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post Jan 27 2013, 04:14
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New redwood:

Legendary Hallowed Redwood Staff of Focus

Interesting thing to note: Elec EDB is +3.29. (The max EDB for non-prefix/non-suffix for ebony was only +2.99.)

The holy EDB from the prefix is also +2.69; the prefix row on the wiki doesn't specify whether it's for holy/dark/soul or elements.
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post Jan 27 2013, 06:21
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Magnificent Kite Shield of Protection

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post Jan 27 2013, 18:47
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Here is a Superior Oak Staff of Focus
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post Jan 28 2013, 02:48
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Exquisite Oak Staff of Focus

so much changes on new staves.

Magic Damage +18.85
Magic Accuracy +35.86%
Magic Critical +6.15%
Burden +7.7
Supportive +9.86
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post Jan 28 2013, 23:04
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Legendary Kite Shield of the Barrier

STR/DEX 4.5 > wiki 3/3.6
END 4.8 > wiki 3

Probably Kite's max PAB are all 4.8 or above.
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post Jan 29 2013, 02:48
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Updated to this post.

Tightened Oak/Willow/Redwood

Rest got most recent values.

Keep it up.

PS. I'm sure I messed up somewhere

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post Jan 29 2013, 06:26
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QUOTE(skillchip @ Jan 29 2013, 08:48) *

Updated to this post.

Tightened Oak/Willow/Redwood

Rest got most recent values.

Keep it up.

PS. I'm sure I messed up somewhere


Looks fine to me though (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

BTW I would suggest keeping ebony ranges for now? Seems the data would still be useful.

Also, katana of battlecaster seems to have extincted a few patches ago.
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post Jan 29 2013, 06:47
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QUOTE(varst @ Jan 29 2013, 04:26) *

Looks fine to me though (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

BTW I would suggest keeping ebony ranges for now? Seems the data would still be useful.

Also, katana of battlecaster seems to have extincted a few patches ago.


I have the ranges, but they are mine!

Also deleted the sheet...
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post Jan 29 2013, 07:02
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QUOTE(skillchip @ Jan 29 2013, 12:47) *

I have the ranges, but they are mine!


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post Jan 29 2013, 10:33
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Superior Willow Staff of Destruction

MDB: 30.63 > 26.88 in the wiki
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post Jan 30 2013, 13:26
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Where did Power ADB data come from? Reviving old data?
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post Jan 30 2013, 15:44
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There was a lot of data posted since i tightened the range back in november
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post Jan 30 2013, 17:54
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Exquisite Kevlar Breastplate of Deflection Strength seems to be a bit higher (4.81 vs 4.78)
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post Jan 30 2013, 21:11
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Hi, umm, first of, I'm sorry if I post this at the wrong place, or this had been discussed somewhere before

I am a newb, and I dont think your Eq Range wiki is newb-friendly, mate. For example, in this formula:

Derived_Base = (^<Base_Roll * Slot_Mod> * Quality_Mod^ +
^<Suffix_Roll * Slot_Mod> * Quality_Mod^ + Quality_Bonus) * Base_Multiplier

- How can I know what is Suffix Roll?
- What is Base Roll? How could the weapon damage of slaughter ranged by 45 to 75 when my weapon have a damage of 162?

I saw that Base Rolls, Base Multiplier, Derived Base, and Projected Maximum already listed on your table here: http://ehwiki.org/wiki/Equipment_Ranges . So then what values do I have to input in my weapon to know how much damage it'd add to my base damage? For example, here: Fine Mace of Slaughter

But hey, maybe your guide is not the only one to blame for not being newb-friendly, I think maybe thats because there are no specific thread discussing about how to gauge weps/eqs from scratch, with no knowledge at first. Or maybe it already existed but I just havent found it yet.

Really, I have very little to no knowledge about HV, and I really appreciate your help guys. Thanks in advance.
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post Jan 30 2013, 23:29
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QUOTE(masskiss @ Jan 30 2013, 15:11) *

Hi, umm, first of, I'm sorry if I post this at the wrong place, or this had been discussed somewhere before

I am a newb, and I dont think your Eq Range wiki is newb-friendly, mate. For example, in this formula:

Derived_Base = (^<Base_Roll * Slot_Mod> * Quality_Mod^ +
^<Suffix_Roll * Slot_Mod> * Quality_Mod^ + Quality_Bonus) * Base_Multiplier

- How can I know what is Suffix Roll?
- What is Base Roll? How could the weapon damage of slaughter ranged by 45 to 75 when my weapon have a damage of 162?

I saw that Base Rolls, Base Multiplier, Derived Base, and Projected Maximum already listed on your table here: http://ehwiki.org/wiki/Equipment_Ranges . So then what values do I have to input in my weapon to know how much damage it'd add to my base damage? For example, here: Fine Mace of Slaughter

But hey, maybe your guide is not the only one to blame for not being newb-friendly, I think maybe thats because there are no specific thread discussing about how to gauge weps/eqs from scratch, with no knowledge at first. Or maybe it already existed but I just havent found it yet.

Really, I have very little to no knowledge about HV, and I really appreciate your help guys. Thanks in advance.


It's right on the weapon. That 162 IS what it will add to your base damage (the Strength and Dexterity it adds will also add to your damage). This page is not newb-friendly, and it's really not meant to be, as it's basically technical data. It's meant to answer the question "How high CAN the numbers go?", which becomes important when you're sinking hundreds of thousands into equipment.

Take a look at Level Scaling to understand how a range of 45 to 75 translates into 162 damage at your level (it's a base Weapon Damage of ~57.8, so to me it shows 814 damage). You should be looking at Derived Base and Projected Maximums, since they're the ones that actually matter, Base Roll is only of significance if you're poking under the hood. Don't worry about the formulas on the Equipment Ranges page, they're there for people trying to figure out how the loot roller actually works.


And to appease the skillchip with a sacrifice of data. . .

Exquisite Willow Staff of Destruction
MDB 32.15 > 28.99

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post Jan 31 2013, 01:43
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QUOTE(masskiss @ Jan 30 2013, 19:11) *

But hey, maybe your guide is not the only one to blame for not being newb-friendly, I think maybe thats because there are no specific thread discussing about how to gauge weps/eqs from scratch, with no knowledge at first. Or maybe it already existed but I just havent found it yet.


I am not newb friendly
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post Jan 31 2013, 06:20
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QUOTE(PK678353 @ Jan 31 2013, 05:29) *

It's right on the weapon. That 162 IS what it will add to your base damage (the Strength and Dexterity it adds will also add to your damage). This page is not newb-friendly, and it's really not meant to be, as it's basically technical data. It's meant to answer the question "How high CAN the numbers go?", which becomes important when you're sinking hundreds of thousands into equipment.

Take a look at Level Scaling to understand how a range of 45 to 75 translates into 162 damage at your level (it's a base Weapon Damage of ~57.8, so to me it shows 814 damage). You should be looking at Derived Base and Projected Maximums, since they're the ones that actually matter, Base Roll is only of significance if you're poking under the hood. Don't worry about the formulas on the Equipment Ranges page, they're there for people trying to figure out how the loot roller actually works.
And to appease the skillchip with a sacrifice of data. . .

Exquisite Willow Staff of Destruction
MDB 32.15 > 28.99


Thanks for clearing things up (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) . Yeah this thing is not for me (at least for now), Im poking my nose into it just because many people say "want to know if your eq is good or not, check this" with links to the eq range wiki page.

My initial thought was the numbers on eq detail page is just a base number, and I should use the eq range formula to know how much the real dmg output is, just like Monster Hunter Melee Damage Formula FAQ, but now I know it isnt. Thats really helpful to consider what weapon gives more dmg output than others for me. So if I'm not mistaken, the numbers on the eq detail page is already calculated for my current level then? That'd make things a lot easier then (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

QUOTE(skillchip @ Jan 31 2013, 07:43) *

I am not newb friendly


Yeah that really does make sense (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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post Jan 31 2013, 15:36
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QUOTE(masskiss @ Jan 31 2013, 04:20) *

Thats really helpful to consider what weapon gives more dmg output than others for me. So if I'm not mistaken, the numbers on the eq detail page is already calculated for my current level then?


The numbers are for a level 0 player

Also, the damage formulas: https://forums.e-hentai.org/index.php?s=&am...t&p=2132910
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post Jan 31 2013, 19:17
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Superior Kevlar Leggings of Protection
PMI 10.02>9.63
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The base PMI of that piece is 9.40, in the range.
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