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3dfx Voodoo3 framebuffer versus VGA capture. From my own hardware.
I see why people argued about the quality of this card a lot, it's a marked difference between what you get with "print screen" and what actually shows on the screen, thanks to the DAC.
Framebuffer
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VGA
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This post has been edited by Moonlight Rambler: Aug 26 2024, 03:52

3dfx Voodoo3 framebuffer versus VGA capture.

How do you find getting that working? I found it a bit fiddly back in the day. Would you get a Voodoo 5 6000?
They are a bit pricey though.



I finally got my Samsung surround working properly... Thanks to a post on guide on a random review site. Its like they wanted it to be hard to get working 100%.

edit: Sounds great now.. the problem is that it couldn't dolby properly without all the settings being on the right mode and you need to connect everything to the app or its nerfed to downmixing...

I mean... its one way to push their app... but super pointless if you don't tell people you need the app or things no longer speak to each other properly.

This post has been edited by EsotericSatire: Aug 26 2024, 09:04

I'd get a voodoo5 if i could get lucky and get one cheap or free. My Voodoo3 was free around 12 years ago. But I don't feel too pressured to upgrade.

The game, FF7, was quite fiddly. I wasn't able to get it working properly at all with the built in ATI Rage Pro """"Turbo"""" GPU at all. Backgrounds were all corrupted as hell. Slotting the Voodoo3 in fixed everything immediately after I installed a driver for it.

If you meant getting the Voodoo3 working, though, it wasn't too hard. Was annoying to mount because my Gateway PC uses a special bracket and was trying to force people to buy GPU upgrades through them (and they only sold ATI GPU's). I had to break off a little perforated section of the PCB with no components on it that was meant for TV-Out if I'd had a higher model of Voodoo3 (I have a 2000).

I feel like maybe I did need to use a slightly older revision voodoo3 driver to get everything stable, but it's been a long time (over a year) since I was installing the driver for it so I could be confusing it with the Sound Blaster Live card's drivers.

This post has been edited by Moonlight Rambler: Aug 26 2024, 19:21

If you meant getting the Voodoo3 working, though, it wasn't too hard. Was annoying to mount because my Gateway PC uses a special bracket and was trying to force people to buy GPU upgrades through them (and they only sold ATI GPU's). I had to break off a little perforated section of the PCB with no components on it that was meant for TV-Out if I'd had a higher model of Voodoo3 (I have a 2000).

I think I was getting confused with glide wrappers for non-voodoo cards. With stable drivers the Voodoo3 does great for games that supported it.



My sound system is great now, just there is a very specific way to set it up for UHDs/dolby.. Different to the original and many guides. My conspiracy theory brain thinks that Samsung fucked the setup up on purpose either to force people into using the app for data collection or convince people to update to the latest and greatest system like the Q990D.

The problem is my current system under so many configurations automatically down-mixes the dolby audio and then the surround sounds turd. It doesn't tell you as well. I was tempted to get the Q990D before I managed to find a proper guide buried on a random tech site.

Would Samsung deliberately fuck a product up in order to sell new products?

I ordered a new monitor. Asus ROG Swift PG32UCDP.
God damn these 4K OLEDs are expensive, but it's not like I found any noticably cheaper alternatives and this one's supposed to be the new and improved.

if 4k monitors are expensive, idk, maybe don't buy a 4k monitor

I will never buy OLED, but since microled seems a decade away (if ever), QDEL/nanoLED might to be the way to go in the near future.

Some info on it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eONWY3kbZc0

This post has been edited by -terry-: Aug 29 2024, 15:46

I will never buy OLED, but since microled seems a decade away (if ever), QDEL/nanoLED might to be the way to go in the near future.

Some info on it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eONWY3kbZc0

Something is always in the future. After getting one OLED device I'm never buying a non-OLED display again (until a better technology comes along).

if 4k monitors are expensive, idk, maybe don't buy a 4k monitor

Or, or, I can just buy the expensive monitor I want. Just noting that it's about a 1000€ or 3x price hike from a similar IPS monitor that also has all the "gamer" features (high refresh rate etc.) which is pretty wild. The difference in price at 1440p is about ~1.5x-2x.

Or, or, I can just buy the expensive monitor I want. Just noting that it's about a 1000€ or 3x price hike from a similar IPS monitor that also has all the "gamer" features (high refresh rate etc.) which is pretty wild. The difference in price at 1440p is about ~1.5x-2x.

Burn-in is a feature of OLED.

yeah, in my experience the burn in is also quite strong
i've had bad plasma screens with worse burn-in but good quality plasma screens burn in less than the OLED's I've got, and crt's are also quite a bit more tolerant than oled.

The clock display on my parents' one year old oven is OLED; I can tell because they have it set on 12 hour time so the leftmost seven segment digit's left hand side is significantly brighter when activated.
Sure, computer displays aren't on 24/7 like that usually, but it's still ridiculous how fast they degrade compared to other technologies.

My favorite part is the white balance drifting warmer over time since the blue degrades faster.

This post has been edited by Moonlight Rambler: Aug 30 2024, 06:24

yeah, in my experience the burn in is also quite strong
i've had bad plasma screens with worse burn-in but good quality plasma screens burn in less than the OLED's I've got, and crt's are also quite a bit more tolerant than oled.

Yeah the golden last gens of Plasma TVs are still going. More than 10 years and still going great. The burn in resistance and correction facilities were great.

I suppose for a computer you could use a dark theme.

for my PC i just use a Dell U2410 wide-ish gamut IPS screen and a u2412m which is pretty close to sRGB.

The U2410 in particular is brilliant, mine's not got many hours on its CCFL which helps. Just over two months of power on time. I got the U2412m new in around 2015 and it uses an LED backlight; it's still a nice monitor too even if the U2410 steals the show.

Burn-in is a feature of OLED.

I've heard about it, but I don't know how bad it is in practice. Of course they all advertise their new "anti burn-in technologies", but who knows how much any of that makes a difference. It's a WOLED so idk if that makes a difference either. Getting one of the newest generation was important to me exactly for this purpose those, because like plasmas I figure they've gotta improve that over time.

What makes me not want to buy a non-OLED anymore are the blacks. I can't go back. I can't not be bothered how the blacks on my IPS monitors are light gray. I know they always were, but it didn't use to bother me so much until I got used to looking at an OLED display. Now, when I watch a youtube video at night and it ends on that all-black screen and it lights up the entire room like a dim white screen... that is the #1 problem our country is facing right now.

I don't even care so much about the color accuracy, it's the whole display being lit up that ruins my immersion in dark scenes. My eyes can adjust to different color temperatures (I even use f.lux most of the time) but they can't ignore the existence of all that white light.

Of course 1500€ for a piece of rapidly degrading technology is... not the way I like to spend my money either. I like to buy stuff that lasts a long time in general, regardless of what it is. But like I said, the cheapest 4K OLED I could find was only 50€ less. I figure I bite the bullet once and if the burn-in truly is an issue then, well, lesson learned.

At least the woled OLED degrades the slowest for PC monitors.

having the time of my life with the tiny laptop, even though the hardware is slightly oddware to the point of not having a working modeset driver in the regularly shipped kernel.
its compiling the (hopefully better) kernel between my arms while I computer at the moment, might be good for winter to warm my hands



edit: it has been compiling for an hour, I dont think it'd survive this on battery
edit2: it ran out of space since it default builds packages in /tmp, compiling again
edit3: done, it took 5 hours, will distcc next time

This post has been edited by cate_chan: Aug 31 2024, 22:51

I've heard about it, but I don't know how bad it is in practice. Of course they all advertise their new "anti burn-in technologies", but who knows how much any of that makes a difference. It's a WOLED so idk if that makes a difference either. Getting one of the newest generation was important to me exactly for this purpose those, because like plasmas I figure they've gotta improve that over time.

What makes me not want to buy a non-OLED anymore are the blacks. I can't go back. I can't not be bothered how the blacks on my IPS monitors are light gray. I know they always were, but it didn't use to bother me so much until I got used to looking at an OLED display. Now, when I watch a youtube video at night and it ends on that all-black screen and it lights up the entire room like a dim white screen... that is the #1 problem our country is facing right now.

I don't even care so much about the color accuracy, it's the whole display being lit up that ruins my immersion in dark scenes. My eyes can adjust to different color temperatures (I even use f.lux most of the time) but they can't ignore the existence of all that white light.

Of course 1500€ for a piece of rapidly degrading technology is... not the way I like to spend my money either. I like to buy stuff that lasts a long time in general, regardless of what it is. But like I said, the cheapest 4K OLED I could find was only 50€ less. I figure I bite the bullet once and if the burn-in truly is an issue then, well, lesson learned.

if you ever used CRT's those can have a true black. So you already did go back.

if you ever used CRT's those can have a true black. So you already did go back.

Well yeah, but hasn't all of 2000s been a race to get back to what we already had with CRTs only in a smaller form factor?
I had a 100Hz screen in like... 1997? And the image quality looked a hell of a lot better than the first decade of "TFTs" after that. Not to mention it could actually scale resoluitions without looking like porridge!

Altho the blacks on my Deck are definitely "blacker" than my CRTs could ever manage. Maybe some lavishly expensive pro models could pull off something similar, but when I play games like Hollow Knight or Metroid etc. (games with black borders around the screen) on the OLED Deck in a dark room, it looks like the characters are floating in mid-air. The black parts of the screen are indistinguishable from the edges where the display has been replaced by plastic. A black loading screen looks exactly like the display being turned off, only with a little icon spinning in darkness. It's... actually black. No more comparing which monitor has the least grayish blacks or the least backlight bleed. Black is just the absence of light, like it is in the real world.
It's a really cool effect and honestly something that highlights how much we've all been coping and relying on our eyes and brain to "forget about it" for us when watching TV or using computers all these years. OLED blacks are the way displays should've always been.

Well yeah, but hasn't all of 2000s been a race to get back to what we already had with CRTs only in a smaller form factor?

It's a really cool effect and honestly something that highlights how much we've all been coping and relying on our eyes and brain to "forget about it" for us when watching TV or using computers all these years. OLED blacks are the way displays should've always been.

Plasma's had great blacks but did not have the peak brightness. OLEDs only caught up to Plasma's in about 2021.

My Neo-QLED does pretty well for black and great for other colors. The issue is models lower than the flagships are kinda shite for blacks as they cheap out on the discrete deeming zones, sometimes thousands down to hundreds.


I was just reading reviews of ultra thin edge lit LCD TVs / monitors, once they go below a certain width they basically have a near 100% fail rate within a rather small time span. Some models start dying within a few months. Dang. They are literally designed to last the one year warranty period, then you need to buy a new one.

All Manufacturers: You wanted cheap and thin, not long lasting.

[arstechnica.com] https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2024/08/thi...lit-backlights/

Plasma's had great blacks but did not have the peak brightness. OLEDs only caught up to Plasma's in about 2021.

My Neo-QLED does pretty well for black and great for other colors. The issue is models lower than the flagships are kinda shite for blacks as they cheap out on the discrete deeming zones, sometimes thousands down to hundreds.
I was just reading reviews of ultra thin edge lit LCD TVs / monitors, once they go below a certain width they basically have a near 100% fail rate within a rather small time span. Some models start dying within a few months. Dang. They are literally designed to last the one year warranty period, then you need to buy a new one.

All Manufacturers: You wanted cheap and thin, not long lasting.

[arstechnica.com] https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2024/08/thi...lit-backlights/

Yeah plasmas were pretty ahead of their time. I remember thinking that back then too, but they were never going to beat out LCDs a quarter of the price in a market where most customers were just wanted "a thin TV". Maybe cared enough to get at least an "HD Ready" one so they could read the menu text in their 360 games.

I don't usually soyjack over new technologies. I don't read reviews unless I have to, don't follow the news or the tech youtube channels because I really just don't give a shit. I knew about OLEDs having a reputation for good blacks but I assumed it was just the usual marketing talk. Maybe a bit better than the previous technology. I'd seen them in stores but it didn't really register in a lit display room. Not even after watching videos about the OLED Deck specifically. I honestly ordered it primarily for the better battery life and thermals and some other minor improvements, the OLED screen was just something that's "probably not bad".
It wasn't until I got to play with one on my own in a dark room that I realized "Holy heck. This isn't just another minor improvement. This is an actual leap in technology." It's been a while since I felt that way about anything.

Helped someone get their Atari 800 working.
The RAM slot needed reseating. That's all.