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Beating Dance With Dragons on BT/IWBTH!, As everybody want to have a super-special title |
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Dec 30 2011, 13:10
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4EverLost
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QUOTE(Bunko @ Dec 30 2011, 10:12)  I've tried all kinds of stuff, but it seems pretty impossible for a melee fighter to do this. So... 1) What spells do you mages autocast when you go there ? 2) How on earth do you survive wearing cloth ? Since I can't do it melee, I've gotta try it maging.
1) 99% of the time I auto cast shadow/haste (only have 2) but at the start I cast AF, absorb, protection, spark, regen II. Casting absorb/protection will often get me channeling for a free cast of regen II. 2) mitigation, evade, parry & weaken/bewilder you can always add a scroll of shadows QUOTE(Loli connnnn @ Dec 30 2011, 10:15)  (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/anime_cry.gif) My staff got only 28%/3 Want to buy a good one but still nothing after months search at WTS (high MDB with high proc..) Oops...magnet, when should I use it? Only for dragons or...? Is lv1 enough? should I max it out? Doing more damage isn't always going to keep you alive longer. I use redwood when doing those arenas (got a lot of them), the high ET lets me doing them without using many pots. Using magnet on the final round is a must. On lower rounds I found I had a problem using slow+magnet when trying to also ET. I got too many hits while not gaining any mana. It works fine when just casting attack spells but when I want to ET I don't like it. QUOTE(Loli connnnn @ Dec 30 2011, 10:22)  Nobody is selling godly goodies (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/anime_cry.gif) Hmm.. according ehwiki Unable to evade...and also resist...? What kind of godly goodies are you looking for? I've got 50% 3t redwoods
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Jan 9 2012, 16:04
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Loli connnnn
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Hell! Finally I bet this after 12 hours
A word to those followers : you MUST keep SOL on after lv75 (or even 49), or you'll cry just coz you're unlucky.
SOL saved me 2 times from all mobs hits me!
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Jan 9 2012, 21:26
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Ballistic9
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Grats (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) 12 hours though @_@ I shoulda waited until I had IA4 for Spark, woulda saved me a lot of mana regen time. Didn't think about using Infusions at the end either. Also shoulda brought an extra Spirit Elixir or two so I wouldn't have to regen SP at all. Fights probably go quicker with maxed OC (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)
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Jan 9 2012, 21:48
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rpgman1
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Wish I can attempt this, but it'll be a few years before that happens. Seems that mages are the way to go in the Arena at higher levels due to their numerous spells and killing mobs quickly before retaliation. Being melee is useless then to attempt Dance with Dragons on BT/IWBTH?
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Jan 9 2012, 22:16
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Ichy
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Last time i tried I ran away after beating one Schoolgirl (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)
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Jan 9 2012, 22:47
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4EverLost
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QUOTE(Ballistic9 @ Jan 9 2012, 19:26)  Grats (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) 12 hours though @_@ I shoulda waited until I had IA4 for Spark, woulda saved me a lot of mana regen time. Didn't think about using Infusions at the end either. Also shoulda brought an extra Spirit Elixir or two so I wouldn't have to regen SP at all. Fights probably go quicker with maxed OC (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) I've only got IA2 and I hate spark on there. mana gets too low and spark goes pop. you don't have max OC? You still need AP at your level?
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Jan 9 2012, 23:22
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Ballistic9
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I went in cold, no testing. Spent a lotta time experimenting with debuffs and casting order X( Have Spirit Shield/Haste/SV on IA. SS/SOL last longest when channelled (less buff recasting) and I figure SOL is less vital (at least in normal play). I keep mana above 270 when Banish spamming and all is dandy. 56 more AP to max OC (where's my Barrier AP?!). If I reset my AP tree I might've been able to scrounge up the points from unused spells and EXP tanks. Wasn't around when artifacts were giving AP like candy (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) Also should probably mention Fimbuletvr is more efficient than Soul Burst on the dragon boss adds. This post has been edited by Ballistic9: Jan 9 2012, 23:30
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Jan 10 2012, 00:03
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4EverLost
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QUOTE(Ballistic9 @ Jan 9 2012, 21:22)  I went in cold, no testing. Spent a lotta time experimenting with debuffs and casting order X( Have Spirit Shield/Haste/SV on IA. SS/SOL last longest when channelled (less buff recasting) and I figure SOL is less vital (at least in normal play). I keep mana above 270 when Banish spamming and all is dandy. 56 more AP to max OC (where's my Barrier AP?!). If I reset my AP tree I might've been able to scrounge up the points from unused spells and EXP tanks. Wasn't around when artifacts were giving AP like candy (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) Also should probably mention Fimbuletvr is more efficient than Soul Burst on the dragon boss adds. I did them on nightmare once to test stuff out before the title was added. So I had a good idea what it would be like. I think it took me 177 turns on BT. Funny thing is focus seems to help when casting magnet on them, I think that is the only time it seems useful. Did you use blind on them or bewilder? I don't recall the last time I used blind on something, maybe that's why I almost never use spirit shield.
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Jan 10 2012, 00:32
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Ballistic9
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Bewilder for the small damage boost. Ditto with the Blind X(
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Jan 10 2012, 00:38
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4EverLost
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QUOTE(Ballistic9 @ Jan 9 2012, 22:32)  Bewilder for the small damage boost. Ditto with the Blind X(
ya it seems using weaken/bewilder/absorb + regen II takes care of almost all the damage unless they get a lucky hit in.
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Jan 10 2012, 00:39
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Slobber
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I went in cold as well but I'm a little surprised you guys opted for bewilder over blind. When I did bewilder those girls' crits smacked me up the side of the head enough to dent the spirit shield. Their SP attacks weren't as big a concern. I think I did swap over to bewilder when it was "safer" ie my health/mana/spirit were all high and I was about to activate spirit mode.
Spent a good 6 hours in there but had to put breaks between rounds from all that damn SP harvesting. And wtf, do all you guys have damage as high as lolicon for off element T3 infusion + great status aided spells? I swear I'm a good factor off. Must be doing it wrong o_O
e: and yes, I used a 36/3 staff in there. But IMO a 30/3 is bare minimum.
This post has been edited by dcherry: Jan 10 2012, 00:42
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Jan 10 2012, 00:49
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hzqr
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I've only completed "normal" Legendary arenas on BT (ie, 1 Legendary per round), but I've been using Blind as well (plus Nerf and Weaken). It really helps keeping spirit consumption down.
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Jan 10 2012, 02:10
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4EverLost
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weaken= no phy crit bewilder= no magic crit absorb= stops most spirit attacks
If I recall I had only used 2 godly mana pots by round 90-95
I always use a 50% 3t ET rosewood staff when doing those arenas. Mana has never been a problem
When I do FSM, IPU I also use weaken/bewilder and no spirit shield
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Jan 10 2012, 02:55
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wr4st3r
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QUOTE(4EverLost @ Jan 10 2012, 01:10)  When I do FSM, IPU I also use weaken/bewilder and no spirit shield
Woha isn't that risky? Last time I tried on Heroic, with Bewilder+Nerf he hit me for 4,3k, wasn't a crit, and wasn't even exagitated! How high is your magic mitigations (mage) guys?
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Jan 10 2012, 03:40
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4EverLost
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QUOTE(wr4st3r @ Jan 10 2012, 00:55)  Woha isn't that risky?
Last time I tried on Heroic, with Bewilder+Nerf he hit me for 4,3k, wasn't a crit, and wasn't even exagitated!
How high is your magic mitigations (mage) guys?
Magical Defense 35.9 points absorbed 63 % mitigation I always have spark on. About the only time I get hit is when their spirit points are maxed and absorb can stop that.
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Jan 10 2012, 03:56
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Golden Sun
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QUOTE(4EverLost @ Dec 30 2011, 06:10)  What kind of godly goodies are you looking for? I've got 50% 3t redwoods
How much for one?
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Jan 10 2012, 04:24
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Ballistic9
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QUOTE(dcherry @ Jan 10 2012, 06:39)  Spent a good 6 hours in there but had to put breaks between rounds from all that damn SP harvesting. And wtf, do all you guys have damage as high as lolicon for off element T3 infusion + great status aided spells? I swear I'm a good factor off. Must be doing it wrong o_O
e: and yes, I used a 36/3 staff in there. But IMO a 30/3 is bare minimum. 5 hours here from start to finish (including a few short breaks). IIRC my Fimbultevr was doing about ~10k per hit. Maybe he was wearing Niflheim armor? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) QUOTE(4EverLost @ Jan 10 2012, 08:10)  weaken= no phy crit bewilder= no magic crit absorb= stops most spirit attacks
If I recall I had only used 2 godly mana pots by round 90-95
I always use a 50% 3t ET rosewood staff when doing those arenas. Mana has never been a problem Ah, Absorb. Forgot about that, haven't used it since customs were introduced >< I screwed up way too many times, had to pot up when starting the next round with not enough mana. Had to ET on dragons instead of steamrolling them. Used a backup staff (40% ET) here. This post has been edited by Ballistic9: Jan 10 2012, 04:27
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Jan 10 2012, 04:53
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4EverLost
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QUOTE(Golden Sun @ Jan 10 2012, 01:56)  How much for one?
don't know, but I was going to put some of them in my next auction. QUOTE Ah, Absorb. Forgot about that, haven't used it since customs were introduced >< 87 5 The spell is absorbed. You gain 104 Magic Points. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) 87 4 Flying Spaghetti Monster casts Puff of Logic This post has been edited by 4EverLost: Jan 10 2012, 05:03
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Jan 10 2012, 07:08
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Loli connnnn
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QUOTE(Ballistic9 @ Jan 10 2012, 03:26)  Grats (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) 12 hours though @_@ I shoulda waited until I had IA4 for Spark, woulda saved me a lot of mana regen time. Didn't think about using Infusions at the end either. Also shoulda brought an extra Spirit Elixir or two so I wouldn't have to regen SP at all. Fights probably go quicker with maxed OC (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) Actually I do not have any IA slot (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) Casting those few mana-burning spells while channal is always a good idea, like regenII, SOL or sth. I'd bought lots of Last Elixir, Infusions and Scroll but I did only use a few of them: Used 2 godly mana (before round 25) + 1 Last Elixir at round 100, ~20 Scroll of Avatar just after round 80 by using one per round end (to have a better chance for advoid a dead at the next round 1).... ~20 Infusions just when I remember those and having a good mood to click on it (before round 100) QUOTE(rpgman1 @ Jan 10 2012, 03:48)  Wish I can attempt this, but it'll be a few years before that happens. Seems that mages are the way to go in the Arena at higher levels due to their numerous spells and killing mobs quickly before retaliation. Being melee is useless then to attempt Dance with Dragons on BT/IWBTH?
Oops, never been a melee before, cannot help you though. I don't know how melee can stay alive without mana farming... QUOTE(Ichy @ Jan 10 2012, 04:16)  Last time i tried I ran away after beating one Schoolgirl (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) I ran away after round 36 for my first try since I feel like I do not prepared enough, those alt+1~9 slot need to have a bit modify for being efficiency QUOTE(Ballistic9 @ Jan 10 2012, 05:22)  Wasn't around when artifacts were giving AP like candy (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) So do I (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif) QUOTE(dcherry @ Jan 10 2012, 06:39)  I went in cold as well but I'm a little surprised you guys opted for bewilder over blind. When I did bewilder those girls' crits smacked me up the side of the head enough to dent the spirit shield. Their SP attacks weren't as big a concern. I think I did swap over to bewilder when it was "safer" ie my health/mana/spirit were all high and I was about to activate spirit mode.
Spent a good 6 hours in there but had to put breaks between rounds from all that damn SP harvesting. And wtf, do all you guys have damage as high as lolicon for off element T3 infusion + great status aided spells? I swear I'm a good factor off. Must be doing it wrong o_O
e: and yes, I used a 36/3 staff in there. But IMO a 30/3 is bare minimum.
In my situation, I'd always keep weaken + bewilder + slow + nerf for those bosses this time, and of course, spirit shield. Should have go safe after you spent tons of hours (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) As 4EverLost said before, prof chance is important, but I'll suggest that if you have a 50% 3T ET rosewood vs >34% 3T ET Katalox Staff of Destruction, I'll suggest that you should use the latter one, as you'll need to spent hell lot more time for killing those bosses if you are choosing the previous one.. maybe you'll need >18 hours for finishing this (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/mellow.gif) p.s: I'm not having a high dmage for element since I'm using Katalox Staff (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) =================== Finally, I wound like to thanks all you guys for giving me suggestion while I'm preparing when getting in this 12 hours hell (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) This post has been edited by Loli connnnn: Jan 10 2012, 07:54
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Jan 10 2012, 07:15
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roadgray
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I just tried playing ED on BT. Made it to round 53 without using any items. So 1-99 should be doable.
But how strong are the dragons and will I need cold spells for them? My elemental prof sucks and I would rather use Soul Fire/Burst to finish them.
This post has been edited by roadgray: Jan 10 2012, 07:17
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