills" are only viable in RoB. And yes, they hit for quite a lot, especially DW-combo ones, almost as hard as holy-mage Banish spam vs FSM. Owait~
2. Power gems.
Dude.
3. HP/MP/SP regen weapons.
Seriously?
Vampire - not viable. Unreliable proc (25%, seriously?) that provides the wielder with two times less healing that Regen2 does every single turn. Lolz.
Illithid - not viable from my POV. If you're out of mana in arena AND you already used up all your mana potions - you are doing it wrong. Even I can make it to 50/100 Schoolgirl run on IWBTH (typical exp farm) using 3-4 pots out of 12 available.
Banshee - Dude. Duuuude...
4. Sacrificing playing speed "slightly" for the cost of...
Slightly, guise. Slightly.
I personally had to whack FSM 280+ times when I was melee, Normal version. Same version, Holy mage, next to zero proficiencies: 70+ Banish casts.
D00de.
5. ...mitigation.
Ah yes, Reapers.©
I have a set of crappy phases as a holy mage. I also have my decent set of shadies as a 2H melee. I must state that my Cloth Proficiency pretty much sucks.
My mage set phys. mitigation equals 39.9%
My 2H set phys. mitigation equals 47.8%
My Kevlar full-Protection set mitigation equals 57.9%
Dude?
6. Rapid use 100% acc skills
...which are on 10 turns CD, but who cares?
But still, I have to admit that these skills are indeed very powerful.
7. This must be quoted completely: "...insta-kill skills under cetain conditions regardless of enemy health, Penetrated Armor, Stun, massive Bleed damage, tank mitigation, and even huge amounts of Block should you choose shield armor and/or a shield".
Insta-kills: TEACH ME, SENSEI, I AM IN DIRE NEED OF THIS MASTERY!
ARP, Stun, Bleed: All-in-one. All you need is Fine Estoc-designed Mace of Scythery. And an Ethereal one, please. Yeah, and a 0.5 Cola. Thank you.
Tank mitigation: read above
Huge amounts of block: ...excuse me, Sir, may I have the Fine One-handed Estoc-designed Mace of Scythery instead please? And another Cola please.
8. Mages getting nerfed, AOE getting revamped.
*switches to Naga-type laughter*: A-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA A-A-A-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA~

<3

What War? It is just the same 3 Melee players keep complaining (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

What War? It is just our only 3 Melee players keep complaining (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

This post has been edited by Mi-Ala Starbreeze: Feb 12 2012, 09:02

@Mi-Ala
Just my view.

Mages generally are better at lower difficulty, when they can 1-2 shot everything and progress much faster than melees.
However, melees do have an advantage; while mages have to rely on those mana potions for survival, melees don't have that limit. Thus melees are much better playing in more difficult arenas.

What you and Hito said can be true at the same time;

Melee's skill did get better compared to mages' spells when you're comparing that in high difficulties.
First of all you don't miss; second, there's useul proc; and finally, you don't need mana to use your skills.

However, you're also correct that melee's too slow when playing in normal difficulty.
And you don't need that much mitigation when playing in normal.

Am I doing it wrong, too low a level to make it work, or does my equipment just suck? I'm level 94 and can't get to round 20 on Hell most of the time.

2H melee with this and these:

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#5

Whine


Whine


Whine

Not viable? Yet there are some melee players on cruise control on IWBTH? Mages don't play high difficulties anymore not because they can't but because it takes an hour to clear 20 rounds without burning through a stack of godly mana.

However, you're also correct that melee's too slow when playing in normal difficulty.

Hardly. I have 2H proficiency less than half of my level and Shatter Strike is a already a free 1shot every other round on normal. The only reason its slow is because skills don't have hotkeys.

@MizuhoChan

Though I think it's better to pick a slaughter mace/scythe, yours won't be a great problem.

Pick more plate of protection with high physical mitigation to start.
Protection suffix is much better at your level.

Hardly. I have 2H proficiency less than half of my level and Shatter Strike is a already a free 1shot every other round on normal. The only reason its slow is because skills don't have hotkeys.

I do agree shatter strike is good, but still you need to get OC, and that can be quite annoying...(as I recently tried some meleeing)

It's like a vintage car; the engine fails every 5 minutes, and you need 10 minutes to restart the engine.
I like using those OC as damage boost though.

I do agree shatter strike is good, but still you need to get OC, and that can be quite annoying...(as I recently tried some meleeing)

It's like a vintage car; the engine fails every 5 minutes, and you need 10 minutes to restart the engine.
I like using those OC as damage boost though.

All OC tanks to 280% make it pretty easy to maintain the charge for chaining the skill every 10 turns. If there were a hotkey, it would make melee faster than mage even on low difficulties.

Theres a script that can be used as a hotkey

Damn. I was hoping for a stealth Monster HP fix along with the Downtime (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/anime_cry.gif)

that would have been a nice surprise

Mages

Mages

Mages

Huttburt?
K.

Mages' tears are delicious. And even more delicious when I think about their attitude back when their class was absurdly overpowered compared to anything else.

This post has been edited by Mi-Ala Starbreeze: Feb 12 2012, 17:07

D'awww... Mi and Hito looks so cute together when they're arguing)) (IMG:[i2.lulzimg.com] http://i2.lulzimg.com/db3dda69a8.gif)

This post has been edited by Evil Scorpio: Feb 12 2012, 17:11

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Shouldn't that pic say "From this point on, all your opinions are REJECTED! Level +300 mages know your place"

Shouldn't that pic say "From this point on, all your opinions are REJECTED! Level +300 mages know your place"

Then Tenb should have posted it (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

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So this went from patch notes to feedback to ideas to another comparison between mages and melee right ?

I've seen this before, except it was Ret versus FDK and the entire discussion is still on going with eternal lists of pro's and con's on both sides, and i'm fairly sure it will never ever stop.

Point being there's benefits and losses to both sides, pick whatever works, work with it, stop saying it doesn't work. (though granted, the OC +damage bonus removal is the worst imo)

So this went from patch notes to feedback to ideas to another comparison between mages and melee right ?

I've seen this before, except it was Ret versus FDK and the entire discussion is still on going with eternal lists of pro's and con's on both sides, and i'm fairly sure it will never ever stop.

Point being there's benefits and losses to both sides, pick whatever works, work with it, stop saying it doesn't work. (though granted, the OC +damage bonus removal is the worst imo)

Someone make soul stones useful again. Like turning the hverse player into diablo or something.