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Jun 19 2024, 06:11
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EsotericSatire
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I have not used toslink in a long time. It was fantastic for a while, I am surprised it is still included so often.
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Jun 19 2024, 20:55
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Moonlight Rambler
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There's still nothing wrong with toslink, and as another bonus it is not encrypted
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Jun 22 2024, 03:36
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EsotericSatire
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QUOTE(Moonlight Rambler @ Jun 19 2024, 08:55)  There's still nothing wrong with toslink, and as another bonus it is not encrypted
Yeah interoperability between generations of tech was a pretty huge deal. I suppose when I upgraded my audio tech a decade ago it was no longer an issue but if you are using classic high end hifi then it can be a pain in the ass when something new only uses on of the new dolby or content protected digital standards. My high end dac has multiple optical inputs, I suppose that I would be quite useful if I was using as part of a HiFi setup rather than connected to a computer.
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Jun 22 2024, 14:30
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cate_chan
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QUOTE(EsotericSatire @ Jun 22 2024, 03:36)  Yeah interoperability between generations of tech was a pretty huge deal. I suppose when I upgraded my audio tech a decade ago it was no longer an issue but if you are using classic high end hifi then it can be a pain in the ass when something new only uses on of the new dolby or content protected digital standards.
My high end dac has multiple optical inputs, I suppose that I would be quite useful if I was using as part of a HiFi setup rather than connected to a computer.
I have argued with some people about why they'd ever not use toslink but I think on paper the bandwidth is limited while usb can go higher. but I dont consume any media where that would be a bottleneck. and I like the 0 interferance with just running an optical cable to amp
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Jun 22 2024, 19:57
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Moonlight Rambler
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QUOTE(cate_chan @ Jun 22 2024, 08:30)  I have argued with some people about why they'd ever not use toslink but I think on paper the bandwidth is limited while usb can go higher. but I dont consume any media where that would be a bottleneck. and I like the 0 interferance with just running an optical cable to amp
you don't need higher bandwidths than 44.1KHz stereo anyway (unless you want surround sound or something). 2 speakers, 2 ears.
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Jun 24 2024, 15:15
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EsotericSatire
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QUOTE(cate_chan @ Jun 22 2024, 02:30)  I have argued with some people about why they'd ever not use toslink but I think on paper the bandwidth is limited while usb can go higher. but I dont consume any media where that would be a bottleneck. and I like the 0 interferance with just running an optical cable to amp
For latency sensitive activities then toslink can still be better than USB. Needs a decent driver and the right software/hardware to get the latency down over USB. Unless latency goes super high, then it doesn't really affect much though can still cause stuttering. Needs low latency USB hardware and a decent driver. Majority are pretty decent now as the price has come way down and generic drivers do well, but for a while audio over USB was kinda shit after losing direct sound on XP. QUOTE(Moonlight Rambler @ Jun 22 2024, 07:57)  you don't need higher bandwidths than 44.1KHz stereo anyway (unless you want surround sound or something). 2 speakers, 2 ears.
There are advantages for mastering, and advantages for post-processing and filtering at 32 / 192khz. I think our ears do not benefit for much over 24 / 48khz. The only time I have ever heard a benefit of 24bit 96khz was incredibly well mastered classical with a symphony and a shit ton of harmonics. Majority of songs are just mastered too poorly to benefit apart from cleaner post processing and filters. The bad rap of 16bit 44.1khz is mostly due to poor mastering and cheap CD players with poor dac implementations and shite filter setups. Then the next problem was the radio noise wars and then apple itunes murdering audio quality. Its kind of funny that Apple Itunes was so shit that they resurrected the vinyl format. Cassettes almost came back but its very difficult to get good cassette players as 100% are now cheap garbage.
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Jun 24 2024, 19:42
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Moonlight Rambler
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QUOTE(EsotericSatire @ Jun 24 2024, 09:15)  For latency sensitive activities then toslink can still be better than USB. Needs a decent driver and the right software/hardware to get the latency down over USB. Unless latency goes super high, then it doesn't really affect much though can still cause stuttering. Needs low latency USB hardware and a decent driver.
Majority are pretty decent now as the price has come way down and generic drivers do well, but for a while audio over USB was kinda shit after losing direct sound on XP. There are advantages for mastering, and advantages for post-processing and filtering at 32 / 192khz. I think our ears do not benefit for much over 24 / 48khz.
The only time I have ever heard a benefit of 24bit 96khz was incredibly well mastered classical with a symphony and a shit ton of harmonics.
Majority of songs are just mastered too poorly to benefit apart from cleaner post processing and filters.
The bad rap of 16bit 44.1khz is mostly due to poor mastering and cheap CD players with poor dac implementations and shite filter setups. Then the next problem was the radio noise wars and then apple itunes murdering audio quality.
Its kind of funny that Apple Itunes was so shit that they resurrected the vinyl format. Cassettes almost came back but its very difficult to get good cassette players as 100% are now cheap garbage.
Even for classical I'm guessing the 24 bit was what mattered there, more than the higher sample rate. I'm all for recording at high sample rates, btw. Just all that needs to come out of the end of the DSP chain or whatever is 44 or 48KHz. Also XP supported DirectSound still, I think. Vista dropped and changed a bunch (they also removed the MIDI mapper, grr). This post has been edited by Moonlight Rambler: Jun 24 2024, 19:44
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Jun 24 2024, 21:25
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cate_chan
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QUOTE(EsotericSatire @ Jun 24 2024, 15:15)  Cassettes almost came back but its very difficult to get good cassette players as 100% are now cheap garbage.
They kinda did, got multiple newly made cassettes from small bandcamp bands due to lack of cost and added novelty compared to vinyl or even cd. While I have nothing close to the quality it once peaked at, thrift store dual decks arent all that bad with decent tapes. Can still get all the luxury of proper metal and cro2 support with the dolby noise reduction stuff. On my mediocre setup with surround sound amp and 5 speakers in living room I'd say its at least on par if not (slightly) better than whats going over FM or internet radio which is my usual goto. Granted my setup is a very hollow long room with speakers placed allover purely for reach running in 'all channel stereo' This post has been edited by cate_chan: Jun 24 2024, 21:29
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Jun 24 2024, 22:30
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Moonlight Rambler
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I have a decent Dolby S pioneer deck and a new old stock CT-600R (dolby B, C) that I use. No Nakamichi though. Also cassettes still suck even more than vinyl Neither deserved to come back. fucking hipsters. CD's are fine. Don't get me wrong, it's good to have tape availability for my Commodore VIC-20's tape drive and for old car stereos, but hipsters and collectors ruin everything.
This post has been edited by Moonlight Rambler: Jun 24 2024, 22:32
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Jun 25 2024, 01:33
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EsotericSatire
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QUOTE(Moonlight Rambler @ Jun 24 2024, 07:42)  Even for classical I'm guessing the 24 bit was what mattered there, more than the higher sample rate. I'm all for recording at high sample rates, btw. Just all that needs to come out of the end of the DSP chain or whatever is 44 or 48KHz.
Back at the time when I was reviewing audio, the guy that I was discussing with who was more technically minded than me, his conclusion was that it was the effort they put into the recording and mastering for a 24bit - 96khz release that mattered most. For that recording I can not remember if I did a double blind between 44.1khz and 96khz. I think in every instance I failed the double blind between 96khz and 192khz if it was the same recording / mastering. For 44.1khz vs 96khz you could hear the difference on some recordings if you focused on the resonance / harmonics of certain instruments but then you are ultra micro focusing on details and not really listening to the music. Then unless you are very familiar with the recording its difficult to pass a double blind with a new recording. So if you A-B critical listen a good 44.1khz vs 96khz enough you can pick out the micro details, especially on classical, but that is like cheating and very difficult if you have not heard the track before. For a lot of other genres the mastering / recording is too poor. Reviewing was always funny with a lot of murky practices even if you want to be completely legit. Like if the manufacturer sends you thank you gifts afterwards or if you had intended to return a review sample but then they let you keep them or buy them for a discount. Then there might be the difference between engineer's claims that are technically true but make little or no difference for humans. QUOTE(Moonlight Rambler @ Jun 24 2024, 07:42)  Also XP supported DirectSound still, I think. Vista dropped and changed a bunch (they also removed the MIDI mapper, grr).
Sorry I meant after XP, though I think it was towards the end of XP they started changing how the drivers interacted with directsound that messed up some cards. Moving onto Vista and onwards it took a while for drivers to catch up. QUOTE(cate_chan @ Jun 24 2024, 09:25)  While I have nothing close to the quality it once peaked at, thrift store dual decks arent all that bad with decent tapes. Can still get all the luxury of proper metal and cro2 support with the dolby noise reduction stuff.
Yeah you basically need to hunt for the good quality cassette players if you really wanted it. The best are overpriced on ebay now. This post has been edited by EsotericSatire: Jun 25 2024, 01:38
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Jun 25 2024, 23:51
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Moonlight Rambler
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Knew my post would get deleted. Only Shank is allowed to voice their negative opinion on AI generated images in that thread, after all. QUOTE(EsotericSatire @ Jun 24 2024, 19:33)  Yeah you basically need to hunt for the good quality cassette players if you really wanted it. The best are overpriced on ebay now. Nakamichi's Dragon was already overpriced 10+ years ago.
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Jun 26 2024, 19:47
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cate_chan
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QUOTE(Moonlight Rambler @ Jun 25 2024, 23:51)  Only Shank is allowed to voice their negative opinion on AI generated images in that thread, after all.
reminds me had to fumble my way through the intune page again today to figure out how to get rid of the copilot button microsoft shoveled into win 11 recently. it never ends with the garbage shoveling, its an active war trying to keep business machines free of this junk and thats with delayed updates except security. possibly general enough opinion to not count as pure anti ai, which I do hate being attempted to get forced in every piece of tech This post has been edited by cate_chan: Jun 26 2024, 19:49
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Jun 27 2024, 17:54
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Moonlight Rambler
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QUOTE(cate_chan @ Jun 26 2024, 13:47)  reminds me had to fumble my way through the intune page again today to figure out how to get rid of the copilot button microsoft shoveled into win 11 recently. it never ends with the garbage shoveling, its an active war trying to keep business machines free of this junk and thats with delayed updates except security. possibly general enough opinion to not count as pure anti ai, which I do hate being attempted to get forced in every piece of tech
it probably won't get deleted unless you put it in the AI hugbox thread
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Jun 28 2024, 00:43
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EsotericSatire
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Have they made windows 11 worse? I was trying to use it at work, and stuff breaks if you do not agree to the data sharing agreements.
There were also some of them that pop up and there is no way to disagree or disable, you have to accept then go find where to switch it off. Probably 90% of users are going to be forced to accept then leave it.
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Jun 28 2024, 15:04
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Moonlight Rambler
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QUOTE(EsotericSatire @ Jun 27 2024, 18:43)  Have they made windows 11 worse? I was trying to use it at work, and stuff breaks if you do not agree to the data sharing agreements.
There were also some of them that pop up and there is no way to disagree or disable, you have to accept then go find where to switch it off. Probably 90% of users are going to be forced to accept then leave it.
if you think that's bad, Google makes you write a physical letter and send it through the mail to their lawyers in california to "opt out" of their forced arbitration clause in their ToS for the fitbit "app." Discovered that while setting up my grandpa's. And I had previously thought it was bad that discord made you send an email. This post has been edited by Moonlight Rambler: Jun 28 2024, 15:05
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Jun 29 2024, 14:03
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cate_chan
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QUOTE(EsotericSatire @ Jun 28 2024, 00:43)  Have they made windows 11 worse? I was trying to use it at work, and stuff breaks if you do not agree to the data sharing agreements.
There were also some of them that pop up and there is no way to disagree or disable, you have to accept then go find where to switch it off. Probably 90% of users are going to be forced to accept then leave it.
modern windows these days only kinda works when you have it in azure ad/entra where you can turn off most stuff like that. and even then its a constant warfare of microsoft shoveling new garbage in that dont respect the old toggles and require new settings to be gone. sometimes they dont even add it ina settings template and the only way to get rid of it is by finding some indian making a blog post about what uri to manually enter to get rid of it. it'll ignore stuff set through active directory from local domain controller, it'll ignore or overwrite registry toggles, iits real pain This post has been edited by cate_chan: Jun 29 2024, 14:04
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Jul 3 2024, 12:49
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Moonlight Rambler
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Apparently .ai domain registrations made up ~10 percent of Anguilla's GDP last year
Also I want to lynch whatever landlord wannabe came up with "premium domains" as a concept. They wanted like $200 for (my name).blog, but only like $12 for (my name)s.blog. and (even more stupidly) they wanted over $1000 for (my name).sexy (per year).
Thought about buying (my name).rehab since that was cheap
This post has been edited by Moonlight Rambler: Jul 3 2024, 12:57
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Jul 6 2024, 02:17
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EsotericSatire
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QUOTE(cate_chan @ Jun 29 2024, 02:03)  modern windows these days only kinda works when you have it in azure ad/entra where you can turn off most stuff like that. and even then its a constant warfare of microsoft shoveling new garbage in that dont respect the old toggles and require new settings to be gone. sometimes they dont even add it ina settings template and the only way to get rid of it is by finding some indian making a blog post about what uri to manually enter to get rid of it. it'll ignore stuff set through active directory from local domain controller, it'll ignore or overwrite registry toggles, iits real pain
Yeah it annoys me when they start ignoring group policy settings because they have moved it to some new obscure setting that is harder to toggle or needs a specific dword to turn shit off.
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Jul 6 2024, 15:07
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cate_chan
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QUOTE(EsotericSatire @ Jul 6 2024, 02:17)  Yeah it annoys me when they start ignoring group policy settings because they have moved it to some new obscure setting that is harder to toggle or needs a specific dword to turn shit off.
the currently worst thing they're doing is license related. you're in the fifth iteration of the management environment, you have finally found the toggle, but it doesnt apply because your company has business pro and not enterprise
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Jul 7 2024, 05:12
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Ryuuou 龍王
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I need to learn more coding so I can build my own OS. This stuff around here today is crap. Do I have to start with Assembly or where do I even start...
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