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It surprised me with latest gen hardware how damn hot they run.

If I set the power curve to only allow my gfx card to boost to 1920 instead of 2000, I save like 100w. Compared to overclocking where i get 2050mhz I save 200w.

I need to update my bios as there are updates that allow finer CPU boosting behavior, the default voltage has great performance but temps are a bit high.

It surprised me with latest gen hardware how damn hot they run.

It is not so surprising, in fact its even predictable, since all component manufacturers want to get "more powerful" hardware without stopping to check consumptions and temperatures.

Besides, we are already reaching the limit of Moore's Law

It is not so surprising, in fact its even predictable, since all component manufacturers want to get "more powerful" hardware without stopping to check consumptions and temperatures.

Except that that's patently false.

The embedded, low power, and "portable computer" markets keep growing. Laptop manufacturers want efficient hardware so they can cheap out on batteries and chase the thin laptop dragon.

The Pentium D saw similar power consumption to this stuff. And I think the Pentium D was on a 130 or 65nm process.

We got awesome power savings in the late 2000's/early 2010's as a backlash against netburst and fermi and such. But it seems like to avoid actually having to re-engineer things they're just ramping up existing designs all over again. The first pentium 4's weren't terrible power-wise, but as they went to higher clocks they quickly became ridiculous. And Fermi GPU's were pretty much the same. For a while we were mitigating it by shrinking processes, but as you said that is nearly done (at least with our current CMOS processes). But there's a reason that the Maxwell is still one of nvidia's most efficient designs. It was expressly designed with that in mind. It's on the same process as Kepler was but significantly more efficient per clock.

It's possible (I HAVE NOT RESEARCHED THIS, but it is amusing to consider) that these power consumption numbers are because intel didn't really fix the speculative execution vulnerabilities, but just removed some of the speculative execution bits and made them reclock/"boost" more aggressively to compensate.

I predict by around 2025 or 2026 we'll start getting power efficiency in x86 and laptop/desktop GPU's again (if the tech bubble hasn't burst again by then).

There are even some things Intel for instance could easily do to increase efficiency; for instance, moving to a smaller scale finally. Or dumping x86 and the CISC -> RISC translation circuitry they've been forced to put in every CPU since the Pentium Pro. Or taking shit no one wants like Intel AMT off the die.

Oh yeah, also, FinFET is being used for these smaller processes now, so they don't scale the same as Planar CMOS does.

Of course, we could just decide "what we have performs well enough" and just stop improving things with regards to x86 and GPU performance. I'd be fine with that. I'm sure the market wouldn't be.

This post has been edited by dragontamer8740: Oct 12 2021, 04:15

*scratches head*

I wonder if it odes have to do with the speculative execution vulnerabilities and why they have had to release so many bios for AMD. Or just AMD really likes doing hundreds of bios updates.

Everyone hoped the next gen of Nvidia and AMD cards will be cooler but leaks so far are showing even hotter? lol.

The 1000 series Nvidia cards were amazing for performance and reduced heat. 3000 series is like the brute force version to get to the performance required. Yeah they have great performance at 600w but the temps are beyond insane. Temps are a bit insane even at stock voltages which are high.

I thought the AMD R9 295X2 would be peak voltage insanity, but it wasn't. it was rated at 500w but in practice it was between 300-400w. Nvidia 3090s are rated at 350 to 380w but in practice depending on the model, bios and settings can go to 500w+. The problem is that to get to 2100mhz stable you need insane cooling and the power limit of 600-700w.

Prices for 3090s dipped a little but then went back up? Is that due to supply chain issues? It looks like they are only supplying the higher tier models that have the highest margin.

The 3080 Ti models are retailing higher than the release 3090 models. Who knows what the super models will retail for.

This post has been edited by EsotericSatire: Oct 12 2021, 04:03

The good news? [eprints.soton.ac.uk] Over time, they might get more power efficient. That sentence probably doesn't mean what you think it does. Apparently, (nm-scale) CMOS at least becomes more energy efficient as it ages. Not sure about FinFET.

The 1000 series Nvidia cards were amazing for performance and reduced heat.

They were the first cards to shrink the manufacturing process since Kepler. They were also Nvidia's first FinFET design.

Thought: Apparently ivy bridge uses a "thermal interface material" instead of solder for connecting to the heat spreader.

I wonder how that's going to degrade. That reminds me of the PS3 Cell chips and such and therefore makes me nervous. I guess it's already outlasted a ton of PS3's at this point.

This post has been edited by dragontamer8740: Oct 12 2021, 07:20

Fucking Oi, my graphics card doesn't fit in my case. I can either buy a graphics card that's lower profile- or buy another case and power supply, and accept my desk will be more cramped. Ugh.
My card doesn't even need to be as tall as it is, the PCB stops at at bracket- it's just backplate, plastic fairing, and tips of fan blades above it.

Eddy: I remembered I have a Supermicro 645W platinum PSU. A Supermicro 731 chassis would be neat- wider but not by an insane amount and not excessively deep. My mobo is actually the one that would have shipped in an OEM built system in that case when it was new.

This post has been edited by Wayward_Vagabond: Oct 12 2021, 14:43

Thought: Apparently ivy bridge uses a "thermal interface material" instead of solder for connecting to the heat spreader.

I wonder how that's going to degrade. That reminds me of the PS3 Cell chips and such and therefore makes me nervous. I guess it's already outlasted a ton of PS3's at this point.

If it degrades you will just get slightly less thermal performance, then you can delid it and replace it with something better.

I think only extreme overclockers had issues so far.

If it degrades you will just get slightly less thermal performance, then you can delid it and replace it with something better.

I think only extreme overclockers had issues so far.

Yeah, but de-lidding is hard to do without damaging something (especially if you have never done it before, like me, and don't want to buy tools/are working on something like a PS3 with a soldered CPU). I usually break things the first couple times I try do do anything new.
For now, of course, I'm okay with how it's doing. I'm worried about in 15-30 years (assuming the transistors haven't degraded to the point of hardware failure yet; we'll see how 22nm FinFET fares).

Funnily enough, as our processes get smaller, reliability over time is [community.cadence.com] probably just going to keep getting worse. I bet my NES will still work in another 30 years (or at least the CPU; we'll see about the static RAM). But I can't say the same with certainty for <32nm scale IC's like modern CPU's. Maybe I'll want to invest in some Sandy Bridge chips...?
The early model SNESes are a special case where it seems like a couple of the IC's might not be totally insulated (or might be manufactured in such a way that they experience much faster than normal breakdown). Most near-launch SNES units I've seen are dead or have huge graphical glitches caused by either a faulty PPU (picture processing unit) or bad VRAM; not sure which yet. At least the VRAM on the SNES appears to be a special secret sauce recipe, which is why I think it could be that too.

Fucking Oi, my graphics card doesn't fit in my case. I can either buy a graphics card that's lower profile- or buy another case and power supply, and accept my desk will be more cramped. Ugh.
My card doesn't even need to be as tall as it is, the PCB stops at at bracket- it's just backplate, plastic fairing, and tips of fan blades above it.

Eddy: I remembered I have a Supermicro 645W platinum PSU. A Supermicro 731 chassis would be neat- wider but not by an insane amount and not excessively deep. My mobo is actually the one that would have shipped in an OEM built system in that case when it was new.

Could you dremel a bit of your current case out? Would that work in your instance?

This post has been edited by dragontamer8740: Oct 12 2021, 17:26

The card is physically taller than the case. I'd rather not stare at a graphics card sticking out of an angle grinder and/or portaband slot.

Found a 731 pretty cheap actually, just need to see if it's plausible to retorfit USB 3 to it's front panel.

This post has been edited by Wayward_Vagabond: Oct 12 2021, 19:31

The card is physically taller than the case. I'd rather not stare at a graphics card sticking out of an angle grinder and/or portaband slot.
Found a 731 pretty cheap actually, just need to see if it's plausible to retorfit USB 3 to it's front panel.

Bend an aluminum roadsign around the card and turn the space into a convenient side-shelf on your PC for your figurines or whatever.

(no, i am not being serious)

Also, for USB 3 ports on my old case, I just make the I/O panel the front panel and the front panel the auxilliary space. I mean, I don't burn optical discs that often, and there's more audio connectors on the I/O panel anyway.

(here I am being serious)

Thought: IDK if I ever mentioned it here, but maybe year ago I migrated my Debian install from CSM to UEFI without reinstalling. I was pretty pleased with myself. The only remnant of it now is that the disk is still using an MBR partition table, and Grub is still likely in the boot sector in addition to being in the ESP (EFI system partition).

This post has been edited by dragontamer8740: Oct 12 2021, 21:10

Pawn Stars: Mike Tyson's Punch-Out

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTA14m3Wu7s


The shill bidding scams by several of the authentication and rating agencies have come undone. In this video it shows two of the scammers, the guy that had the idea for shill bidding on video games and the quality rating agency owner and host for the auctions. In this video the friend of the rating agency calls in the rating agency owner to tell the pawn shop that the game is worth far more than it should be.

They made a ton of money through shill bidding to raise the price of video games far beyond what they should be, usually 2-4x what they were worth.

Several rating agencies got kicked off ebay for the scam. The one in this video is being investigated by authorities.

For retrogamers the problem is that it artificially raised the price of all old games, not just the 'rare' mint boxed examples. The media fell for it by reporting every time super mario or another retro game went for an absurd amount.

This has been a thing for aaaages.
Anyway, people are so fucking stupid that they'll buy it even at those prices, so it's not going to be fixed anytime soon.
(IMG:[i.imgur.com] https://i.imgur.com/DicHnzS.jpg)

I just spent way too long making a dark mode CSS for old reddit.

This post has been edited by dragontamer8740: Oct 13 2021, 01:06

This has been a thing for aaaages.
Anyway, people are so fucking stupid that they'll buy it even at those prices, so it's not going to be fixed anytime soon.
(IMG:[i.imgur.com] https://i.imgur.com/DicHnzS.jpg)

I just spent way too long making a dark mode CSS for old reddit.

This reminds me of a Spanish guy who burned 2500 euros in just one manual, the case became half popular because it was at auction for more or less 1000 dollars

Just found out MediaFire had updated their Android app. A minor one, since version remains 4.x.x and it's dated August 30th. They had let the bug that caused users unable to upload from their phones linger for 4-5 years.

This post has been edited by elda88: Oct 13 2021, 13:27

Interesting, Digikey now offers 3D printing services. Wonder how economical it is for single parts and low quantity.

Replacing a cracked screen protector and scuffed up + cracked case with fresh ones is pretty satisfying. Instant fresh phone damn near. Current case is still an Otterbox Symetry.

Just found out MediaFire had updated their Android app. A minor one, since version remains 4.x.x and it's dated August 30th. They had let the bug that caused users unable to upload from their phones linger for 4-5 years.

Just do it from a browser, lol

Interesting, Digikey now offers 3D printing services. Wonder how economical it is for single parts and low quantity.

Replacing a cracked screen protector and scuffed up + cracked case with fresh ones is pretty satisfying. Instant fresh phone damn near. Current case is still an Otterbox Symetry.

I think the value of some of the services depends on their pricing scheme and how much stuff you can cram into one print job.

USPS plausibly predicts my case and CPU will show up tomorrow. Monday seems more likely.

Going to use one of the 'hidden slot' PCI-e risers plus a mini PCI-e to full sive board, and the wifi card from the dead mobo for internet, and snag it's antennas I never bothered to properly secure inside the front bezel. Undecided exactly where/how I'll mount the wifi card. Sound card should fit under the GPU, and 'front panel audio' rear bracket the same way I did my other machine will go above it.
Got some dumb USB 3 cables cause it turns out my board provides 4, and not 5 ports- the header only has one and the A socket has the other.

This post has been edited by Wayward_Vagabond: Oct 15 2021, 20:15

Do you think a Pentium M can serve as a gaming machine from the 2000s? I have thrown a Dell with that processor along with a PowerBook and would like to use it, its supposed to be equivalent to a Pentium III

By the way, no idea what I'm going to do with the PowerBook, since the software it runs is very limited

Do you think a Pentium M can serve as a gaming machine from the 2000s?

Yes.
Source: I have one. A Dell Latitude D610.
It won't play high end games from the mid-late 2000's particularly well, but it is good enough to play many games. And if you have a desktop motherboard for one you can use an external GPU; in that case yes it is good enough.
They run cool and relatively quietly, too. Especially compared to a pentium 4.
They aren't common but they exist. You'll need their original heat sinks though; the chips have no integrated heat spreader.

I have thrown a Dell with that processor along with a PowerBook and would like to use it, its supposed to be equivalent to a Pentium III

Use it, sure.

By the way, no idea what I'm going to do with the PowerBook, since the software it runs is very limited

Give it to me.
I have and use a powerbook with debian, but if yours is a higher end one I'd like it.

This post has been edited by dragontamer8740: Oct 17 2021, 16:07