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Its kinda funny that the youtube reviewers are hyping the 9800x3D and maybe future 9950x3D whilst the mobo manufacturers trying to control expectations and say its a small generation boost to performance.

I wonder if they have been asked not to go nuts with default voltage settings.



People predicted that Userbenchmarks would come up with some hilarious bullshit this generation of CPUs.




They recommend the 13600K and 14600K and an RTX 4090 or RTX 5090 over the 9800x3D just to become more of a meme. They also deduct points from the 9800x3D because of the number of reddit threads that say to buy that CPU.

Even intel insiders think Userbenchmark is doing more damage to intel brand than help.

This post has been edited by EsotericSatire: Nov 13 2024, 13:53

Userbenchmark is just a shitposting site

They recommend the 13600K and 14600K and an RTX 4090 or RTX 5090 over the 9800x3D just to become more of a meme.

How many games a CPU-bound nowadays though? I feel like which CPU to buy for gaming purposes is more a question of "something new enough to be compatible" than anything that affects performance.

e. I noticed the graph in the video, but conveniently there is no mention of actual FPS figures or resolution (or even which GPU it's paired with). I found the original source and apparently it's a 4090, but again, what is the resolution, what are these framerates like since you're only showing "percentages"?
If you're playing Cyberpunk 2077 at 1080p on a 4090 then no shit a more powerful CPU can push it from 300fps to 400fps or whatever FOR A 33% GAIN, but I think people with high end rigs like that are also trying to game on 4K, and then you're again stuck with being GPU-bound.

I don't know what exactly they measured, because conveniently they don't disclose this information, which is always a sign to expect the worst and most useless benchmarks. Well that, and the source literally being the manufacturer's internal testing.

e2. Alright I looked up the Gamers Nexus benchmarks because at least I trust them as a source, but again. All 1080p benchmarks. Average framerates of 300, 400, 600 etc. Who gives a shit? I get that they force this unrealistic scenario of buying a $3000 rig to play games at a resolution that was popular 20 years ago (even on the "low" preset) for the exact purpose that it's the only way to distinguish between these CPUs, and the people who watch these videos want to see a difference because they care more about the graphs and cheer for their favorite like they're sports teams. But the need for such an orchestrated testing environment only highlights the disparity between buying components to do well in benchmarks and for actually playing video games.

The takeaway from these graphs is that nearly any CPU included in the comparison is powerful enough to run the games at 100+ FPS and then your choice of GPU dictates how high you can push the resolution and graphics settings. As I expected.

They also deduct points from the 9800x3D because of the number of reddit threads that say to buy that CPU.

Always doing the opposite of what Reddit says is solid reasoning.

This post has been edited by kotitonttu: Nov 14 2024, 15:46

I don't think I can afford to upgrade my PC for a few more years. I don't think people rush out to buy the latest CPU every generation anymore?

Played the monhun beta test and it absolutely wrecked my RTX3080. Wanted to upgrade to 5090 before Dec so I can pass my old GPU to my friend but it looks like 5090 is not arriving until next year.
Also need to grab an extra pair of RAM since I'm running out of memory with all the stupid servers I'm running. But I'm too lazy to open up my PC.

after finally updating my 2012 hardware to 2015 I dont see myself updating again for at least another 5 to 10 years. I can compile a kernel in minutes now, it doesnt get any better than this.

still no plans to "upgrade" my 2012 hardware
i like all my parallel pci slots (i use them, too, for my sound card and a capture card and a scsi controller).

This post has been edited by Moonlight Rambler: Nov 16 2024, 00:30

Reading these posts I realize I spent way too much money on my rig. Ryzen 9 5900X and I use it to run a browser and a virtual machine for Photoshop. No gaming. The only thing I max out is my RAM, too many tabs. I really thought 64GB would be enough but I've had OOM killer kill Firefox multiple times this week.

At least I don't have to upgrade for years and years.

Reading these posts I realize I spent way too much money on my rig. Ryzen 9 5900X and I use it to run a browser and a virtual machine for Photoshop. No gaming. The only thing I max out is my RAM, too many tabs. I really thought 64GB would be enough but I've had OOM killer kill Firefox multiple times this week.

At least I don't have to upgrade for years and years.

If you've got money to spend, why not? RAM is kinda cheap though, just get a few more sticks if you're running out.
That said. If I knew you personally IRL, I would shame you for your filthy browser behavior. Don't browsers load tabs only if you open them? I remember having around 400 unloaded tabs of manga without any issue when I used to have a shitty laptop with 4GB RAM a decade ago.

How do you max out 64gb of ram with a browser? The only time i OOM'd was using 24 processes converting images to JXL before libjxl significaltny reduced the memory usage a few months ago.

Don't browsers load tabs only if you open them?

How do you max out 64gb of ram with a browser? The only time i OOM'd was using 24 processes converting images to JXL before libjxl significaltny reduced the memory usage a few months ago.

By grouping them together in different categories (thanks Simple Tab Groups!) and automatically loading everything when switching between them. Doesn't unload them when I'm finished though, and I can't be arsed to restart my browser every time I switch between groups.

My reason for loading everything? Speed. And I always have two windows open side by side since I have an ultrawide monitor and having one browser window taking up the entire space is wasted.

This post has been edited by -Lumina-: Nov 17 2024, 01:04

I still only have 16GB of ram. The issue was that ultra low latency ram was expensive at the time.

16GB was $2-300 and 32gb was $700-1200.


Currently for 32gb of CL28 6000mhz ram is $290. That's pretty good, I see no reason not to go to 32gb now.

This post has been edited by EsotericSatire: Nov 17 2024, 02:13

How do you max out 64gb of ram with a browser? The only time i OOM'd was using 24 processes converting images to JXL before libjxl significaltny reduced the memory usage a few months ago.

The last time I ran out of memory was when I tried to load my entire research dataset into RAM. Didn't work out as well as I thought.

I still only have 16GB of ram. The issue was that ultra low latency ram was expensive at the time.

16GB was $2-300 and 32gb was $700-1200.
Currently for 32gb of CL28 6000mhz ram is $290. That's pretty good, I see no reason not to go to 32gb now.

My PC at work had 16GB but I ran out of that too (I have different browsing habits at work don't worry). We had a discussion about how much RAM is the minimum and came to the conclusion that 16GB is that minimum now. Kinda insane how much RAM modern software requires.

I have 64GB now but I never fully used even 16GB. I just upgraded because it was time to upgrade my 2015 (or 2014?) build and I might as well do all the parts at once. It was cheap enough.

Having hundreds of tabs open is brainrot. I employ a strict limit of about a dozen, not because I'm worried about the RAM usage, but because I don't want to train myself to think like a scatterbrained ADHD idiot with thirty unfinished tasks in the back of my mind. That's the real danger, not OOM.

The only thing I max out is my RAM, too many tabs. I really thought 64GB would be enough but I've had OOM killer kill Firefox multiple times this week.

interesting, I cant get firefox to keep running good enough to get it to use that amount of ram. it uses around ~10GB on its own and by that time its already so hung up and broken I have to go over to about:unloads and clear some stuff, maybe kill some and let it restore through about:performance as well. I do recall some memory leaks I've run into in the past that make it ping to OOM regardless of your memory, but I havent had those in a while since quite some versions ago.

this is all without any tab specific addons and around just under 10k unloaded tabs. the most annoying thing is firefox doesnt run a hair better on this machine (64 threads, 120gb ram) than it did on the previous 6 core 16gb ram one, it just refuses to use more resources and seems to hang itself up internally contantly.

the modern web and its browsers are truly a never ending downward spiral of terribly made and running garbage

This post has been edited by cate_chan: Nov 17 2024, 22:35

I do recall some memory leaks I've run into in the past that make it ping to OOM regardless of your memory, but I havent had those in a while since quite some versions ago.

Interesting. Had a memory leak not too long ago. Closing that single tab freed up 4 or 5GB. Doesn't happen too often though.

this is all without any tab specific addons and around just under 10k unloaded tabs.

At least with FF it's possible to have that many tabs since it'll start scrolling after a while. You're still able to see the favicon and part of the name of the page you're on. Not so much with Chromium-based browsers. You either use grouping or you're forced to close them after a while. Unless you're using vertical tabs, but, like, no... please...

you can also change settings so that firefox never shrinks tabs horizontally and they just start scrolling when you have too many to display at full width

Doubled my RAM and it feels kinda good to just set my server memory allowance to an obscenely big number then forget about it and still have enough RAM to run ableton and some simulator game with extra to spare. Can't believe I got 64G with half of what I paid for 16G a few years ago.

Doubled my RAM and it feels kinda good to just set my server memory allowance to an obscenely big number then forget about it and still have enough RAM to run ableton and some simulator game with extra to spare. Can't believe I got 64G with half of what I paid for 16G a few years ago.

I kinda of want to increase my ram, but its a bit of a shit show to find kits with low latency potential.

My current 3600mhz CL14(14 - 14 -14 - 28) kit is pretty decent but only 16gb.