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Anyone tried or thought about using SSDs in their console?

I'd argue it's a bad idea. When I use an SSD I ensure that the OS do minimal writes to the disk (noatime mount, /var/log and similars into memory, .bash_history and similars discarded). You do not have enough control over the OS in a console todo it, it will kill the SSD pretty quick I guess.

It's 0.99$ / 0.89€ a year, it's not like you need a mortgage loan to pay for it

True. But I prefer freeware and more importantly I don't own a credit card. Carrier billing support nowhere in sight.

What am i supposed to use if wassup isn't free?

Skype, Groupme, Line, Viber, Wechat, Kakao, Telegram, FB Messenger, BB Messenger, Nimbuzz... Take your pick.

True. But I prefer freeware and more importantly I don't own a credit card. Carrier billing support nowhere in sight.
Skype, Groupme, Line, Viber, Wechat, Kakao, Telegram, FB Messenger, BB Messenger, Nimbuzz... Take your pick.

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This post has been edited by holy_demon: Mar 11 2014, 11:53

Anyone tried or thought about using SSDs in their console?

I thought about it until I read some tests and it's not big improvement so not recommended and as blue penguin mentioned it might shorten the lifespan of the SSD cause consoles are not optimized for SSD usage.

I'd argue it's a bad idea. When I use an SSD I ensure that the OS do minimal writes to the disk (noatime mount, /var/log and similars into memory, .bash_history and similars discarded). You do not have enough control over the OS in a console todo it, it will kill the SSD pretty quick I guess.

I thought about it until I read some tests and it's not big improvement so not recommended and as blue penguin mentioned it might shorten the lifespan of the SSD cause consoles are not optimized for SSD usage.

Good quality SSDs still have decent durability and wear optimization support, on Intel drives you can increase the unallocated space to significantly boost durability. The real problems is that the console only costs $400-500 and a SSD the same size as the 500gb hard drive will cost near that price lol. They have done tests with the PS4 and you only get a 10-30% increase in performance which you can also get the majority of from hybrid drives. Games loading by disk are still constrained by the Blu-ray read speed, so if you are buying games on disk a SSD is even less worthwhile.

Not really worth it, you don't get the 200-300% improvement in load speeds that you do on most newer PCs. I hate load screens on consoles compared to my computers lol.

Good quality SSDs still have decent durability and wear optimization support, on Intel drives you can increase the unallocated space to significantly boost durability. The real problems is that the console only costs $400-500 and a SSD the same size as the 500gb hard drive will cost near that price lol. They have done tests with the PS4 and you only get a 10-30% increase in performance which you can also get the majority of from hybrid drives. Games loading by disk are still constrained by the Blu-ray read speed, so if you are buying games on disk a SSD is even less worthwhile.

Not really worth it, you don't get the 200-300% improvement in load speeds that you do on most newer PCs. I hate load screens on consoles compared to my computers lol.

Yeah, It'd be nice if consoles would be faster with the SSD. Weird how all the games are installed on them but the increase is really small.
And true, little weird to pay double the price just to get minimal boost. Maybe in next generation we'll see SSD doing little more something.
Then again I don't have one for my own PC yet so console loading times are usually OK to me, but my next build will definitely have SSD this one's just 4-5 years old so I'm too lazy to just buy SSD cause then other hardware would be old as hell and slowing it down.

Yeah, It'd be nice if consoles would be faster with the SSD. Weird how all the games are installed on them but the increase is really small.
And true, little weird to pay double the price just to get minimal boost. Maybe in next generation we'll see SSD doing little more something.
Then again I don't have one for my own PC yet so console loading times are usually OK to me, but my next build will definitely have SSD this one's just 4-5 years old so I'm too lazy to just buy SSD cause then other hardware would be old as hell and slowing it down.

Well as stated by EsotericSatire, SSD are rather wacky, if you were longing for that 10-30% increase in performance then I would say to buy a enterprise SSD since that would essentially outlive you with the tiny writes does compared to a massive system they were initially designed for.
But the only problem is that you could get around 2x PS4 for the same price, so it's more it's not worth it rather than sp00ky SSD failure.

Although maybe one day we might get an onboard SSD that can store around 1TB data, those days will be glorious when it comes to speed (around 1Gb/s).

Was thinking how to wrap my head around some programming.

Although maybe one day we might get an onboard SSD that can store around 1TB data, those days will be glorious when it comes to speed (around 1Gb/s).

They do exist, integrated SSDs close to the controller that operate similar to the hybrid drives or operate as just a standalone drive. Outside of enterprises, the integrated ssds were only 25-100mb and the performance gain didn't really justify the price unless you were only using traditional drives and not better performing SSDs.


Consoles are tweaked to give maximum performance for minimum cost (including final retail price and yield). If you have overclocked on older systems, then you know that increasing certain things can actually degrade performance due to bottlenecks and other issues. I imagine the controller on the current consoles is specifically picked and tweaked to give optimum performance/cost for the expected data rates that the console usually operates at. Thats why you only get a 20-30% increase, another analogy is putting a Sata3 SSD on a computer with only a Sata2 controller, you will probably get a 20-30% increase in performance but it will only perform at half its max speed. (I actually wonder if they did do that lol).

Lol There is actually a lot of speculation that the current consoles are running with a sata 2 controller which fits the SSD performance gains pretty well. Y U NO have raid 0 option ps4! lol.

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stupid fucks at Microsoft dropping XP

That Yuunagi no Senryokugai Butai looks good even it's a photo of a digital display. The LG Pad do have a great display indeed.

I returned mine now. This model has a very common issue where the 7 backlight Leds show through (bleeding) at low screen brightness.

I went through 2 units and both had the issue.

People thinking about buying one should check carefully.

[forums.androidcentral.com] http://forums.androidcentral.com/lg-g-pad-...tom-screen.html


[forum.xda-developers.com] http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2553055

This post has been edited by N04h: Mar 15 2014, 05:35

#mcconnelling is brilliant.

I returned mine now. This model has a very common issue where the 7 backlight Leds show through (bleeding) at low screen brightness.

I went through 2 units and both had the issue.

People thinking about buying one should check carefully.

[forums.androidcentral.com] http://forums.androidcentral.com/lg-g-pad-...tom-screen.html
[forum.xda-developers.com] http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2553055

Happens to iPhones all the time.

They do exist, integrated SSDs close to the controller that operate similar to the hybrid drives or operate as just a standalone drive. Outside of enterprises, the integrated ssds were only 25-100mb and the performance gain didn't really justify the price unless you were only using traditional drives and not better performing SSDs.
Consoles are tweaked to give maximum performance for minimum cost (including final retail price and yield). If you have overclocked on older systems, then you know that increasing certain things can actually degrade performance due to bottlenecks and other issues. I imagine the controller on the current consoles is specifically picked and tweaked to give optimum performance/cost for the expected data rates that the console usually operates at. Thats why you only get a 20-30% increase, another analogy is putting a Sata3 SSD on a computer with only a Sata2 controller, you will probably get a 20-30% increase in performance but it will only perform at half its max speed. (I actually wonder if they did do that lol).

Lol There is actually a lot of speculation that the current consoles are running with a sata 2 controller which fits the SSD performance gains pretty well. Y U NO have raid 0 option ps4! lol.

Well ya, technically it's been existing for a long time (only it was ROM), I was thinking when they actually become useful for the public and not machine access only/experimental/expensive enterprise bandwagons where you can actually store something like a movie.

If i wanted to make reliable long term backups for my series/movies/music what would i use?

This post has been edited by Pillowgirl: Mar 16 2014, 16:58

external SSDs? that is, if you're not affraid to pay a small fortune for the backup media

I currently have around 15TB of stuff just in my drives.
I'm at full capacity and i can't keep buying new drives because my closet is full of raid.

I saw Fujifilm and IBM made a tape drive with 32TB capacity, i'd like that but it's not supposed to be commercial for another decade...

The most reliable type of storage is optical media like CD/DVD/BD, but i find current 100-128GB bluray capacity to be sorely lacking for my taste.
I heard about a disc that could hold several hundreds of GB's but i forgot if it was a bluray or a successor type of disc.

Then there's this,
[en.wikipedia.org] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holographic_data_storage
But probably also a decade away.

And i remember something about 3 dimensional holographic data, which would in theory give you exabytes of space and lightspeed access times, alas by then AI will have destroyed us all and hoard it for themselves.

Honorable mention to celluloid film and nano carbon tubes for possible huge storage.

This post has been edited by Pillowgirl: Mar 16 2014, 17:31

I currently have around 15TB of stuff just in my drives.

You will never watch that already, you just don't need more backups

I have 1TB HD in each of my systems and that's it. I routinely fill my HDs to the brim quite quickly (~5-6 months) and I routinely go on a cleaning spree to free up space. It's quite cathartic.
I keep the stuff I really care about (<70GB between documents, programs, music and other data) synchronized through rsync between two physically distinct systems and that's it. Whoopee for single fault assumption.
0 cost for new HDs, 0 cost for RAID, no vague sense of guilt for being a hoarder, yay