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I thought I should mention that I'm considering handing out -K for any auction thread I find, with the items still listed, that's over a week past its end date. I'm hoping this may act as as some kind of incentive. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

What's wrong with outdated auctions staying in the old parts of WTS thread?
You mods should lock it and that's all, but lists of what items were on auction are always useful, even far in the future. How else are you going to compare items around if none are listed anywhere and all posts/threads are deleted?

There's nothing wrong with keeping old auction threads as such. The problem is sold items coming up in searches. If I'm looking for (say) some Demon-fiend gear, I don't want to have to trawl through a bunch of dead auctions every time I check the WTS section. That's one of the main reasons why the WTS Guidelines were created in the first place. If you think your thread might be useful for future reference, then edit the names of your items - I don't care how, just try to avoid likely search terms.

You personally don't want to see items in WTS that are not being sold.
I personally want to see the items in WTS that have been sold in the past.
Maybe you should make a voting thread to see what The People want? :B

So, what do the people want?

Keep the threads (if the creator wants to), but make it a requirement that the links need to be renamed so they don't come up in a search.

Frankly, I don't see the use of keeping the threads at all. Auctions results are a poor indication of true item value due to bidding wars, changes in demand, updates, etc. anyway.

This post has been edited by Conquest101: Feb 22 2011, 18:31

I thought people were just lazy to delete the links, and/or closing the threads. Well Conq just said pretty much everything, but hey people you can always ask no need to search.

This post has been edited by cmdct: Feb 22 2011, 19:26

I never saw a reason to delete anything before, and it's a moot point now that I've already been forced to delete hundreds of things.

Maybe someone missed the end of an auction and wants to know who ended up with an item. Maybe someone wants to know what thing people are bidding ridiculous amounts of credits on so they can get a grasp on what's considered valuable. Just check the thread OP? Nope, can't do that. Everything's deleted.

And who really uses search on WTS/WTB anyway? If you have to use search on the WTS section, you're probably not playing the game right. Hell, most people don't even look beyond the first 10 threads. Even if they did, how hard is it to see that the thread creator and the equipment owner aren't the same person? I've even used strikethrough in the past, but apparently that's still not a big enough hint to some people that it's not available anymore. Also, anything beyond the first page is usually a defunct offer or request anyway.

So my vote is for "Other," i.e. use the strikethrough.

This post has been edited by hitokiri84: Feb 22 2011, 20:41

usually I'll edit the title
like add "[SOLD OUT]" in front.
but my forum level (Casual Poster) seems can't edit the title
so I have no idea.

This post has been edited by Leon007: Feb 22 2011, 20:47

Not a great deal of interest in this topic so far...
As I write this the poll votes are 6, 3, 4, 1. It's a small lead for "it's OK to list sold items", but not a majority. And I'm sure there are a lot more than 14 people using the WTS forum.
Among those who could be bothered to post a reply, well, you can see for yourself. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

I never saw a reason to delete anything before, and it's a moot point now that I've already been forced to delete hundreds of things.

Well, no one forced you to delete those items. I would have had no problem with you simply renaming them in some way. The only problem I have is with doing the renaming of a bunch of items myself. Call me lazy if you like, but why should I do things that normal users can do for themselves?

Maybe someone missed the end of an auction and wants to know who ended up with an item. Maybe someone wants to know what thing people are bidding ridiculous amounts of credits on so they can get a grasp on what's considered valuable. Just check the thread OP? Nope, can't do that. Everything's deleted.

I actually agree with this. Perhaps I should clarify my position on completed auctions: I don't care if people want to keep them for future reference. I'm not obsessed with removing them in order to keep the forum clean. I just think it's a good idea not to have stuff lying around that messes up searches. On which topic...

And who really uses search on WTS/WTB anyway? If you have to use search on the WTS section, you're probably not playing the game right. Hell, most people don't even look beyond the first 10 threads. Even if they did, how hard is it to see that the thread creator and the equipment owner aren't the same person? I've even used strikethrough in the past, but apparently that's still not a big enough hint to some people that it's not available anymore.

I used to use the forum search quite a lot on WTS. You might not find it useful, but you're in a unique position, so...
However, this:

Also, anything beyond the first page is usually a defunct offer or request anyway.

isn't necessarily true if you're talking about search results, since they're ordered by original posting date, not by when those posts were last updated. If we keep sold items listed, existing shop threads are going to get pushed farther and farther down the results, regardless of how often they're updated.

I'd also like to point out that the bit about deleting sold items has been in the WTS guidelines for quite some time, and no one has said anything about it in that thread. You would almost think that people don't actually care about these things. Anyone feel like proving me wrong about that?

I just tried to rename my thread in the WTS forum to: CLOSED.
I used to be able to rename my threads but no longer, what gives ?

https://forums.e-hentai.org/index.php?showtopic=34821

Well, no one forced you to delete those items.

Just a reminder...

...that you have some completed auction threads with the sale items still listed. Someone should probably do something about that.

I thought I should mention that I'm considering handing out -K for any auction thread I find, with the items still listed, that's over a week past its end date. I'm hoping this may act as as some kind of incentive. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Your passive-aggressive behavior as a mod says otherwise.

Look, I even found a PM from you in July where you refer to them as Rules.

Would you mind tidying up your shop thread? You probably didn't see it, but the rules were changed to request that people delete the names of sold items rather than just striking them out.

The guidelines are even referred to as rules in the OP of the WTS Guidelines thread.

So, don't feed me this BS that it wasn't forced. Editing the links to "avoid likely search terms" simply creates unrecognizable clutter, defeating all reasons for keeping or removing them altogether.

I'd also like to point out that the bit about deleting sold items has been in the WTS guidelines for quite some time, and no one has said anything about it in that thread.

I find it reprehensible that such guidelines are created according to the objectivity of people that don't actually sell anything in WTS. Feel free to quote that in the guidelines thread.

Regardless, I think you should be more concerned with adding guidelines such as "don't bump your threads every single day because no one is buying the garbage you fished out of the Bazaar," or "don't scam people into overbidding with your buddy and then split the profit," instead of enforcing personal biases about sold equipment links.

Guidelines are suggested behaviors within an acceptable norm. If you feel anything should be enforced, then the thread needs to be renamed to "WTS Rules," and you need to block major repeat offenders from accessing that subforum.


And I still vote for the strikethrough, regardless of whether or not it's forbidden in the WTS guidelines. It solves all aforementioned problems. Otherwise my vote counts for leaving all links as is.

This post has been edited by hitokiri84: Feb 24 2011, 23:20

I don't think it matters keeping a record of what sold and for how much. Trends change and just because something sold for a million credits doesn't mean that same item will sell again for another million. I'm all for nuking.

\Trends change and just because something sold for a million credits doesn't mean that same item will sell again for another million.

I actually have a particular item in mind that fits this description perfectly.

I actually have a particular item in mind that fits this description perfectly.

I believe that was the point.

I believe that was the point.

How much you wager that particular item is worth now?

How much you wager that particular item is worth now?

Probably bazaar value, give or take.

Which item?

Probably the katana cmal bought for a million credits in artifacts before the update. Which buffed katanas.

Well, I would have liked to go back and look at the stats of that thing. But:
https://forums.e-hentai.org/index.php?showtopic=31685

I just tried to rename my thread in the WTS forum to: CLOSED.
I used to be able to rename my threads but no longer, what gives ?

https://forums.e-hentai.org/index.php?showtopic=34821

In order to rename your threads, you need to have a Gold Star (or higher). Those in the Members group can't do it. (Lurkers and Recruits can rename threads, for some reason. Probably because Tenboro never got around to turning it off for them.) I renamed your thread, btw. I can also close or delete it, should you so request.

Well, no one forced you to delete those items.

Just a reminder...

...that you have some completed auction threads with the sale items still listed. Someone should probably do something about that.

I thought I should mention that I'm considering handing out -K for any auction thread I find, with the items still listed, that's over a week past its end date. I'm hoping this may act as as some kind of incentive.

Your passive-aggressive behavior as a mod says otherwise.

Look, I even found a PM from you in July where you refer to them as Rules.

Would you mind tidying up your shop thread? You probably didn't see it, but the rules were changed to request that people delete the names of sold items rather than just striking them out.

The guidelines are even referred to as rules in the OP of the WTS Guidelines thread.

So, don't feed me this BS that it wasn't forced.

I don't see any coercion in there. Everything I said to you was worded as a polite request, and if you had argued the matter at the time, I would have been perfectly willing to open a discussion on the subject. As I've now done, in fact, as a result of the PM exchange I quoted in the OP.

(As for the -K threats... I should point out that the bit about -K wasn't directed at Hito. I was just getting annoyed by the fact that I seemed to be spending all my time sending out PMs saying "this thread is completed, do you want me to delete it?" and getting the answer "yes, delete it"... well, if you wanted it deleted, why didn't you ask me to do it?)

I'd also like to point out that the bit about deleting sold items has been in the WTS guidelines for quite some time, and no one has said anything about it in that thread.

I find it reprehensible that such guidelines are created according to the objectivity of people that don't actually sell anything in WTS. Feel free to quote that in the guidelines thread.

I have a shop thread, which did a reasonable amount of business in its time. It just happens to be closed at the moment.

Regardless, I think you should be more concerned with adding guidelines such as "don't bump your threads every single day because no one is buying the garbage you fished out of the Bazaar," or "don't scam people into overbidding with your buddy and then split the profit," instead of enforcing personal biases about sold equipment links.

Is there actually a problem with excessive bumping of threads? The last time this was brought up, there was one specific offender, and he stopped after I had a word with him. I don't want to have to make rules (or guidelines) prohibiting things that no one is doing anyway - it's just more stuff to plough through, assuming anyone actually reads it.

Regarding possible scams: I don't know if anyone has actually contacted Tenboro about this (since he's the only one who can check things like exchanges of credits between the parties concerned), so I'll do it now. As for making a rule (guideline) against it, I don't know. Assuming something dodgy is going on, whoever's doing it must know it's wrong, whether or not it actually says so anywhere.

Guidelines are suggested behaviors within an acceptable norm. If you feel anything should be enforced, then the thread needs to be renamed to "WTS Rules," and you need to block major repeat offenders from accessing that subforum.

*sigh* Up to now I thought most people were happy with the way things worked, and their reasons for not following the guidelines were either laziness or ignorance. I really don't want to turn into some kind of Guidelines Nazi who imposes a single WTS worldview through brute force.

And I still vote for the strikethrough, regardless of whether or not it's forbidden in the WTS guidelines. It solves all aforementioned problems. Otherwise my vote counts for leaving all links as is.

Noted. At least you're man enough to post here with your reasoning, unlike whoever voted for the first option.

Is there actually a problem with excessive bumping of threads? The last time this was brought up, there was one specific offender, and he stopped after I had a word with him. I don't want to have to make rules (or guidelines) prohibiting things that no one is doing anyway - it's just more stuff to plough through, assuming anyone actually reads it.

That depends on what you call excessive. Sometimes it's daily bumping to add one thing (or one artifact. really?) and sometimes it's creating a different thread for every type of equip. It's not always the same person.

Noted. At least you're man enough to post here with your reasoning, unlike whoever voted for the first option.

I seem to be on the dissenting end of things too frequently on this website, yet going by the poll, it's not (atm.) Dissenting of the people that care to talk about it at least. And keeping the links is not about who got what for how much. It's more for seeing what is valued relative to other equipment and generating interest in more sales. I used to get tons of requests for equipment (and sales) simply from leaving the strikethrough links.

OK. I think I'm going to make some changes to the WTS Guidelines. But only after I've slept on it. Expect it when it happens.

Well, I finally got around to tweaking the guidelines last night. No comments yet, though I'm sure there must be someone out there who doesn't like what I did.