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post Dec 4 2011, 07:38
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post Dec 4 2011, 07:43
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Talking to me?

If you are: Well I say this because they claim such high notions of intelligence and how free they feel not being bound by the laws of god, but they go and enslave themselves to another mystic and scientifically unprovable set of higher laws like karma.

All in or all out man, not halfway there. Stand for either side and be proud of it but don't claim to disbelieve one thing and believe in another similar thing.
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post Dec 4 2011, 10:29
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I'm utterly stunned to learn that sometimes people listen to me.

Why would you ever do such a thing?
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post Dec 4 2011, 16:51
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QUOTE(FourThirteen @ Dec 3 2011, 02:50) *
In all seriousness, though, Congress is always stupid; that happens when a minority of the population ever votes, a minority of those people ever bother to learn a damn thing about the people running, and a minority of those people aren't misinformed by shitty reporting and political opinion shows pretending to be news. I doubt most Americans can even name the person who represents them in Senate or the House, let alone who's running next election and what they all stand for.
That's true; Aristotle effectively argued for meritocracy (rule of able) and against democracy (rule of mob), yet today democracy seems a sacred term, not a bad one it was in his works.

QUOTE(FourThirteen @ Dec 3 2011, 02:50) *

[www.cbsnews.com] Manning appears to have been charged, [www.msnbc.msn.com] for a few things, and it was my understanding that the military puts their own through a different process than the rest of us anyway. I'm not sure why you think the President's office is somehow making unjustified detention of people they don't like a priority. It's not like the government can afford to hold prisoners anyway.
He hasn't been convicted yet. Do you think it's ok for US government to keep Americans in prison for years without trial?
This short post about summarizes my thought on the matter: [www.techdirt.com] http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110422/...broke-law.shtml

QUOTE(FourThirteen @ Dec 3 2011, 02:50) *
Though for that matter, they can somehow afford to lend money to banks at virtually no interest even though they themselves borrow at interest.
For example, yes... I don't think it's their expense to afford though (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
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post Dec 4 2011, 18:07
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QUOTE(Pseudoshy @ Dec 4 2011, 06:43) *

Talking to me?

If you are: Well I say this because they claim such high notions of intelligence and how free they feel not being bound by the laws of god, but they go and enslave themselves to another mystic and scientifically unprovable set of higher laws like karma.

All in or all out man, not halfway there. Stand for either side and be proud of it but don't claim to disbelieve one thing and believe in another similar thing.


Action-Reaction law. You perform an action. You get a reaction. I kind of also believe in karmic justice and I'm finishing my studies in chemistry.
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post Dec 4 2011, 18:46
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QUOTE(Tenseigamoon @ Dec 4 2011, 06:15) *

Yeah, like straights don't ever do shit like that at all.

I never said they don't. :<
my childish dreaminess just makes me think that homosexuals would be more romantically interested precisely because of the hardships of having a relationship in current societies.


I learned that I am utterly FUCKED.

I slept TWELVE fucking hours, witzhout wanting it or being able to controll it. Additionally, I got late into bed, which means that I woke up just as late (It's 18:00 right now) So I'll revert back into the vicious circle of late sleeping.....
AND ON TOP OF THAT, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. I still did nothing to prepare a speech that I am supposed to hold in class tomorrow. I wouldn't mind if it was "just a speech" But it has to make sense and be filled with historically correct and informative content, unlike what politicians do.

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post Dec 4 2011, 19:01
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QUOTE(Muramasa777 @ Dec 4 2011, 08:07) *

Action-Reaction law. You perform an action. You get a reaction. I kind of also believe in karmic justice and I'm finishing my studies in chemistry.

Action-Reaction is not karma. Karma is the belief that a good action will eventually win you a reward, and that bad action will earn you punishment. If there was karmic justice, this world wouldn't be fucked the way it is, plain and simple. Everyone would have their just consequences but you see ill intents get rewarded, crime goes massively unpunished and even overlooked for those with money, and the majority of the destitute are stuck in a matrix of socioeconomic entrapment. What kind of justice is that?
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post Dec 6 2011, 08:44
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QUOTE(Dlaglacz @ Dec 4 2011, 09:51) *

He hasn't been convicted yet. Do you think it's ok for US government to keep Americans in prison for years without trial?
This short post about summarizes my thought on the matter: [www.techdirt.com] http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110422/...broke-law.shtml

I'll admit I'm not informed on this (and don't plan on reading that article right now either). I kind of figured it was sort of standard, since so many judicial cases get dragged out for years anyway. "Innocent until proven guilty" apparently doesn't mean the accused can't be locked up in the meantime. I'm not saying it's right, but I typically chalk it up to more bureaucratic and legal BS than actual malicious intent.
QUOTE(Muramasa777 @ Dec 4 2011, 11:07) *

Action-Reaction law. You perform an action. You get a reaction. I kind of also believe in karmic justice and I'm finishing my studies in chemistry.

This seems to imply that the universe has the same kind of morality that we do, which it likely doesn't. Hence, even if there are universally "just" reactions to every action, that doesn't mean it will align with any given person's sense of what karma ought to be. The "equal and opposite" of physics fame does not equate to the complex concept of what's fair or just.
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post Dec 6 2011, 09:07
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WHAT IS JUSTICE?! EARTH, SHOW ME JUSTICE!!!
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post Dec 6 2011, 09:12
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QUOTE(derpymal @ Dec 5 2011, 23:07) *

WHAT IS JUSTICE?! EARTH, SHOW ME JUSTICE!!!

With, Freedom, as a bonus (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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post Dec 6 2011, 13:37
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QUOTE(FourThirteen @ Dec 6 2011, 07:44) *
I'll admit I'm not informed on this (and don't plan on reading that article right now either). I kind of figured it was sort of standard, since so many judicial cases get dragged out for years anyway. "Innocent until proven guilty" apparently doesn't mean the accused can't be locked up in the meantime. I'm not saying it's right, but I typically chalk it up to more bureaucratic and legal BS than actual malicious intent.
Based on the information I have, I can't believe bureaucracy with no malicious intent is possible in this case, and it's definitely square against what the spirit of the law has to say on the matter (of course letter of the law gets steadily eroded with time and seems to be badly in need of review). "Innocent until proven guilty" used to be a short and precise summary of the spirit of the law, it was obvious to everyone that in the law the person was innocent until proven guilty, and the phrase was meant to convey the point that the assumption of innocence should also be in people's minds, not only in the law. Nowadays, the spirit of American people got eroded to the point that even you perceive the lawless actions of organisation in physical control of country's resources and people, ie. the government, as something of a standard, while in XIXth century this situation would clearly demand overthrowing the government. Yet people are soothed with words of talking heads, and do nothing, slowly changing into slave population, docile as long as they're told they're free often enough. It's like boiling a frog - if you throw it into boiling water, it will jump out, but let it sit in cold water, and raise the temperature very gradually, and it won't notice it until it's too late. No one demands the explanations of government loud enough to make it react. Big media organisations are muffled by requests to cooperate with big business and government. Independent bloggers have recently sprung out on the Internet, but there aren't enough people educated enough to browse, read, find their words and transmit their opinions to the population, which gets prizes for participation and is told it doesn't need to worry, that the government will take care of its needs. The government is steadily in control, or rather, various agencies which get money from the government and are no longer controlled by it are in control. Support for members of the Congress depends on money, and on support of big business - those that don't cooperate don't get elected. The only reason they haven't shown themselves to be the factual rulers of USA is that there's no gain from that, that the population is more easily governed with the lie that they're free. Their control doesn't have to be absolute to be a fact, and it can't be absolute without this being shown to everyone, but they can eventually, slowly, introduce any laws they consider useful to them, and such hidden power is more elastic than traditional dictatorships.

Does what I wrote above contradict any of the facts known to you, or only the belief you cultivate about the world? I know certain points of this viewpoint get ridiculed along with flying saucers etc, but I don't see anything improbable in them, just a propaganda of ridicule against them... as they say, The fact you are paranoid (or seen as such) doesn't mean they're not out to get you (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
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post Dec 6 2011, 17:27
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QUOTE(derpymal @ Dec 6 2011, 01:07) *

WHAT IS JUSTICE?!


A miserable little pile of ideologies.
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post Dec 6 2011, 17:33
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QUOTE(radixius @ Dec 6 2011, 17:27) *

A miserable little pile of ideologies.

Huh, I always thought it was an electric chair...meh, must come with being from Texas.
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post Dec 7 2011, 05:39
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post Dec 7 2011, 06:52
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Post-modernism movement in all it's nihilistic beauty and that "The Things They Carried" isn't as great of a book as I once thought of when I was in High School.

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post Dec 7 2011, 06:56
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post Dec 7 2011, 08:57
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I learned my avatar really doesn't look much like the anime character it depicts, so that joke image I was going to make wouldn't have made sense anyway.

Really gotta get a new one anyway...

QUOTE(Dlaglacz @ Dec 6 2011, 06:37) *

Words

I couldn't be bothered to do more than skim that. I can't be bothered to keep talking about this. Nothing I say matters, and I can't change any of it right now. I like healthy debate from time to time, but not when it just causes me more angst.
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post Dec 7 2011, 09:07
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He didn't read em D, but I did. I agree with everything you said. There is no fucking way in hell that the misdeeds of this government just happen by chance of human error. I don't just say that talking out of my ass either, I've seen and have taken part in much of the strong-arming that this government has done to oppress others for pure monetary gain, going so far as to even let their own soldiers die if it will gain the corporations that truly own this country some extra pocket money.

I like the quote that a famous (to me anyways, he is one of the gods of the Corps and also author of the book "War is a Racket") Marine Corps general said in his book.

“I spent thirty-three years and four months in active military service as a member of this country's most agile military force, the Marine Corps. I served in all commissioned ranks from Second Lieutenant to Major-General. And during that period, I spent most of my time being a high class muscle-man for Big Business, for Wall Street and for the Bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism.I helped make Mexico and especially Tampico safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefit of Wall Street. I helped purify Nicaragua for the International Banking House of Brown Brothers in 1902-1912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for the American sugar interests in 1916. I helped make Honduras right for the American fruit companies in 1903. In China in 1927 I helped see to it that Standard Oil went on its way unmolested. Looking back on it, I might have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents.”
― Smedley D. Butler, War is a Racket: The Anti-War Classic by America's Most Decorated General
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post Dec 7 2011, 09:09
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I learned (once again) that people are more comfortable complaining about stuff they don't like rather than actually doing anything about it.
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post Dec 7 2011, 09:16
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Quit looking at a mirror and do something then.
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