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post Jul 7 2024, 10:46
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learn computer architecture
it's technically possible to write an OS without using any assembly or machine code directly. If you don't want to learn any assembly your OS will be slow and suck (though tbh it's probably going to suck anyway, programming an actually good multitasking OS that can do what people expect of it takes massive amounts of time) but C is your next best bet.
Some people program NES games and stuff to get a feel for assembly.
x86 is a dumpster fire of an instruction set though.
I like Motorola 68000 but it's a pretty near dead instruction set now.
If targeting a RISC, POWER (PowerPC) or MIPS are my picks. There's also RISC/V but that suffers from some x86 and ARM brain damage.

If you are asking these kinds of questions though, I get the feeling you have no idea what kind of hell you're in for if you are serious about making an actually usable OS. You will learn a lot though.

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post Jul 7 2024, 13:51
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QUOTE(Striferuka @ Jul 7 2024, 05:12) *

I need to learn more coding so I can build my own OS. This stuff around here today is crap. Do I have to start with Assembly or where do I even start...
depending on your actual goal you could loosen your definition of 'own os' to just own flavor of linux and mess around with lfs. you'd still get to finetune everything from how the kernel is compiled to the userspace programs and tools. possibly a bit more realistic than the entire thing from scratch without any experience.

it'd also solve the main issue with something entirely new which is 0 program availability. a linux would probably be the best inbetween of having the option to do nearly everything yourself or different but also have a large assortment of working programs.
unless your goal was one of those very minimal operating systems where at most you can just get in and maybe get a text editor/calculator etc, there isnt really a lot of information to go from here

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post Jul 7 2024, 14:13
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the currently worst thing they're doing is license related.
you're in the fifth iteration of the management environment, you have finally found the toggle, but it doesnt apply because your company has business pro and not enterprise



Yeah I think at my workplaces they have only used Enterprise for ages.


I just looked up they now have two versions of Enterprise though?! Its just painful.
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post Jul 7 2024, 18:40
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33 out of 50 galleries on the front page today have "[AI Generated]" in their titles
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post Jul 8 2024, 06:29
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33 out of 50 galleries on the front page today have "[AI Generated]" in their titles
I hate this


You can use my tags and set a negative threshold to remove all of the AI galleries from your results.
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post Jul 8 2024, 06:59
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QUOTE(Moonlight Rambler @ Jul 7 2024, 10:46) *

learn computer architecture
it's technically possible to write an OS without using any assembly or machine code directly. If you don't want to learn any assembly your OS will be slow and suck (though tbh it's probably going to suck anyway, programming an actually good multitasking OS that can do what people expect of it takes massive amounts of time) but C is your next best bet.
Some people program NES games and stuff to get a feel for assembly.
x86 is a dumpster fire of an instruction set though.
I like Motorola 68000 but it's a pretty near dead instruction set now.
If targeting a RISC, POWER (PowerPC) or MIPS are my picks. There's also RISC/V but that suffers from some x86 and ARM brain damage.

If you are asking these kinds of questions though, I get the feeling you have no idea what kind of hell you're in for if you are serious about making an actually usable OS. You will learn a lot though.


C probably better for OS while C++ is more tailored for other simpler software I guess but you can make OS on C++ as well. What would be better? For C++ is more flexible both in programming and result. C probably takes more time and are less flexible in getting results and programming. Only recently come across C#. This probably sounds like I dont have a clue what I'm talking about but what you think about different C lang? For OS building that is. Maybe all 3 of them. Not sure what would give better result. Maybe I take the assembly route but yes that takes time. So much text for so little.
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post Jul 8 2024, 09:26
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QUOTE(Striferuka @ Jul 8 2024, 00:59) *
C probably better for OS while C++ is more tailored for other simpler software I guess but you can make OS on C++ as well. What would be better? For C++ is more flexible both in programming and result. C probably takes more time and are less flexible in getting results and programming. Only recently come across C#. This probably sounds like I dont have a clue what I'm talking about but what you think about different C lang? For OS building that is. Maybe all 3 of them. Not sure what would give better result. Maybe I take the assembly route but yes that takes time. So much text for so little.
Don't use C++ to write an OS.
Don't use C++ in general if you care about performance or want anyone else to contribute to your codebase.
It's practically impossible to maintain C++ you didn't write, because no two people do things the same way with it.
And C# is nothing like C at all, it runs in an interpreted/virtual environment like Java does. The name C# is a lie.

If you want your OS to be self-hosting, meaning you can use your OS to compile itself, you will also need to port a C++ compiler. Good fucking luck with that. It's an enormous specification. C is comparatively quite simple.
Microsoft calls the Windows API a "C++ API" but it's pretty much entirely normal C, which happens to be able to be compiled by a C++ compiler because C++ is a superset of C (C with a bunch of garbage bolted on).

I suggest C because it will be easier to adapt to new hardware than assembly. You could also mix some assembly with your C but then you have to understand things like calling conventions which are a little tricky.
If you want your OS to run fast and not use much memory, don't use C++.
And C# for an OS is practically impossible without a large task force.
QUOTE(EsotericSatire @ Jul 8 2024, 00:29) *
You can use my tags and set a negative threshold to remove all of the AI galleries from your results.

i have "ai generated" filtered out in the search bar (which automatically has that exclusion written in). That's how I know 33 of 50 results were filtered out on page 1.

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post Jul 8 2024, 11:29
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Become COBOL certified then go work for the banks for big money.
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post Jul 10 2024, 07:35
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Become COBOL certified then go work for the banks for big money.

yeah that's one thing I am working on actually.
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post Jul 12 2024, 06:21
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It's one of those days. Saw someone opened an issue titled "WHERE IS THE NEW VERSION OF TUBULAR!?" on Tubular's Github repo. At first, I thought it was some rant by some random user. So I chided the OP by replying the upstream (Tubular is a fork of NewPipe) only just released new version about 4 hours go. Turns out the OP (polymorphicshade) is the repo's owner and he "laughed" at me. I woudn't expect a repo's owner to write something like "Stop being lazy and fix the issue" even if he isn't part of the dev team.
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post Jul 12 2024, 08:26
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I want more storage space. I don't even necessarily need it immediately, I just want my PC to have a lot more storage to hypothetically use the storage space. Plus, I could use it to store a really large image. I don't need a large image. But it would be something I could do.
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post Jul 12 2024, 09:04
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Not sure if 2K works for me. In some cases it looks better in others it looks too small. I guess 4k has even more of that. Maybe I should have bought curved with FHD instead.
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post Jul 12 2024, 18:48
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QUOTE(Moonlight Rambler @ Jul 7 2024, 10:46) *
your OS will be slow and suck (though tbh it's probably going to suck anyway, programming an actually good multitasking OS that can do what people expect of it takes massive amounts of time)

I once thought multitasking is like GUI, something that should be an option ran by the real OS (and not mixed with the GUI, that's how Windows started turning into...that)
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post Jul 12 2024, 19:24
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QUOTE(Striferuka @ Jul 12 2024, 09:04) *

Not sure if 2K works for me. In some cases it looks better in others it looks too small. I guess 4k has even more of that. Maybe I should have bought curved with FHD instead.
I cant go over FHD since bigger the pixel density would shrink my bitmaps into oblivion, unless I buy a tv size one. and I hate the mess that is scaling. I went with just buying more FHD screens, have 4 of them now. a really cost effective solution since these go for 10~30 bux a piece these days.

In thoughts/ramblings: I have redeemed my last poor amplifier choices and this time after my current amp had falling out on one headphone channel and later overload warning I didnt mess it up further. went around the board tapping things until I found what triggered it, had popped off solder joints on the bottom and after fixing those it was fine again. long live the cheap living room hifi amps

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post Jul 17 2024, 15:13
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After four months I finally got the new batch of coolant from EKWB.

It has way more warnings on it now. Previously it claimed to be non-toxic and biodegradable, now it will like possibly kill unborn children or someshit.

Reddit claims its the same formula, just Slovenia had lax labeling requirements in the past or something.
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post Jul 19 2024, 18:58
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QUOTE(EsotericSatire @ Jul 17 2024, 15:13) *

After four months I finally got the new batch of coolant from EKWB.

It has way more warnings on it now. Previously it claimed to be non-toxic and biodegradable, now it will like possibly kill unborn children or someshit.

Reddit claims its the same formula, just Slovenia had lax labeling requirements in the past or something.
I trust such things more when they have warnings that they'll destory every lifeform when dumped in river and should not be consumed

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post Jul 21 2024, 15:57
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Dang, intel got hit by similar problem as Boeing, with the contamination of key materials.

Potentially the Thallium oxide used was contaminated leading to oxidisation problems accelerated by high voltages.

13700/14700 and 13900/14900 series cpus are having major problems.
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post Jul 21 2024, 16:33
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QUOTE(EsotericSatire @ Jul 21 2024, 21:57) *

Dang, intel got hit by similar problem as Boeing, with the contamination of key materials.

Potentially the Thallium oxide used was contaminated leading to oxidisation problems accelerated by high voltages.

13700/14700 and 13900/14900 series cpus are having major problems.


I assume you're talking about the video by Gamers Nexus where they listed the problems and possible causes?

I had wanted to go for Intel in my new PC build, but the way they're refusing to say or do anything about this issue is making me lose confidence in them. If Intel can't even acknowledge and fix the problems facing the 13th and 14th gen right now, how can consumers be confident about getting Arrow Lake or Bartlett Lake CPUs next year without worrying if their expensive CPUs will die within months?

I've been an Intel user ever since I got my first PC, a 486. But I think I'll go for AMD until Intel gets their shit together, if ever.
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post Jul 21 2024, 16:41
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I feel the need to blame windows 10 or 11 about the Crowdstrike update but I dont know what really caused it other than what they say about an early update implemented made they whole thing crash. Would this have happened on Windows 7? Windows 95? Windows XP? Windows Vista? Whats the culplrit Windows or Crowdstrike or the way software interacts in 2024? Maybe I'm biased but I cant see this happening if it was an earlier windows.

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QUOTE(Striferuka @ Jul 21 2024, 22:41) *

I feel the need to blame windows 10 or 11 about the Crowdstrike update but I dont know what really caused it other than what they say about an early update implemented made they whole thing crash. Would this have happened on Windows 7? Windows 95? Windows XP? Windows Vista? Whats the culplrit Windows or Crowdstrike or the way software interacts in 2024? Maybe I'm biased but I cant see this happening if it was an earlier windows.


[www.tomshardware.com] https://www.tomshardware.com/software/windo...wdstrike-outage
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