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Mar 31 2011, 08:37
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Conquest101
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Finally got around to making this thread. Below, I'll list the hypothetical maximum values for various desirable stats. I've exclusively focused on maging gear with the exception of evade silk; however, if anyone wishes to examine other gear types, feel free. I'll happily edit in any additional data.
Keep in mind that the data listed is by no means final. While some things, such as cloth proficiency bonuses and EDB are pretty much locked in stone at this point, many of the others are still tentative at best. This is where you come in. If you own or have seen examples of higher maximums for any stat, please feel free to post it. Or if you wish to collect data for some other category and compile it, I'll be happy to include it. Some categories that I personally would like to see data for are Battlecaster Light MDM, Gossamer Evade, Phase Evade (post nerf only for the foreseeable future),and Non-Fox Gossamer INT and Non-Fox Phase INT since I believe these might be different.
Also keep in mind that some categories cover others. For example, as far as I can tell, all cloth PABs have the same baseline. IE, 24.44 is the max INT on a body piece as well as the max AGI, WIS, and DEX.
All values are scaled to 300. Value in parentheses is the base (scaled to level 0) value. Rounding errors may exist.
Cloth
Proficiency
Applies to Gossamer and Phase. Applies to Elementalist/Demon-Fiend/Heaven-Sent/Curse-Weaver/Earth-Walker/Priestess. Max values are almost 100% certain.
Head: 42.84 (6.12) Body: 51.41 (7.34) Gloves: 38.56 (5.51) Legs: 47.13 (6.73) Feet: 34.27 (4.90)
Elemental Damage Bonus (EDB)
Applies to Mjolnir/Surtr/Niflheim/Freyr/Fenrir/Heimdall. Obviously, none of these are correct anymore lol.
Head: 20.93 (2.99) Body: 25.13 (3.59) Gloves: 18.84 (2.69) Legs: 23.03 (3.29) Feet: 16.74 (2.39)
Everything regarding evade is wrong now too. Though I can probably work out the changed scaling factor and adjust all the values (assuming none of the maximum values have been changed). Don't hold your breath on this happening soon though.
Silk Fleet Evade
Max values are extremely tentative. If a pattern exists, my guess would be that 7.00/6.50/6.00/5.50/5.00 might be the true maximums. The alternative 6.75/6.5/6.25/6.00/5.75 seems much less likely. Or no such pattern may exist at all.
Head: 10.06 (5.75) Body: 11.81 (6.75) Gloves: 9.63 (5.50) Legs: 11.38 (6.50) Feet: 8.31 (4.75)
Gossamer Evade
Preliminary. Assumed to the same as Phase evade, so a 4.0 base Head should exist at the very least.
Head: 6.56 (3.75) Body: 8.31 (4.75) Gloves: 6.13 (3.5) Legs: 7.88 (4.50) Feet: 5.69 (3.25)
Phase Evade
Preliminary.
Head: 7.00 (4.00) Body: 8.31 (4.75) Gloves: 6.13 (3.5) Legs: 7.88 (4.50) Feet: 5.69 (3.25)
Gossamer PABs
Feet should be +.01 most likely. Should apply to all PABs (INT, WIS, AGI, DEX) and possibly Silk as well.
Head: 20.63 (2.21) Body: 24.44 (2.61) Gloves: 18.71 (2.01) Legs: 22.45 (2.41) Feet: 15.96 (1.71)
Phase PABs
Should apply to INT, WIS, and DEX, but NOT AGI as it might have a higher range. So Tenboro dropped Raccoon and Cheetah Phase + maybe raised INT/WIS maximums. So until some time has passed, not much we can say in this section.
INT, WIS, DEX
Head: Body: 25.24 (2.70) Gloves: Legs: 24.43 (2.62) Feet:
AGI
Head: Body: 25.37 (2.72) Gloves: Legs: Feet:
Gossamer Non-Suffixed PABs
Currently no data.
Phase Non-Suffixed PABs
Currently no data.
Staffs
Ebony and Katalox
Pretty much all of these are extremely tentative. Again, EDB maxes are going to be way different now.
Max MDM on Destruction: Ebony: 61.6 (15.4) Katalox: 56.78 (14.19)
MDM on non-Destruction: Ebony: 36.23 (9.06) Katalox: 35.03 (8.76)
EDB on EDB suffixed (Mjolnir, Surtr, Heimdall, etc.): Ebony: 35.58 (5.08) Katalox: 37.68 (5.38)
EDB on non-suffixed (Destruction, Focus, etc.): Ebony: 14.65 (2.09) Katalox: 20.93 (2.99)
Prof. on Elementalist/Demon-Fiend/Heaven-Sent: Ebony: 81.4 (11.63) Katalox: 79.26 (11.32)
Prof. on other suffix: Ebony: 42.84 (6.12) Katalox: 42.84 (6.12)
INT on non-Fox: Ebony: 13.16 (1.41) Katalox: 13.16 (1.41)
INT on Fox: Ebony: 24.44 (2.62) Katalox: 23.5 (2.52)
Magic Accuracy Bonus (MAB) Ebony: 67.64 (58.82) Katalox:
Magic Critical Bonus (MCB) Ebony: 8.66 (7.53) Katalox:
Other
Max Curse-Weaver/Priestess/Earth-Walker Prof.: 96.39 (13.77) Not 100% sure they're all the same, but most likely
Light
Battlecaster
Extremely preliminary. Assumed to be the same for DH/Kevlar.
MDM: Head: 10.73 (2.72) Body: 14.50 (3.62) Gloves: 9.66(2.41) Legs: 13.29 (3.32) Feet: 7.25 (1.81)
Kevlar
Normal evade pattern seems to be established.
Evade
Head: 5.25 (3.00) Body: 6.13 (3.50) Gloves: 4.81 (2.75) Legs: 5.69 (3.25) Feet: 4.38 (2.50)
Physical Mitigation
Head: Body: 4.26 (7.46) Gloves: Legs: Feet:
Heavy
Shield Armor
Values are extremely preliminary due to the tiny sample size currently available.
Barrier Block
Head: Body: 17.46 (9.99) Gloves: Legs: Feet:
Non-Barrier Block
Head: 8.73 (4.99) Body: 10.48 (5.99) Gloves: 8.73 (4.99) Legs: 10.48 (5.99) Feet: 6.98 (3.99)
Power Armor
Values are extremely preliminary due to the tiny sample size currently available. Obviously, using the feet as a base, all the other values can be higher.
Slaughter ADM
Head: 23.61 (4.31) Body: Gloves: Legs: 29.52 (5.39) Feet: 31.49 (5.75)
Non-Slaughter ADM
Misc
Damage Type Mitigations
Thrice-Blessed, Spirit-Ward, Thunder-Child, etc. All of them are the same except for Shielding Aura.
Head: 23.0 (20.0) Body: 27.6 (24.0) Gloves: 20.7 (18.0) Legs: 25.3 (22.0) Feet: 18.4 (16.0)
That's what I've collected thus far. I may do some of the blank categories myself in the future. Again, please feel free to contribute. If you want to request data on any equipment I have for a category, just ask.
This post has been edited by Conquest101: May 16 2011, 16:42
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Mar 31 2011, 08:56
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hitokiri84
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Looks nice. For the Fox pants, if you can determine the increment base INT increases by, you should be able to get the proposed max value under 22. And who has the 24+ Fox robe? The highest I have is 20.68, and I've gotten about a hundred less than that.
Also, a mod needs to sticky this thread for reference.
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Mar 31 2011, 09:02
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varst
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I have reviewed my own database, and gossamer evade seems to show a pattern, so i post it here
Head: 3.75 Body: 4.5 Gloves: 3.5 Legs: 4.25 Feet: 3
Except for the feet part which i expects to have something like 3.25 base evade, this is my observation. I don't have enough data to analyze the phase part, but it seems they share the same limit. Just too few phase drops and auctions to confirm.
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Mar 31 2011, 09:06
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purng
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Could you please add Maxinum Damage Type Mitigations in this thread? I think most people would like to know.
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Mar 31 2011, 09:13
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KamuiSeph
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What, no Gossamer prof bonus lists? I am disappoint.
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Mar 31 2011, 09:38
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hitokiri84
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Reading deficiency much?
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Mar 31 2011, 09:41
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Conquest101
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QUOTE(hitokiri84 @ Mar 30 2011, 23:56)  Looks nice. For the Fox pants, if you can determine the increment base INT increases by, you should be able to get the proposed max value under 22. And who has the 24+ Fox robe? The highest I have is 20.68, and I've gotten about a hundred less than that.
I could have sworn I saw one actually posted in the equip thread at some point, but couldn't find it. And the robe is mineQUOTE(varst @ Mar 31 2011, 00:02)  I have reviewed my own database, and gossamer evade seems to show a pattern, so i post it here
Head: 3.75 Body: 4.5 Gloves: 3.5 Legs: 4.25 Feet: 3
Except for the feet part which i expects to have something like 3.25 base evade, this is my observation. I don't have enough data to analyze the phase part, but it seems they share the same limit. Just too few phase drops and auctions to confirm.
Well, base evade will always be in increments of 0.25, it's just a matter of what the actual maximums are. I'll add that in for now, and more people can chime in hopefully. Hito, since you have an evade fox set (I believe), mind seeing if any of your pieces have a greater evade? QUOTE(purng @ Mar 31 2011, 00:06)  Could you please add Maxinum Damage Type Mitigations in this thread? I think most people would like to know.
I probably won't, at least for the foreseeable future. For one, I don't have enough Heavy/Light stuff to draw from. There's also a lot of variation between the various types of Light and Heavy, so it's a fairly daunting task in and of itself. QUOTE((Cheater) KamuiSeph @ Mar 31 2011, 00:13)  What, no Gossamer prof bonus lists? I am disappoint.
Umm, the proficiency maximums (first category) apply to all Phase/Gossamer proficiencies.
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Mar 31 2011, 09:45
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Koshinator
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for the phase evade - i have a 3.25 base pair of shoes (5.69 at 300), so varst's estimation seems correct... I'd guess phase and gossamer evades would be the same... perhaps
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Mar 31 2011, 09:46
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KamuiSeph
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QUOTE(hitokiri84 @ Mar 31 2011, 10:38)  Reading deficiency much?
Oh hey, it's there! I knew it! My cap is AWESOME @___@ (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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Mar 31 2011, 09:49
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Conquest101
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QUOTE(Koshinator @ Mar 31 2011, 00:45)  for the phase evade - i have a 3.25 base pair of shoes (5.69 at 300), so varst's estimation seems correct...
Added. Also I can confirm a 4.5 base evade phase for robe and pants, which suggests a higher evade should exist for robes as well. And 3.75 for phase cap. This post has been edited by Conquest101: Mar 31 2011, 09:53
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Mar 31 2011, 10:08
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Ichy
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3.25 for Phase Shoes sound about right Level: 289 -> 0 Attack Accuracy Bonus: 1.6 Magic Accuracy Bonus: 1.99 Physical Absorption: 0.09 Physical Mitigation: 0.52 Magical Absorption: 0.43 Magical Mitigation: 1.42 Evade Chance: 3.25 Cold Damage Bonus: 1.5 DEX: 0.4 AGI: 0.4 INT: 0.3 WIS: 0.3
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Mar 31 2011, 10:19
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purng
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Phase Robe of the Priestess
Attack Accuracy Bonus + 5.24 % Magic Accuracy Bonus + 5.44 % Physical Absorption + 2.06 Physical Mitigation + 1.97 % Magical Absorption + 5.35 Magical Mitigation + 3.68 % Evade Chance + 6.92 % Proficiency Bonuses Curative + 34.22 Primary Attribute Bonuses Intelligence + 6.74 Wisdom + 7.35 Dexterity + 6.74 Agility + 4.29
Level 183 / Slot: Body / Type: Cloth armor
4.75 Evade chance for Phase Robe.
Level: 183 -> 0 Evade Chance: 4.75
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Mar 31 2011, 10:34
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Ichy
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4.0 base evade phase cap Level: 308 -> 0 Attack Accuracy Bonus: 4.8 Magic Accuracy Bonus: 4.98 Physical Absorption: 0.23 Physical Mitigation: 0.83 Magical Absorption: 0.59 Magical Mitigation: 1.62 Evade Chance: 4 Elec Damage Bonus: 1.79 DEX: 0.91 AGI: 0.6 INT: 0.91 WIS: 1.01
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Mar 31 2011, 10:35
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hitokiri84
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QUOTE(Conquest101 @ Mar 31 2011, 02:41)  And you're not even using it. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/anime_cry.gif) Those should be tears of blood, not water. Please sell it to me. This post has been edited by hitokiri84: Mar 31 2011, 10:37
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Mar 31 2011, 10:46
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Conquest101
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QUOTE(hitokiri84 @ Mar 31 2011, 01:35)  And you're not even using it. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/anime_cry.gif) Those should be tears of blood, not water. Please sell it to me. Au contraire, I do use it. I just wasn't leveling it in favor of other things.
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Mar 31 2011, 11:23
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varst
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I must say that this is not MY staff Fine ebony staff of mjolnir5.08 base ELEC EDB
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Mar 31 2011, 13:35
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hgbdd
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About the battecaster, IIRC hyl has some good, and here's my contribution
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Mar 31 2011, 15:02
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isatox
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Average Gossamer Pants of the FoxMagic Accuracy Bonus + 4.18 % Physical Absorption + 1.33 Physical Mitigation + 0.77 % Magical Absorption + 2.67 Magical Mitigation + 0.50 % Evade Chance + 3.40 % Burden + 5.64 Primary Attribute Bonuses Intelligence + 8.42 Wisdom + 1.10 Level 95 / Slot: Legs / Type: Cloth armor 2.31 Base Int, 21.6 Int @300
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Mar 31 2011, 15:07
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Mar 31 2011, 15:49
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Conquest101
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QUOTE(isatox @ Mar 31 2011, 06:02)  Average Gossamer Pants of the FoxMagic Accuracy Bonus + 4.18 % Physical Absorption + 1.33 Physical Mitigation + 0.77 % Magical Absorption + 2.67 Magical Mitigation + 0.50 % Evade Chance + 3.40 % Burden + 5.64 Primary Attribute Bonuses Intelligence + 8.42 Wisdom + 1.10 Level 95 / Slot: Legs / Type: Cloth armor 2.31 Base Int, 21.6 Int @300 That's what I expected. It does raise an interesting question as to why the body piece jumps by an increment of 0.3 base whereas every other piece is 0.2.
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