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windows isn't directly responsible for the problem, although microsoft did have a mechanism they could have used differently that could have prevented it. If they required all drivers to be submitted to them for QC'ing before letting them get signed, this would not have happened. Windows already requires all drivers to be signed digitally by a microsoft-supplied key.

That said I will gladly spread misinformation if it makes Windows look unattractive to someone

I assume you're talking about the video by Gamers Nexus where they listed the problems and possible causes?

I had wanted to go for Intel in my new PC build, but the way they're refusing to say or do anything about this issue is making me lose confidence in them. If Intel can't even acknowledge and fix the problems facing the 13th and 14th gen right now, how can consumers be confident about getting Arrow Lake or Bartlett Lake CPUs next year without worrying if their expensive CPUs will die within months?

I've been an Intel user ever since I got my first PC, a 486. But I think I'll go for AMD until Intel gets their shit together, if ever.

tbh i've seen pretty new AMD CPU's die totally randomly, too. I think this problem will keep getting worse as the manufacturing processes and chip feature sizes get smaller.
But yeah if intel actually had contamination issues, that'd exacerbate the issue a lot.

It'd be cool if i could find a 486 DX4 with write-back cache, mine's got write-through.

This post has been edited by Moonlight Rambler: Jul 21 2024, 20:46

[www.tomshardware.com] https://www.tomshardware.com/software/windo...wdstrike-outage

That's simply wonderful!

tbh i've seen pretty new AMD CPU's die totally randomly, too. I think this problem will keep getting worse as the manufacturing processes and chip feature sizes get smaller.
But yeah if intel actually had contamination issues, that'd exacerbate the issue a lot.

It'd be cool if i could find a 486 DX4 with write-back cache, mine's got write-through.

Yeah some top end AMD processors at high voltage limits had a hotspot issue which was a combo of power limit and sensor issues. It was near completely mitigated by bios and micro code updates.

It is a similar issue to the intel problems, where mobos were pushing too much voltage and the CPU internal safeties were allowing voltages beyond spec. For intels case however it seems that the fix did not stop CPUs failing, its just higher voltages make problems appear sooner.


Its almost like a fast burn vs a slow burn problem.

So Intel has just released a statement saying that they (supposedly) found out the cause of the instability problems, a faulty microcode that causes Raptor Lake CPUs to draw higher voltages beyond the safe limits. It's going to issue an update by August to hopefully fix this.

TBH, this announcement still has me on the fence about going between AMD or Intel. Dunno know if this patch will be the cure, or if it's just a band-aid that will only slow down the degradation. Gonna wait and see.

the only sure way to avoid such messups is to never buy anything new, which has worked great for my hardware. luckily I'm still 10+ years removed from current hardware so theres plenty of safe upgrades if I ever wish to upgrade.

the only sure way to avoid such messups is to never buy anything new, which has worked great for my hardware. luckily I'm still 10+ years removed from current hardware so theres plenty of safe upgrades if I ever wish to upgrade.

exactly the same here.

so after looking at random interesting trackballs on ebay one of the listings made mean offer I couldnt afford to not take (5 dollars off already cheap kensington slimblade). currently using a logitech trackman marble mouse, the original one.
bigger ball and flatter shape seems nice, the marble mouse is somewhat awkard at times with its shape and buttons at times

any opinions/thoughts here regarding trackballs? have them? want them? hate them? love them?
I think they're pretty ideal if you're doing non mouse heavy computer work

This post has been edited by cate_chan: Jul 27 2024, 19:38

Redbox just died and took everyone's purchased streaming collections with it.
Similar to ultra violet, Flixter, and Sony removing people's digital collections.

I first experienced it years ago, where I had a digital license collection with a streaming service here. They just closed down the content contract and everyone lost their collection.

It has people talking about piracy being required. I only just downloaded some old series but I used to legitimately own a license for them.

so after looking at random interesting trackballs on ebay one of the listings made mean offer I couldnt afford to not take (5 dollars off already cheap kensington slimblade). currently using a logitech trackman marble mouse, the original one.
bigger ball and flatter shape seems nice, the marble mouse is somewhat awkard at times with its shape and buttons at times

any opinions/thoughts here regarding trackballs? have them? want them? hate them? love them?
I think they're pretty ideal if you're doing non mouse heavy computer work

i prefer pointing sticks but trackballs are good. Thumb operated ones are not very fun but the fingertip kinds are nice.

Just got a free macintosh quadra 650 that I'm going to try to repair. It has battery leakage. Hopes aren't very high but it'd be cool if i can get it working since it's got a 68040 CPU (with working FPU). Came with keyboard, mouse, monitor, and floppies. No internal CD drive but it uses SCSI and i have an external plextor CD-ROM drive (which uses caddies!) that'll hopefully work.
Corrosion damage isn't super awful but I'm going to have to at a minimum remove the soldered-down ram to clean under it and also replace some RAM slots with NOS ones that aren't corroded. And replace the non-soldered-down RAM stick.

Corrosion damage is nowhere near as bad as on my Amiga 500's RAM expansion board, and the acid didn't get to any of the really fine-pitched pin IC's, so i think maybe there's reason to have at least some hope. The traces are fucking tiny though, which means easy to mess up. and it's a lot of surface mount ram to properly remove…

almost all the capacitors on the board seem to be tantalum types, so unless they explode the moment I give them power the capacitors are probably not going to become an issue very soon.
If I fail the repair (rather likely) at least I'll have a monitor, case, and peripherals, so I can just wait until i've got money and try to land a replacement board.

This post has been edited by Moonlight Rambler: Jul 28 2024, 08:32

The backup power battery took out so many of the old Macs.

The backup power battery took out so many of the old Macs.

I think mine might maybe be rescuable. But desoldering the RAM IC's is going to be a nightmare since I don't have money for a hot air station right now.

Thumb operated ones are not very fun but the fingertip kinds are nice.

Big agree on the thumb ones, my thumb hurts just looking at it.

I think mine might maybe be rescuable. But desoldering the RAM IC's is going to be a nightmare since I don't have money for a hot air station right now.

it honestly might not be too horrible with just some wick, I've never had much luck with hot air on older boards to begin with due to how easily traces start to lift. one day I'll convince myself I need a proper desoldering station with suction, but unless I have to do hundreds some wick isnt all too bad. the few times I did replace something instead of ruining it on old digital clocks or amps the wick was good enough

This post has been edited by cate_chan: Jul 29 2024, 20:32

Intel 13/14th gen is such a fucking shitshow.

Intel 13/14th gen is such a fucking shitshow.

Seems it can be mitigated to an extent with bios update and using the right bios settings but people's chips might just fail, especially at the top end skus.



Man, some 4K UHDs are awesome, and some are complete garbage even worse than the Bluray. Seems you have to look up the process they used and specs of the movie

-Is it a film restoration, or upscale from digital 2k?
-Is it remastered in SDR / HDR / Dolby Vision / or just a new color grading
-Does it have original grain, DNR, Digitial grain, or AI grain?
- Disc size (50gb, 66gb, 100gb, or multiple disks)
- Studio / Publisher / Director putting out the 4k (some give shits and some only want money)

So now we have to look up which ones are considered the new reference, and ones that are shit upscales.

Seems it can be mitigated to an extent with bios update and using the right bios settings but people's chips might just fail, especially at the top end skus.

As far as I can tell, my 14900K has no instability issue whatsoever. Kinda surprising given that its VID table indicates it's a massive piece of shit. I lost the silicon lottery hard.

I undervolted it by -0.08v right out of the box, so that's probably what kept it from exploding. Although I forgot to turn on the sensible power limits and ran it for like 6 months, I would be surprised if it hasn't silently degraded in some way.

I can't risk it crashing on me all of a sudden, nor do I really have the time to deal with RMA at this moment, so I downclocked it to just basically 12900K specs (6.0 GHz --> 5.2 GHz). Maybe I will bump it back up whenever they release the microcode "fix", what is certain is that I am not fucking buying another Intel chip for the next 10 years. AMD screwed me over in the past and I boycotted them for ~10 years, it's only fair that I give Intel the same treatment.

It's fucking retarded really. These chips should be working perfectly fine without the user tinkering the BIOS settings.

It seems as long you locked multiplier in bios yourself, you should be good and have no degradation from the high voltage peaks. I've seen no degradation in almost 1.5 years.

As far as I can tell, my 14900K has no instability issue whatsoever. Kinda surprising given that its VID table indicates it's a massive piece of shit. I lost the silicon lottery hard.

I undervolted it by -0.08v right out of the box, so that's probably what kept it from exploding. Although I forgot to turn on the sensible power limits and ran it for like 6 months, I would be surprised if it hasn't silently degraded in some way.

Intel: "The old relationship between power, temp and longevity of chips no longer applies due to better sensors and safe guards."

If you are undervolting your chip (no longer the automatic settings) and its operating below 60oC it will probably still last 10 years. Apart from manufacturing issues, they are also pumping huge voltage and allowing high temps to squeeze out performance especially on some of the default and auto settings. They also turned a blind eye to mobo manufacturers also pushing voltage thermal limits.

I think the big issue is that people expect the default and auto settings to be safe.

It's fucking retarded really. These chips should be working perfectly fine without the user tinkering the BIOS settings.

For me it was a bit of shit show with AMD. It shipped with quite a few issues with the microcode, but then with ASUS I needed to wait 1-2 months after they released a new bios because their bios releases were bricking boards and burning chips.

Asus in their wisdom also decided to cut costs and not have a proper bios reset button and no dual bios feature on a premium board....

So if I had installed one of their bad bios releases I'd need to RMA, and if I ever need to reset the mobo due to an overclocking issue or some other issue, I have to partially disassemble my computer.

I don't think I will build a water cooled ITX board again. I have quick disconnects but its still a pain in the ass fitting everything back together as in some places there is only 1-2mm of tolerance / gaps for fitting things together.

I think it was the first premium ASUS mobo I've had where I was like 'huh, why did they remove standard features all over the place???"


Some of the auto and default settings for voltages were stupid high, that I only recognized because I used to build computers and tune them for people. I saw some and thought 'won't that severely decrease my CPU and RAM longevity let alone have heat stability issues!?"

It seems as long you locked multiplier in bios yourself, you should be good and have no degradation from the high voltage peaks. I've seen no degradation in almost 1.5 years.

I'm not even sure that's gonna make it fine considering some 13/14th gen 65W chips are dying as well. Some of them apparently ran at low voltage I think.

What I did is probably an extreme measure. Running at 5.5 GHz keeps the voltage below 1.4v 99% of the time, but I set it to just 5.2 GHz for below 1.3v. Doesn't really make too much of a difference in my practical use cases, except for some CPU-heavily games.

Still, I feel like a retard for turning a current i9 into an i5.

If you are undervolting your chip (no longer the automatic settings) and its operating below 60oC it will probably still last 10 years. Apart from manufacturing issues, they are also pumping huge voltage and allowing high temps to squeeze out performance especially on some of the default and auto settings. They also turned a blind eye to mobo manufacturers also pushing voltage thermal limits.

Stress testing it can go to 70c, but that's prime95 we are talking about. Most of the time it's hoovering around the 65c point. Not ideal, but not a furnace at the very least.

I think the big issue is that people expect the default and auto settings to be safe.

Donno. I wouldn't really blame people for expecting the default to be the safe conservative option. I remember running your chips at stupid voltage/clock was on an "opt-in" basis, rather than "opt-out".

Planned obsolescence maybe? We shall burn your chip for you, so you will never stop spending more money on us!

For me it was a bit of shit show with AMD. It shipped with quite a few issues with the microcode, but then with ASUS I needed to wait 1-2 months after they released a new bios because their bios releases were bricking boards and burning chips.

Asus in their wisdom also decided to cut costs and not have a proper bios reset button and no dual bios feature on a premium board....

So if I had installed one of their bad bios releases I'd need to RMA, and if I ever need to reset the mobo due to an overclocking issue or some other issue, I have to partially disassemble my computer.

I don't think I will build a water cooled ITX board again. I have quick disconnects but its still a pain in the ass fitting everything back together as in some places there is only 1-2mm of tolerance / gaps for fitting things together.

I think it was the first premium ASUS mobo I've had where I was like 'huh, why did they remove standard features all over the place???"
Some of the auto and default settings for voltages were stupid high, that I only recognized because I used to build computers and tune them for people. I saw some and thought 'won't that severely decrease my CPU and RAM longevity let alone have heat stability issues!?"

I usually cheap out on the mobo. This time I decided to go a bit nuts and got their Dark Hero Z790. Can't say I am too impressed by the constant need to update my BIOS, or the fact that they are using "we have an error code display!" as a selling point.

Though considering my 14900K still doesn't exhibit any crashing issue (except when I was trying to run 6.0 GHz @ 1.35V), maybe the mobo is worth the price after all? I don't know, seems like nobody knows what is really going on, and Intel is either being absolutely incompetent, or just hiding something big.

or the fact that they are using "we have an error code display!" as a selling point.

I remember when it used to be standard on mid range or even lower boards.

ordered some new (second hand bargains) stuff to go from 2012 of my current era hardware to mostly 2016 since the ddr4 prices seem reasonable now. time will tell how bad the horrors of this era are.
went by most alive remaining hardware of the time, threadripper boards nowhere to be seen, some ryzen but theres a lot of gens and I dont know about which work with which and I know many people had issues. ended up settling on the large amount of ebay supermicro epyc boards. at the very least they survived plenty which should mean something.

in general cant really stand any of the 'prosumer' 'gamer' editions a lot of the boards tend to go these days, and I'm very happy with my bodged in supermicro xeon setup in actual server. good hopes for it not turning into a giant mess and headache setting it up and getting it to play nice with my stuff

This post has been edited by cate_chan: Aug 1 2024, 20:20