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So, I overlooked something.

While the AR5416 can in fact handle the 5GHz band speeds, in my cardbus card it is paired with an AR2122, which is a 2GHz only radio. I need an AR5122 or AR5133 radio.

There is a card with an AR5133 out there, but it appears to be exceedingly rare (there's only one on ebay right now in the states; they want $300 and it was sold with Fluke test equipment at some point). I can find no evidence of cardbus AR5122 cards even _existing_. The AR5122 is a 2x2:2 radio, where the AR5133 is a 3x3:3 radio.

Apart from that, there are very, very few devices that even have FCC ID's using them; it appears the only real source of cards will be some cards NEC and Buffalo sold in Japan at the time, so I'm going to have to pay Japan shipping if I go through with this. Fuck.

So anyway, that explains the speed difference. For $10, I still came out ahead (quadrupled my speeds), but I'm a bit upset regardless since I probably wouldn't have bought it if I'd fully realized and I likely could have had 6x the speeds with an actually dual-band card.

It still is pretty goddamn annoying that 802.11n didn't require 5GHz band support. Sure would have made this whole search a lot less frustrating.

This post has been edited by dragontamer8740: May 24 2021, 09:43

802.11ax operates in both the 2.4Ghz and 5GHz range again.

The freenode global oppers got into a fight, a bunch of them left and made a fork of freenode (libera), and people are losing their shit. My favorite channel basically dissolved- the owner changed the topic to 'moved to liberia', a day later decided to kick everybody from the channel, and it now redirects to a different one.
Not following it to another server, especially as dickish and lacking in community input the owner was.

802.11ax operates in both the 2.4Ghz and 5GHz range again.

Yes, but good luck finding a Cardbus card for that. They do not exist.

And even then, try finding any 802.11ax/802.11ac card that doesn't require firmware blobs

The freenode global oppers got into a fight, a bunch of them left and made a fork of freenode (libera), and people are losing their shit. My favorite channel basically dissolved- the owner changed the topic to 'moved to liberia', a day later decided to kick everybody from the channel, and it now redirects to a different one.
Not following it to another server, especially as dickish and lacking in community input the owner was.

I set up libera on my ZNC, but I still don't really know how worried I should be about freenode and how much is just panic.

This post has been edited by dragontamer8740: May 24 2021, 20:26

Yes, but good luck finding a Cardbus card for that. They do not exist.

And even then, try finding any 802.11ax/802.11ac card that doesn't require firmware blobs

If cardbus is the only option... USB may be easier if available.

From memory there was a hoaky m2 wifi card adapter but not sure if it ever worked. Can even find one now.

So far, I've yet to see a source that makes me think of libera as anything but a shameless fork with blackjack and hookers. All the sources I've seen are people that are part of the Opper Fite, or people that jumped on a days old network to follow the oppers. It seems only people that are mad about it are bothering to write about it.
Global ops at liberia are even giving ownership of channels to people that own the corresponding freenode one, and some of the nickerv accounts seem ti have been migrated. Freenode already has a culture of relying of global ops to do things they shouldn't have to do, libera seems to be dialing that up further?

If cardbus is the only option... USB may be easier if available.

From memory there was a hoaky m2 wifi card adapter but not sure if it ever worked. Can even find one now.

Bro, this is a computer with cardbus. Do you really think USB 3 is gonna be a thing on it?

And an adapter may work, since cardbus is a 32-bit PCI bus and PCIe bridge adapters do in fact exist. Although I'm not sure if the PCIe retrofit was ever something someone made a chip for, just the other way around.

Bro, this is a computer with cardbus. Do you really think USB 3 is gonna be a thing on it?

And an adapter may work, since cardbus is a 32-bit PCI bus and PCIe bridge adapters do in fact exist. Although I'm not sure if the PCIe retrofit was ever something someone made a chip for, just the other way around.

I said USB, as in 1, hopefully USB 2. I had computers with both at the time.

I was looking up, and the bandwidth available for cardbus isn't great. won't that limit the networking speed beyond 802.11n anyway? 133MB/s


On a distant related note, I wish I paid more for my current laptop to go one model higher for thunderbolt support.

So far, I've yet to see a source that makes me think of libera as anything but a shameless fork with blackjack and hookers. All the sources I've seen are people that are part of the Opper Fite, or people that jumped on a days old network to follow the oppers. It seems only people that are mad about it are bothering to write about it.

For background: I don’t know the Freenode community. To me, it was just a network I sometimes used to contact people.

My sources (including a friend) claim it’s not global ops versus global ops, it’s all (or most?) global ops versus Private Internet Access/London Trust Media. If (if!) that is true, I understand the ops’ actions very well. I would totally try to create a clone of my previous community in a similar way if there was a conflict between a volunteer force ("us") and a commercial company that keeps vital facts hidden ("them").

Would you like to enlighten me a bit more? What constructive things have Andrew Lee and his employees or associates done here that I am not aware of?

Freenode was all about discussing, well, free and open projects. In my opinion, tying it to a company was a bad idea to begin with; something like the Wikimedia Foundation would be far more ideal.

Of course, making it a foundation [en.wikipedia.org] would not prevent people from fighting just as well, or realizing that the network is too heavy to be funded. I have not used Libera Chat so far, but I am most curious to see how they will cope with this split.

My sources (including a friend) claim it’s not global ops versus global ops, it’s all (or most?) global ops versus Private Internet Access/London Trust Media. If (if!) that is true, I understand the ops’ actions very well. I would totally try to create a clone of my previous community in a similar way if there was a conflict between a volunteer force ("us") and a commercial company that keeps vital facts hidden ("them").

Pretty much.

I may be biased since my information source is just #vim (which was one of the first big ones to migrate to libera) and the vim mailing list. Yet, another big issue on top of the private takeover is IRCv3. And vim people are very wary of non-backward compatible overly fancy versions for "new" things. If one wanted in god faith to improve the IRC protocol he could have just written IRCv3 first and then work on its adoption. If IRCv3 would henceforth be a good protocol then it would be adopted by some and eventually by a large portion. Instead, in order to promote IRCv3 (which has not even properly started yet) the first step was to assume control over the biggest current IRC network. That is what smells more fishy than a seaside market in late afternoon.

I have no idea who Andrew Lee is, if that question was directed to me.

My apathy towards it stems from me not knowing or interacting with any globals ops in the years I've used freenode. I've seen server notices from them to time with updates on services and netsplots, but can't recall any of the nicks. I know they do backend work, deal with ddos/spam bot hordes, etc, and appreciate them in that capacitiy, I see that stuff as otherwise irrelevant to operational of a channel.

I will say the culture of freenode is different than most networks I've been on in respect to global ops. Channels tend to have short op lists, or sometimes even lack an owner entirely, and ops are generally hidden. This leads to people pestering globals to get rid of spammers or distruptive persons- instead of the channel's ops whom sould be doing that, and they actually do. They also seem to intervene in the case of the ownerless channel by acting as ops for it, or giving ownership of it to somebody.

Still seeing no reason why I should have any interest in libera. The main channel I used on freenode moved there, but I already told the owner of it in no uncertain terms to get fucked. On the below section, I might join it if freenode breaks itself to track people down.

As far as IRCv3 goes, this is my first time hearing of such a concept, but it sounds like switching the servers to a new protocol (and not keeping the old one running) would be suocide for a network, especially one with freenode's demographics. Somebody mentioned a stat of some 69k people on freenode and 15k on it's fork last night (I'm sure the majority of the latter are on both). I suppose I'll start asking around what other servers/channels people I don't wanna lose contact with are on in case they do something stupid.

I have no idea who Andrew Lee is, if that question was directed to me.

Yes, it was directed to you. If you have not heard the name, it tells me that our perspectives are vastly different and makes your frustration very much more understandable.

I will say the culture of freenode is different than most networks I've been on in respect to global ops.

As I said, I have never really hung out on Freenode, but joined (or made) channels on occasion to communicate with people I know or need to reach. The difference has not been striking to me, but I do take your word for it.

As you describe the Freenode culture, it sounds to have both advantages and disadavantages. In my opinion, it is greatly helpful if global mods bother to move in and solve the annoying "ownerless channel" problem. Then again, I think channels that do have operators should generally take care of their own business, with global ops intervening only if absolutely necessary. "Hidden owners" is a concept that sounds really weird to me. I wonder how and why it is possible that Freenode global ops have that much time on their hands, especially if the network has grown as much as Blue Penguin says.

Still seeing no reason why I should have any interest in libera.

If things are running smoothly on Freenode from your point of view and you are not really interested in the power struggle between the high-ups, I don’t see any reason either, for now. Except maybe that your privacy might be somewhat better protected on Libera in the future, but I am not savvy enough to judge that. (IRC is not what you choose if you really want to chat in private, after all.)

I suppose I'll start asking around what other servers/channels people I don't wanna lose contact with are on in case they do something stupid.

Exactly the thing I would be doing in your situation.

While those are not my primary sources, I encourage people to read the Wikipedia articles on both Libera Chat and Freenode. From those alone, it is evident that the history of Freenode is quite a mess, as is the current split.

Pretty much.

I may be biased since my information source is just #vim (which was one of the first big ones to migrate to libera) and the vim mailing list. Yet, another big issue on top of the private takeover is IRCv3. And vim people are very wary of non-backward compatible overly fancy versions for "new" things. If one wanted in god faith to improve the IRC protocol he could have just written IRCv3 first and then work on its adoption. If IRCv3 would henceforth be a good protocol then it would be adopted by some and eventually by a large portion. Instead, in order to promote IRCv3 (which has not even properly started yet) the first step was to assume control over the biggest current IRC network. That is what smells more fishy than a seaside market in late afternoon.

ewww not emacs

Also IRCv3 would probably mean I can't use xchat anymore which would make me sad.
I don't like a lot of details about hexchat.

If the gentoo channels, for instance, were indeed taken over, then yeah, I'm on board with moving away. But I also am a bit confused on this whole thing and am trying not to be overly hasty jumping to conclusions until the dust starts to settle.

This post has been edited by dragontamer8740: May 27 2021, 01:15

As far as IRCv3 goes, this is my first time hearing of such a concept, but it sounds like switching the servers to a new protocol (and not keeping the old one running) would be suocide for a network, especially one with freenode's demographics. Somebody mentioned a stat of some 69k people on freenode and 15k on it's fork last night (I'm sure the majority of the latter are on both). I suppose I'll start asking around what other servers/channels people I don't wanna lose contact with are on in case they do something stupid.

I was surprised when some people remembered me after not connecting for nearly a decade. Also surprised people still on IRC. I suppose you can pirate stuff.

I was surprised when some people remembered me after not connecting for nearly a decade. Also surprised people still on IRC. I suppose you can pirate stuff.

I actually don't do any piracy on IRC; just chat and rant

Closest I've come was when I was in a scanlation group with an IRC channel.

This post has been edited by dragontamer8740: May 27 2021, 01:30

I was surprised when some people remembered me after not connecting for nearly a decade. Also surprised people still on IRC. I suppose you can pirate stuff.

the good old 'irc is dead, long live irc!' is still going strong, minus the few communities that fragmented themselves over the recent drama.

in unrelated non dramatic thoughts I did get around to bodging that info display into my 'mediaserver' a while ago, mentioned it briefly here with i2c over vga adventures.

the good old 'irc is dead, long live irc!' is still going strong, minus the few communities that fragmented themselves over the recent drama.

in unrelated non dramatic thoughts I did get around to bodging that info display into my 'mediaserver' a while ago, mentioned it briefly here with i2c over vga adventures.

Nice to hear from you again. Glad it's working.

Today i learned I can type C-x-C-e (ctrl-x, ctrl-e) in a bash shell to edit the current command line in the program defined by the "$EDITOR" environment variable. I just inadvertently launched emacs while using C-e to move to the end of a line (btw, C-a moves to the beginning of a line).

I just learned because I accidentally did it.

I don't think I'll make a habit of it because I want to limit myself to what's portable behaviour (so I don't get frustrated in other shells). But it's kind of neat, and might be useful with long configuration lines for compiling programs and such.

Last time i used irc was to download horriblesubs eps from archive bots, i heard they died.

I used to run a channel a long time ago dumping games and was involved with some other stuffs...

At least some Palestinians have good enough internet connection for downloading via Bittorrent.